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[Nero Cain]

town would genuinely decide that the best way to get information is to be intentionally scummy and then get irritated when people scumread you for being scummy

this is how everytown player is that thinks slayers gambit is a good idea.

[Ausuka]

I have never heard of slayer's gambit and while I have seen something similar to this in the past - albeit very rarely - I don't really get the sense that this from Hutmeil is genuine, personally.

[hutmeil]

If eliminating me will push the game state forward then by all means elim me (miselim).

But of course, since I'm VT, I feel conflicted about this since the game is about hunting/eliminating scum, not eliminating Town.

Ok great but you said "I agree with my elimination" and discussed self hammering earlier. That's a much harder stance than "if eliminating me will push the gamestate forward then fine." I'd be more willing to chalk it up to a mistake in wording if this was only one line but you seem to have gone repeatedly back and forth on this issue

Why do I get the feeling that you're pushing me to hammer myself?

I don't really think you adequately explained what on earth would drive you to make a terrible readslist on purpose.

I don't think you read my recent post but I made it to get information on D1. It's D1 so getting info by any means possible is good (at least for me).

I read your post but I just do not think this explanation makes sense. Like I guess it's not impossible, but I really don't understand why town would genuinely decide that the best way to get information is to be intentionally scummy and then get irritated when people scumread you for being scummy

I'm not saying it's the best way. It is A way. Basically we don't have any info on D1 so generating reactions is a way to get info on the day with the least info.

[Ausuka]

Why do I get the feeling that you're pushing me to hammer myself?

I mean you explicitly asked me what I found scummy about your post

And ok but like surely you realise there are other ways to get reactions than just playing like scum

[hutmeil]

I have to go now. It's almost 3am here.

Pedit:Sure there are other ways. Don't I have the freedom to choose the way I want?

[Ausuka]

W/e I will stop spamming the thread up and let over people give responses to this because it is possible I have some bias at this point

[Nero Cain]

Slayer's gambit is essentially playing "scummy" with the assumption that scum will try to push you and you find scum that way. Like I'm not saying that's what Hut was doing but I do feel like thats what alot of new players do. And sometimes they get MAD for being scum read and I think it's hilarious and your 1041 made me think of that.

It's like smoking 2 packs a day and then getting mad at the cig company when you get lung cancer. If you partake in risky behavior don't get mad at the consequences.

[Nero Cain]

Why hasn't Greeting claimed? or has he?

[Crescent]

He didn't claim that I can remember. I'll occasionally peek in at work but I generally can't do much when I'm not on break. I want an answer to how 1019 and 1024 don't blatantly contradict.

I've gotta get my stuff started but I was hoping for an answer before this.

[Nero Cain]

I have 2ish hours before I leave. If I need to switch to Greeting I can but I'll wait for a hard claim and I'd also like to see an explanation for 1019 1024

[Ythan]

Vote Count 1.11

hutmeil (6): Ausuka, DeltaWave, Greeting, Frogsterking, Nero Cain, BlueBloodedToffee
Greeting (6): Eiralox, Nuclear Gandhi, furtiveglance, Crescent, Mapuche Never Die, hutmeil
Mapuche Never Die (1): hoppip

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[Nero Cain]

VOTE: unvote

[Greeting]

Oh, I didn't get hammered. I really thought I did, and was just kinda ready to forget about this game.

Fine, I'll claim if you guys really want me to. I'm a gated Town Cop who can only uncover Mafia Goons (full role is

Town Disloyal Simple Cop

).

It's a shame I probably won't even get to use the role now. I am, however, still planning on checking someone from my PoE Night 1. My current thoughts are to check out Mohab/

Crescent

's slot.

[Nero Cain]

hrmmm...

[Ausuka]

Hmm

I kind of believe the role and don't think it would be a fake claim, but is possible greeting has a similar mafia role

Why did you want to be hammered if you're a gooncop

[Nero Cain]

What makes it such a believable claim?

[Ausuka]

don't think mafia claim roles like disloyal simple cop in practice and it's the sort of thing that's in vogue in the normal queue at the minute

[Ausuka]

don't think mafia claim roles like disloyal simple cop in practice and it's the sort of thing that's in vogue in the normal queue at the minute

to be clear, if greeting is like, mafia disloyal simple cop or even something like mafia disloyal complex gunsmith I think I could see it

[Greeting]

I'd much rather be just a Town Cop, but yeah, for some reason that's hard to come by in the Normal queue.

I consider myself to be a rather intelligent person, but I'm not smart enough to make such a sophisticated fake claim, honestly. I would need to have someone from my team invent it for me (10% effort) and then successfully convince me to use it (90% effort), which overall makes it highly improbable.

I'm annoyed that I was forced to claim over absolute bs on Day 1, because the only way for my role to be potentially useful would be me checking out at least like 3 scummy people and hoping I uncover an actual Goon.

[Greeting]

Anyway, question time is over, because I think the questions being asked are bullshit and my cooperation changes absolutely nothing. If you don't believe my claim, just hammer me so I can bitch about this game in the Dead Thread.

[Ausuka]

-.-

[Ausuka]

I literally say I'm inclined to believe your claim but no apparently me asking literally anything is bullshit??? Like genuinely what did I even do, not townlock you? Like I'm sorry but you just have not been that towny

[Nero Cain]

nyway, if I was hammered then town just shot itself in the foot.

I mean it was obvious that greeting was soft claiming pr here. I was sorta thinking this was scum

ATE

so we didn't hammer him for real.

I was also sorta thinking that Hut could be town b/c I really think that scum would be far more likely to claim PR like ^^^

Another thought I had was that Hut actually was a VT and the Greeting wagon was about getting another claim. But that would mean they were both town and scum is something like BBT, Cresent, ???

or maybe there's just scum in hut/greeting and I'm overthinking things

[Nero Cain]

what should I do, Ausuka?

[Ausuka]

I mean all those things are obviously possibilities

The vt thing does cross my mind but the amount of stress he put on how he's ok with being elimmed cos he's just a simple VT kind of cancelled that out for me