Mini Normal 2279: VGSR - GAME OVER

[DeltaWave]

I see, no explanation.

Good to know.

You just can't catch a break buddy!

[Frogsterking]

Gandhi is scum again because?

I'm pretty sure you haven't read their iso.

But both Eir and Greeting have produced very little and you appear to just believe both are town and I'm wondering what's enabled you to get those reads?

I mean, you're saying he is being manipulative and I'm just asking you to show it? Why is that so difficult?

Wisdom bomb:

“Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces”

Matthew 7:6

Do what I said or I won't explain ANYTHING to you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, I'm good not interacting with you.

[DeltaWave]

I thought you were scummy before but now I have a personal problem with you on top of that

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Personal problems are bad. You should try to sort that out.

[Gamma Emerald]

Casual reminder to avoid personal attacks and excessive toxicity. I do not feel any particular lines have been crossed yet but there’s some posts that are on the edge.

[furtiveglance]

I swear that inner procrastinator in me knows no boundaries

page 5

- Remeber how Frog called me town back in 48? Presumably it was due to his stated reason in 51 - he trusted Ausuka's read on me. Now in 109 similar story again. He calls votes me after noting in 108 that 2 other players voted me. Maybe Frog is a sheep. But from my perspective, he isn't solving anything just trying to fit in with the crowd.
- I can see what furtiveglance means in 113 when they say 83 was omgus'y by DeltaWave.

(it's easier to see if you look at 82 to see the whole short discussion and see the disproportionate reaction which was 83)

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but, again, that's something I'm willing to let slide due to the DeltaWave hasn't played for 7 years thing. Sure it's worth noting, but enough for Day1 elim.
- Frog, again, is being unhelpful in 114. What does "Not really." mean exactly? That we can't agree to disagree? That he can't color the same way I did so we can look closer to the differences in how we see things, nor can he explain in his own words? We don't see it opposite? We see it opposite but that doesn't mean one of us has to be wrong?
It's not the first, since he dropped the topic.
It could be the first half the 2nd, but then why wouldn't he try the other half to help game solve process?
If it's the 3rd then his disagreeing with me didn't make sense.
If it's the last then idk what he's smoking.
Whatever it is, 114 to me shows a clear disinterest to game solve by Frog.
[note that the argument itself no longer interests me since I changed my mind since then]
- 116 is interesting by Greeting, due to it adding to the pile of

red flag triggers

people had on DeltaWave. Although the read is obviously complete nonsense, that's obviously not what DeltaWave meant. Fwiw(not much), I'm fairly certain this means Greeting and DeltaWave could never be wolves together.
- I just want to call Greeting wolf/wolf with Frog after reading 118, though I'm obviously super biased.
Greeting, what makes Frog towny in your eyes? Seriously I don't see anything towny about him.
- 124 is officially the first post that looks like Frog rocks the boat even the slightest. Ausuka wolf read furtiveglance in 121 and DeltaWave town read furtiveglance in 123. Ausuka's wolf read seem to have some hidden reasoning behind it whilst DeltaWave townread reason was limited to

"yeah, i know, I deserve to be wolf read"

. So why did Frog chose to townread furtiveglance? I expect it's because furtiveglance townread Frog in 113. On a different note: this seem to be yet another red flag for DeltaWave.

page 6

- I am NOT voting furtiveglance today after 126. He had: Ausuka asking them a question then vote them in 120 and 121 / DeltaWave townreading them in 123 for the

"yeah, i know, I deserve to be wolf read"

reasoning / Frog "townlocking" them in 124. What did furtiveglance first respond to? The worse looking read of the 3. To me this shows a clear sign of focus on game solving on furtiveglance's part.
- furtiveglance, do you have a lot of experience playing with Frog? You calling their reads "Non sequitur" in 128 suggests that. I was wondering if you could provide some insight into Frog's playstyle?
- This'll probably be a controversial opinion, but I think 129(DeltaWave) is a good look for DeltaWave for a funny reason. Why? Because furtiveglance asked a simple question: why doesn't DeltaWave talk more about her wolf read inutile? As large as DeltaWave's response is, she doesn't even respond to that question - only saying things like

"that's funny, because you're looking more like town to me the more we talk"

- completely stuck in their own head. I think a wolf in that post would had tried to appeal to furtiveglance's question in some way.
- I like that Frog now in 130 has said what I expected; that they're a sheep. Only looking at where the herd is looking at. If this is a player thing and not alignment thing, then perhaps some of my reasons for sussing him was wrong. But not all of them. I still think that playstyle is inherently scummy. Like why not discuss a topic with another player where you disagree with? That seems like a obvious way to gamesolve.
- 131 I'm a fan of BBT. Just saw myself nodding throughout most of their post. 2 exceptions being: "Serious vote?" it obviously wasn't by hutmeil / wolf reading DeltaWave (where they agreed with furtiveglance's reads), I just feel like DeltaWave is too easy target while have some points going for her.
- 132 hutmeil what does this mean? townread whom? the person you vote? For asking

"Why are you scumreading Ghandhi? Bit of a non-sequitur I know but I don't want to get into your improv stuff."

