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[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Frogsterking

I never explained this vote.

I was fed up of Frogsterking going "Delta/Gandhi/MND are being so sus rn it's really confbiasing my confbias about my Delta/Gandhi/MND solve look at me guys I'm confbiasing so hard rn".

It seemed LAMIST and fake.

[furtiveglance]

That argument makes no sense. Obviously nothing is perfectly scum indicative. By that logic you shouldn't be scumreading Juice. They're just doing whatever they want as well, you just have a cookie cutter idea of what town play looks like.

I find town easier to recognise than mafia in general.

I mean, in most cases doesn't recognising town mean you also recognise mafia as its either town or mafia?

Who is town or mafia in this game?

I'd say I wouldn't vote you/DeltaWave/Frog/Greeting/Hoppip/Inutile today.

Take out Frog obviously, put MND in, put Gandhi in

[Mapuche Never Die]

UNVOTE: juice

Nice. I guess townie points for you. I'm still waiting for your survey though.

hutmeil votes Juice, then gives Frogster townpoints for unvoting juice

I don't think anyone wants to read this level 0 analysis bullshit. Hutmeil townread my unvote in 403 because it took juice off e-1. Realizing that is like...not even an original take on its own and you missed that point completely. Why bother catching up post-by-post if the given analysis is LESS detailed than someone can muster by skimming the thread and blurting out obvious things?

I do get that hutmeil townreads you for taking Juice off E-1. I still think that’s scummy on hutmeil’s side.

So in 733 you're stating that in 707 you intentionally withheld information you were aware of in order to make hutmeil look worse?

No? Where did you get that from?

[Mapuche Never Die]

I said that hutmeil scumreads Juice and townreads frogster for unvoting juice. Hutmeil wants juice dead, but is happy with unvotes against juice

[Ausuka]

Furtive can you talk about your MND/greeting/hoppip reads

If you don't have much time I'm most interested in the greeting one I think

Pedit: Hutmeil was being sarcastic

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote Count 1.8

Mapuche Never Die (4): hoppip, BlueBloodedToffee, Nero Cain, Frogsterking
Greeting (3): Mohab500, Eiralox, Nuclear Gandhi
hutmeil (2): Ausuka, DeltaWave
DeltaWave (1): Mapuche Never Die
Frogsterking (1): furtiveglance

Not Voting: Greeting, hutmeil

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to forcibly remove a player.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-08-28 15:00:00)

Mod notes:
Greeting is V/LA until Saturday
I will likely be at EPCOT when deadline comes so you may get extended twilight

[furtiveglance]

Furtive can you talk about your MND/greeting/hoppip reads

If you don't have much time I'm most interested in the greeting one I think

Pedit: Hutmeil was being sarcastic

MND towniest, Hoppip town, Greeting least town

[furtiveglance]

Wagon composition suggests I should vote for hutmeil seeing as we're nearing crunch time

[furtiveglance]

Wagon composition suggests I should vote for hutmeil seeing as we're nearing crunch time

But when has anyone ever voted due to wagon composition?

[furtiveglance]

Wagon composition suggests I should vote for hutmeil seeing as we're nearing crunch time

I think hutmeil is town, same with MND. If my dream vote on Frog won't go through today I'd vote Greeting.

[Ausuka]

I'm just confused. Why are you townreading hutmeil when he wasn't in your earlier list of townreads? And the whole move where you propose to vote Hutmeil and then make two new posts saying "no Actually I don't want to do that" just feels... strange.

[Frogsterking]

@Ausuka

Are you open to the idea that hutmeil's townplay has qualities of people pleasing which is the cause of their scummy appearance in this game?

I'd be willing to consider it. I've read his other games to compare, and I don't think his playstyle explains his play here, though. I also think, while people pleasing could explain some of his scummy behaviour, there are other things I scumread that would not be explained by that.

Alright I skimmed the isos. I had some reservations that hutmeil rolled their first TPR, but one hutmeil's completed games was as a mason and that iso looks significantly better than this one.

VOTE: hutmeil

Alright MND time to put your money where your mouth is.

[Frogsterking]

I'm just confused. Why are you townreading hutmeil when he wasn't in your earlier list of townreads? And the whole move where you propose to vote Hutmeil and then make two new posts saying "no Actually I don't want to do that" just feels... strange.

Just be thankful furtiveglance isn't a RadiantCowbells alt.

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: Frogsterking

I never explained this vote.

