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[Nero Cain]

we aren't going to eliminate gandhi.

why not?

[Mapuche Never Die]

I see a lot of talk about

DeltaWave

and they're definitely in the PoE for me. The ISO is quite shallow, when at this point there's more than enough content to make deeper reads. Not going to lie,

intuile

is probably my strongest townlean for now, and the fact that this is the player

DeltaWave

has been so focused in this game makes him look worse in my eyes.

I suppose I agree with him that

hoppip

is sus, and

Ausuka

is town, but my gut tells me that something's not right here.

i'm actually interested in hearing from the sideliners since this has mostly been the same few active people talking

I'd be actually very much interested in hearing more from you.

that's a fallacy that even very seasoned mafia players make, so i'll call it a null for you. specifically, I'm referring to the idea that if you think Player A is town and Player B votes for Player A then Player B is likely mafia. makes assumptions that aren't true, and day 1 usually consists of town primarily going at each other while mafia eggs it on or hides. but like I said, even people who have played many many games make this mistake so I will call it a null for you.

i'm standing by my position that inutile is sus and i really don't care that it's making people scumread me. i'm not going to back off what i think is my best read right now because it's unpopular or it might get me eliminated. clearly, an inutile elimination is not going to happen right now based on how people are reading her but i don't operate on consensus like that. i truly do not understand why people see inutile as town. as i said before, if there's evidence that she always plays this way (even as town) then my tune might change but to date, nobody has done so unless I somehow missed it. you can think i'm mafia all you want but i would have picked a safer bet than this if that was the case. if you really think that mafia will wagon popular players instead of killing them at night i dont know what to tell you.

the hubbub around ghandi is interesting and i don't know what to make of it right now. people took very strong opinions about the player right off the bat and i can't understand why that would be the case. it would be interesting to revisit those interactions once we see some flips.

as for other reads.

asuka strikes me as town.
furtiveglance also strikes me as town. although his vote against me is wrong, the rationale seems towny.
bbt, on the other hand, strikes me as someone who wanted to piggyback off furtive's reasoning to join a relatively uncontroversial wagon that coincidentally targets the main person campaigning against inutile.
hoppip is neutral, leaning town. the rationale for sussing me wasn't great but is the kind of rationale i could expect from townspeople.
nuclear g - again, not sure what to make of this player since i just don't have a read on them and i'm confused as to why this is the biggest wagon rn. i'm not saying it's wrong, just don't know if it's right
juice, hut, miralax, and mohab all fall into the same category for me, which are low activity lurkers. there is ALWAYS scum in this group on d1. i wouldn't be surprised if juice is scum who is letting us slug it out. only two posts and still maintaining an RVS vote when we're nine pages in.

i wouldn't be terribly surprised if it's inutile/juice/bbt, assuming a standard 10:3 split.

I really like this post and I can’t fully explain why but it seems very tonally genuine

[Mapuche Never Die]

I'm going to puke if my solve is correct. I'm most willing to reassess on Gandhi.

im sorry im a bit of a tipsy lazy reader today. what xactly is ur solve? excluding gandhi, let's assume they are tovn for this experiment, vhich 3 slots vould u say are scum?

cos rn RE: Juice: 100% null. No data. I want juice to engage but rn i don't have enough data to even consider voting that way. And gandhi........ why they so silent? weekend awol? cos i mean i'll see scum in gandhi until gandhi convinces me otherwise. which so far: gandhi>eira: French Revo.

So where's ghandi? I want gandhi to approach ur case on them pronto. I said that slot is 100% scum............................. am i being unbending? th only person who can convince me about gandhi rn is gandhi. I'll wait.


@Gandhi: reads on Hutmeil, Toffee and Ausuka. This will help me sort you, perhaps mollify my burning desire to see you consigned to the nuclear fire. Sooooo................. yeah i think that's exactly what I want rn, from one specific slot.