?
- 137 I'm genuinly surprised Frog townreading someone who wolf reads him. I put on my aluminium hat and say it's because of the player type that BBT is?
- 140 Bet you I'm the only one who likes this post by DeltaWave. More specifically, the

"not sure what your angle is here"

part of it.
- I hate myself for saying this but 141 looks good on Frog? What I mean is, he sticks to his schtick again where he wants to look at what other people look; in this he asks

"My condition is that I want you to choose something more specific from Ghandi's iso for me to talk about"

. Although this playstyle I do feel is inherently scummy - not being cooperative when people ask something. But him sticking to his ways shows a game process? Previously I thought Frog is just a sheep unwilling to solve. Well, he is a sheep and he most certainly is uncooperative and not a team player, but at least now I see there's a process going on behind the scenes. Hate his playstyle. Could easily still be wolf. But I'm willing to vote elsewhere if anything better shows up.
- 143's

"I missed this intially because I posted right after."

says that my previous comment where I said "I am NOT voting furtiveglance today" was based on wrong reasons. Actually for me now there's nothing AI for furtiveglance's slot anymore. Best I could give is: the sus on DeltaWave is every so slightly sus because she's an easy target whilst the townread on Frog for

"Frogsterking is making a lot of reads early on which I usually find towny"

is just bad reasoning if given any in-depths look at the sources of Frog's reads.

you know.. the sheeping part..

. Calling those things wolfy by furtiveglance only makes sense, to me, if assume his usual reads levels are higher than surface level. That'd be a pressumption. But in case I see nothing better, I'm willing to go with that presumption. (113 looked so good though?)
- 144 is fine look for furtive because it kinda shows surface level reading.
- 145 by Greeting gives me a bit of wolf talking about another wolf vibe. Though the content does mirror my observations. I feel like they're either both town or both wolves.. don't ask why though..
- 147 aligns well with furtive's reasoning in 143. A good look.

other

In slightly more than than I spent 48 hours ago, I went through half as many posts as I did then. This gives me real back to school kind of vibes - where my procrastination be like "there's time, it'll be easy" just to learn it's more than I expected.
Also, I seem to have no real scumreads atm, though a couple that I'm OK with voting / not thrilled though. I suck.

Sorry for the massive quote post, I'm oN MoBiLe aRgHh

Gandhi, thank you for giving me some spotlight in page 6, I had a real hero to zero to meh arc there, what a ride. You directed a question to me about my interaction with Frogsterking. I think I just meant that me quoting their post about something random, to ask them about reads, was a non sequitur as in "This isn't relevant to your latest post BUT".

Also, I wanted to explain why I would have responded to Ausuka voting me before other interactions, if I had seen it. Votes are the most important thing in the game, and I didn't want a townread especially to be voting me.

[DeltaWave]

gandhi, your thoughts are interesting but at this rate you will never catch up to the thread. how about a reads list?

[Mohab500]

VOTE: Juice

[Eiralox]

Screw it. That's -1?

@Juice where u at? You have a day to wow me. cos meh like this game has ground down so let's get a flip is my feel, which is honestly rare from me. I want gandhi dead... like they ignored me completely in their new wall which is..... kinda absurd considering my hyper focus on them. why would town ignore me like that? egh. But at this point meh like i think people aren't clicking. I want a claim from juice. Pronto.

[inutile]

please unvote

[Eiralox]

the thing is juice was prodded/ so inutile got a point. but meh i'm still where i vas at, juice has to pitch up

[Greeting]

Announcing intent to hammer Juice.

[Eiralox]

why tho?

[inutile]

Announcing intent to hammer Juice.

i… don’t get it

[Ausuka]

mohab can you give like your actual reads and stuff

[Greeting]

why tho?

Announcing intent to hammer Juice.

i… don’t get it

Because the slot has given us literally nothing to townread it even though the game has been going for several days now and plenty of content has been made.

Juice

has approximately 15 hours to claim before I hammer.

[inutile]

kinda think it would be better if mohab just rambled about the game for a bit rather than reads but also more pressing to please unvote

[inutile]

why tho?

Announcing intent to hammer Juice.

i… don’t get it

Because the slot has given us literally nothing to townread it even though the game has been going for several days now and plenty of content has been made.

Juice

has approximately 15 hours to claim before I hammer.

and there’s a lot of time on day like we get plenty of more content from that alone and there’s nothing stopping us from eliminating juice in the future when we are more informed

like

…

yeah i just don’t get it

[Ausuka]

From where I'm standing juice is town or juice is being bussed hard

Either way I have no desire to end the day here

It's not just juice a lot of people have done nothing. Mohab has done nothing but Wolfy popins and hutmeil's read list was literally just a draft of consensus reads with like no reasoning behind it and he has not done anything really unless someone asked him to

Gandhi has been catching up at a really incredibly slow pace which is like, sure the detail is great and all but there's no reason to still be talking about page 5

Hoppip has done some things to be fair but nothing towny and iirc hasn't been here super recently.

There are definitely town here and unless this contains all 3 or maybe 2 of the scum town will lose this game.

[Eiralox]

why tho?

Announcing intent to hammer Juice.

i… don’t get it

Because the slot has given us literally nothing to townread it even though the game has been going for several days now and plenty of content has been made.

Juice

has approximately 15 hours to claim before I hammer.

nah i already gave them 24 hours. read above. so you saying this is de facto scummy to me.

[Eiralox]

and they were prodded. so we ain't hammering juice on a whim just yet.

[Greeting]

why tho?

Announcing intent to hammer Juice.

i… don’t get it

Because the slot has given us literally nothing to townread it even though the game has been going for several days now and plenty of content has been made.

Juice

has approximately 15 hours to claim before I hammer.

nah i already gave them 24 hours. read above. so you saying this is de facto scummy to me.

I am in V/LA.

[Eiralox]

why tho?

Announcing intent to hammer Juice.

i… don’t get it

Because the slot has given us literally nothing to townread it even though the game has been going for several days now and plenty of content has been made.

Juice

has approximately 15 hours to claim before I hammer.

nah i already gave them 24 hours. read above. so you saying this is de facto scummy to me.

I am in V/LA.

exactly.

[Mohab500]

UNVOTE:

more thoughts in a bit, dealing with some bullshit at the moment