I was fed up of Frogsterking going "Delta/Gandhi/MND are being so sus rn it's really confbiasing my confbias about my Delta/Gandhi/MND solve look at me guys I'm confbiasing so hard rn".

It seemed LAMIST and fake.

It's worth pointing out that this is more likely to annoy you if you know that I'm Town scumreading Town for stupid reasons. If you're playing from an uninformed perspective how are you so sure that my solve is bad that you're getting annoyed by me pushing it etc.

[furtiveglance]

I'm just confused. Why are you townreading hutmeil when he wasn't in your earlier list of townreads? And the whole move where you propose to vote Hutmeil and then make two new posts saying "no Actually I don't want to do that" just feels... strange.

Hutmeil was previously not in the townreads because they did nothing towny. But given the urgency of the situation, I decided to reread their ISO and simplify my read on them to the binary level, and I think they're town. What I really want is for you and Delta to get off Hutmeil, I suppose that was the point to the multiple posts, if there was a point.

[Ausuka]

I'm just confused. Why are you townreading hutmeil when he wasn't in your earlier list of townreads? And the whole move where you propose to vote Hutmeil and then make two new posts saying "no Actually I don't want to do that" just feels... strange.

Hutmeil was previously not in the townreads because they did nothing towny. But given the urgency of the situation, I decided to reread their ISO and simplify my read on them to the binary level, and I think they're town. What I really want is for you and Delta to get off Hutmeil, I suppose that was the point to the multiple posts, if there was a point.

Ok, why is he town

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Frogsterking

I never explained this vote.

I was fed up of Frogsterking going "Delta/Gandhi/MND are being so sus rn it's really confbiasing my confbias about my Delta/Gandhi/MND solve look at me guys I'm confbiasing so hard rn".

It seemed LAMIST and fake.

It's worth pointing out that this is more likely to annoy you if you know that I'm Town scumreading Town for stupid reasons. If you're playing from an uninformed perspective how are you so sure that my solve is bad that you're getting annoyed by me pushing it etc.

Uninformed doesn't mean clueless, I have thoughts about the game. You're calling 2 townreads and a null read the scumteam, I'm sure it's not correct. Besides, the manner of your self-conscious proclamations of 'confbias' (an affliction which only troubles town) was more than a little overdone. You were acting.

[furtiveglance]

UNVOTE: Furtive

I had the same question as him for Frog which I TR him for.

This is a weird thing to fake if you're mafia.

[Ausuka]

I really disagree and struggle to see what you're seeing in that

[furtiveglance]

I really disagree and struggle to see what you're seeing in that

We're disagreeing about a lot.

What's annoying me is that we're disagreeing, you're scumreading me, but I'm townreading you. I wouldn't blame an observer for scumreading me just based on that. Are you still scumreading me or can you afford me level ground?

[Nero Cain]

I just don't really get the hutmeil case. Like I could maybe buy into

he's not being as active as normal

but beyond that its ????

Part of me just feels like voting out MND or Gandhi would be fairly constructive b/c I don't trust Gandhi's

leave me until day 3

and I think MND's plodding catchup is fake.

[furtiveglance]

Regardless of my insecurities, I'm opposing Hutmeil's vote. Greeting is more palatable.

VOTE: Greeting

[Ausuka]

I really disagree and struggle to see what you're seeing in that

We're disagreeing about a lot.

What's annoying me is that we're disagreeing, you're scumreading me, but I'm townreading you. I wouldn't blame an observer for scumreading me just based on that. Are you still scumreading me or can you afford me level ground?

I am scumleaning you - you are probably more likely to be town than scum but I think you are >Rand likely to be scum here

[DeltaWave]

why you town reading MND and Gandhi. I think you were asked both.

the scumhunting feels genuine. it seems like they're really trying to consider the game in a way that doesn't seem calculated. but like i said before, i'm not happy with the fact that gandhi will never catch up at this rate and i'd like to see more real participation.

noting that frogster "i'm getting a raging confbias right now" king didn't answer my question about what they mean by fence sitting. doubling down on confbias doesn't count as scumhunting to me. compare this to NMD and you'll see the answer to your initial question become revealed

p-edit: hut's wagon is way more than just not being active. the few posts he has made has been sus. i don't feel like reiterating again but it's been discussed before by asuka and i found the reasoning extremely persuasive

[DeltaWave]

I think MND's plodding catchup is fake.

he replaced in late d1 what do you expect my guy