Looking through Eiralox’s past town games, there is a marked tonal difference between this game and both of those. I’ll elaborate soonish

[Mapuche Never Die]

asuka strikes me as town.
furtiveglance also strikes me as town. although his vote against me is wrong, the rationale seems towny.
bbt, on the other hand, strikes me as someone who wanted to piggyback off furtive's reasoning to join a relatively uncontroversial wagon that coincidentally targets the main person campaigning against inutile.
hoppip is neutral, leaning town. the rationale for sussing me wasn't great but is the kind of rationale i could expect from townspeople.
nuclear g - again, not sure what to make of this player since i just don't have a read on them and i'm confused as to why this is the biggest wagon rn. i'm not saying it's wrong, just don't know if it's right
juice, hut, miralax, and mohab all fall into the same category for me, which are low activity lurkers. there is ALWAYS scum in this group on d1. i wouldn't be surprised if juice is scum who is letting us slug it out. only two posts and still maintaining an RVS vote when we're nine pages in.

i wouldn't be terribly surprised if it's inutile/juice/bbt, assuming a standard 10:3 split.

the fact that you have hoppip above "lurkers always scum in there"(which i disagree with, on rational principle) worries me.
the fact that you don't address Frogster, who is obvious town, worries me.
The fact that you are not happy with the gandhi wagon this early worries me.
The fact that juice isn't at null worries me.

why do you worry me?

Eiralox scumreading DW for not mentioning frogster because Eiralox thinks frogster is obvtown is just bad and disingenuous.

[Mapuche Never Die]

@Delta

@hutmeil

@BBT

What do you make of 237?

Interesting that he started his RVS on page 8. It could be he's just getting started.

I'll give the slot the benefit of the doubt but I guess the slot earns some scum points for me.

hutmeil only popping in the thread when his name is mentioned.

[Mapuche Never Die]

Gandhi's not coming back lol

Gandhi was scum's savior and they got SHUT DOWN

Frogster’s cockiness is towny here.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: MND

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote Count 1.7

Mapuche Never Die (3): hoppip, BlueBloodedToffee, Nero Cain
Greeting (3): Mohab500, Eiralox, Nuclear Gandhi
hutmeil (1): Ausuka
DeltaWave (1): Mapuche Never Die
Nuclear Gandhi (1): Frogsterking
Frogsterking (1): furtiveglance

Not Voting: Greeting, hutmeil, DeltaWave

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to forcibly remove a player.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-08-28 15:00:00)

Mod notes:
Greeting is V/LA until Saturday

[Mapuche Never Die]

VOTE: MND

Why

[DeltaWave]

nah MND is town. or at least likely town. it even says "townie" under his name.

in response to frog's 666: yes, greeting is V/LA but that doesn't mean he's immune to suspicion. i'm not suggesting we hammer him before he get back. i'm saying that i'd vote him though but I want to see the VC specifically so I don't hammer him or bring him to E-1.

gandhi's logic seems very town but i'm still bothered that he just did some early recaps and then petered out. he still strikes me as likely town but he needs to get on the ball a bit better.

[Mapuche Never Die]

You, eiralox, and Delta have all been doing it quite a lot iirc

Okay and why bring it up?

Because I think pushing teamsolves on day 1 is a bad idea and is pretty likely to misdirect our attention. Talk of associatives now is just noise. I think this is a pretty obvious answer, what are you hoping to get out of this line of questioning?

I had a pretty similar reaction - this looks like T/T

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: MND

Why

Why not?

It feels like you are active lurking and my vote was partly cast in an attempt to spur you into action. But also thinking back I'm thinking that Juice could maybe have been scum afterall. Like I get that coincidences happen but saying that the RVS just happened to land on someone that was a viable wagon at that point seems a bit iffy to me.

its 2 days and change till deadline and you are still back on p11.

So many are being so useless with their votes.

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: MND

Why

Why not?

It feels like you are active lurking and my vote was partly cast in an attempt to spur you into action. But also thinking back I'm thinking that Juice could maybe have been scum afterall. Like I get that coincidences happen but saying that the RVS just happened to land on someone that was a viable wagon at that point seems a bit iffy to me.

its 2 days and change till deadline and you are still back on p11.

So many are being so useless with their votes.

VOTE: MND

[hoppip]

Vote Count 1.7

Mapuche Never Die (4): DeltaWave, hoppip, BlueBloodedToffee, Nero Cain
Greeting (3): Mohab500, Eiralox, Nuclear Gandhi
hutmeil (1): Ausuka
DeltaWave (1): Mapuche Never Die
Nuclear Gandhi (1): Frogsterking
Frogsterking (1): furtiveglance

Not Voting: Greeting, hutmeil

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to forcibly remove a player.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-08-28 15:00:00)

Mod notes:
Greeting is V/LA until Saturday

I appreciate that Mapuche is playing, but I'm still gonna keep my vote there for now. I don't like the other leading wagon and the vanity wagons are yuck besides hutmeil's.

[hoppip]

I'm going to puke if my solve is correct. I'm most willing to reassess on Gandhi.

im sorry im a bit of a tipsy lazy reader today. what xactly is ur solve? excluding gandhi, let's assume they are tovn for this experiment, vhich 3 slots vould u say are scum?

cos rn RE: Juice: 100% null. No data. I want juice to engage but rn i don't have enough data to even consider voting that way. And gandhi........ why they so silent? weekend awol? cos i mean i'll see scum in gandhi until gandhi convinces me otherwise. which so far: gandhi>eira: French Revo.

So where's ghandi? I want gandhi to approach ur case on them pronto. I said that slot is 100% scum............................. am i being unbending? th only person who can convince me about gandhi rn is gandhi. I'll wait.


@Gandhi: reads on Hutmeil, Toffee and Ausuka. This will help me sort you, perhaps mollify my burning desire to see you consigned to the nuclear fire. Sooooo................. yeah i think that's exactly what I want rn, from one specific slot.

Looking through Eiralox’s past town games, there is a marked tonal difference between this game and both of those. I’ll elaborate soonish

This does intrigue me though. If nothing else, I'd like to see something entirely original that isn't just play-by-play reactions to a bunch of posts. I'm already ignoring Gandhi's posts (sorry Gandhi!) for doing the same thing but also making giant blocks of text that are a pain to read.

[hoppip]

VOTE: MND

Why

Why not?

It feels like you are active lurking and my vote was partly cast in an attempt to spur you into action. But also thinking back I'm thinking that Juice could maybe have been scum afterall. Like I get that coincidences happen but saying that the RVS just happened to land on someone that was a viable wagon at that point seems a bit iffy to me.

its 2 days and change till deadline and you are still back on p11.

So many are being so useless with their votes.

Vibing with this post pretty hard. Going through Nero's posts, my town read on the slot still sticks.

[hoppip]

Hmm...

You know what, I'll vote hutmeil if Mapuche does.

[DeltaWave]

i unvoted MND earlier but the mod missed it. to be clear, UNVOTE: Mapuche

Thank you for the correction, the correct vote was edited in earlier - Gamma Emerald

[Ausuka]

Hoppip what's your actual read on Hutmeil

Same to delta I guess

I think he's like, really blatantly scummy, and do not understand the general lack of attention to him at all

[DeltaWave]

Hoppip what's your actual read on Hutmeil

Same to delta I guess

I think he's like, really blatantly scummy, and do not understand the general lack of attention to him at all

oh yeah i've been agreeing with you on that. i mentioned him in my last read list.

VOTE: hutmeil

MPD as the lead weagon seems mostly like juice carryover. i think RMD has reallly come off as town and i'm not going to be voting for them.

[DeltaWave]

going to give greeting some breathing room until v/la is over

[Frogsterking]

Hoppip what's your actual read on Hutmeil

Same to delta I guess

I think he's like, really blatantly scummy, and do not understand the general lack of attention to him at all

I empathize with your frustration and I think you have a good case for hutmeil on D2. I think there are a lot of scummy slots in this game which is why hutmeil isn't getting much attention. I think MND is miles scummier than hutmeil and I prefer to send MND packing D1.

i unvoted MND earlier but the mod missed it. to be clear, UNVOTE: Mapuche

I want to make a note of this unvote right here. Why?

PEdit:

MND hasn't done anything Town!Indicative. This is a bizarre statement from Delta which sends me further into confbiasing the Delta/Gandhi/MND solve.

[Ausuka]

I don't really have a read on MND yet. I get being somewhat frustrated that he's still talking about early game stuff but he just replaced in so.

And I think MND will probably die on d1 and I don't have a massive problem with that - I think it's fairly likely that slot was being bussed. I am a bit frustrated that we have not been able to sustain a proper wagon on any other player in the game, though.

[DeltaWave]

i unvoted MND earlier but the mod missed it. to be clear, UNVOTE: Mapuche

I want to make a note of this unvote right here. Why?

PEdit:

MND hasn't done anything Town!Indicative. This is a bizarre statement from Delta which sends me further into confbiasing the Delta/Gandhi/MND solve.

i unvoted MHG in #557 but the mod didn't count it. so i did it again.

[Frogsterking]

That's great Delta. I reread 557 and it's golden. Can you explain why you're fence sitting on at least half of your reads? Also can you clarify the following read into anything that sounds believable?

furtiveglance - i'm pretty sure you're town. i see town reasoning behind a lot of your actions.