Open 862: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Enchant]

We can also just sheep NM.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Kop

Bored of waiting now

[Enchant]

VOTE: Kop

Bored of waiting now

why

[Not_Mafia]

The slots had enough chance to redeem itself, maybe it still will but right now that's where I want my vote

[Kop]

why does BBT's vote look bad to you, NM? I don't need to ask about mine because I'm pretty sure of why.

Placement, There's a bus and if it's a double bus it was an early vote + Penguin, cos Penguin's vote tipped the balance and sealed Jake's fate. If it's one scum bussing, it was you or BBT just trying to get their name on the wagon for towncred. If BBT is scum, I don't think he was committed to the wagon going through, he just wanted to be seen to be pushing Jake for cred, but then the wagon went through very quickly EoD

If you're talking about the early vote on the wagon that could be the bus, it would have been Penguin if he had kept his vote on Jake.

I think it's probably Penguin more than BBT that is the likely bus.

VOTE: Penguin

[Kop]

With the way he jumped off, hoping that Enchant wagon may have taken off, but realizing that it wasn't, and Jakes was taking off, he had to jump on in hope to buy credit.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

We should probably look for the scum who tried to save Jake, not bus them.

That makes much more sense.

[Not_Mafia]

why does BBT's vote look bad to you, NM? I don't need to ask about mine because I'm pretty sure of why.

Placement, There's a bus and if it's a double bus it was an early vote + Penguin, cos Penguin's vote tipped the balance and sealed Jake's fate. If it's one scum bussing, it was you or BBT just trying to get their name on the wagon for towncred. If BBT is scum, I don't think he was committed to the wagon going through, he just wanted to be seen to be pushing Jake for cred, but then the wagon went through very quickly EoD

If you're talking about the early vote on the wagon that could be the bus,

it would have been Penguin if he had kept his vote on Jake.

I think it's probably Penguin more than BBT that is the likely bus.

VOTE: Penguin

But he didn't

[PenguinPower]

With the way he jumped off, hoping that Enchant wagon may have taken off, but realizing that it wasn't, and Jakes was taking off, he had to jump on in hope to buy credit.

Just gonna reiterate this:

If there was late scum in Jake wagon it's probably Penguinpower.

Nope. Already said why not. Pay attention.

VOTE: kop

If I'm looking for credit, I'm not going to hop on in a position or manner that doesn't get me credit...

I most certainly wouldn't say:

i mean - the gamesates were entirely different, but yeah, i shouldn't be town solely for voting scum.

[Kop]

We should probably look for the scum who tried to save Jake, not bus them.

That makes much more sense.

I don't think anyone was trying to save Jake if I recall.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Enchant was a counter wagon to Jake and those wagons were very much 50/50 for what felt like a good % of the day.

No doubt scum tried to save Jake by voting Enchant.

[Not_Mafia]

My Kop vote is now serious

[NorwegianboyEE]

Enchant was a counter wagon to Jake and those wagons were very much 50/50 for what felt like a good % of the day.

No doubt scum tried to save Jake by voting Enchant.

And wouldn't scum vote Jake when it looked like it was for sure he would die?
Or do you seriously argue that me and Bella are scum and decided to keep voting Enchant, knowing Jake would flip and make our slots look awful. You're basically claiming that we are idiots.

[PenguinPower]

My Kop vote is now serious

[Not_Mafia]

Enchant was a counter wagon to Jake and those wagons were very much 50/50 for what felt like a good % of the day.

No doubt scum tried to save Jake by voting Enchant.

And wouldn't scum vote Jake when it looked like it was for sure he would die?
Or do you seriously argue that me and Bella are scum and decided to keep voting Enchant, knowing Jake would flip and make our slots look awful. You're basically claiming that we are idiots.

But Penguin was the vote that tipped the balance towards Jake, if Penguin didn't vote there, the elimination probably would have ended up on Enchant

[NorwegianboyEE]

Enchant was a counter wagon to Jake and those wagons were very much 50/50 for what felt like a good % of the day.

No doubt scum tried to save Jake by voting Enchant.

And wouldn't scum vote Jake when it looked like it was for sure he would die?
Or do you seriously argue that me and Bella are scum and decided to keep voting Enchant, knowing Jake would flip and make our slots look awful. You're basically claiming that we are idiots.

But Penguin was the vote that tipped the balance towards Jake, if Penguin didn't vote there, the elimination probably would have ended up on Enchant

I've made the tipping vote myself as scum on my scum partner in many games. I don't townread slots because they made a vote on scum. I townread slots based on if they play like town.

[PenguinPower]

lol at changing your argument up mid-debate.

[NorwegianboyEE]

lol at changing your argument up mid-debate.

Scum post.

[Not_Mafia]

Enchant was a counter wagon to Jake and those wagons were very much 50/50 for what felt like a good % of the day.

No doubt scum tried to save Jake by voting Enchant.

And wouldn't scum vote Jake when it looked like it was for sure he would die?
Or do you seriously argue that me and Bella are scum and decided to keep voting Enchant, knowing Jake would flip and make our slots look awful. You're basically claiming that we are idiots.

But Penguin was the vote that tipped the balance towards Jake, if Penguin didn't vote there, the elimination probably would have ended up on Enchant

I've made the tipping vote myself as scum on my scum partner in many games. I don't townread slots because they made a vote on scum. I townread slots based on if they play like town.

Sounds like you're just tunneled on Penguin tbh

[PenguinPower]

mindmelding with n_m

[BlueBloodedToffee]

And wouldn't scum vote Jake when it looked like it was for sure he would die?
Or do you seriously argue that me and Bella are scum and decided to keep voting Enchant, knowing Jake would flip and make our slots look awful. You're basically claiming that we are idiots.

I don't think both of you are scum, I think exactly one of you is scum.

There also wasn't a 'sure point' that Jake would be elimmed, and if there was, you may not have had time to react to it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think both of you are scum, I think exactly one of you is scum.

This is an illogical mindset. You're treating it as if it's fact that there has to be scum in me/Bella when that in itself is an fallacy because you're not considering the possibility that we could both be town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

To be perfectly honest, i don't think BBT is scum. I just think he is off the rails and may i say... "tunneling" in his belief that there must be 1 scum in the EOD Enchant wagon. And instead of treating our slots independently he puts us both in categories and refuses to consider individual quality.

[Bellaphant]

Enchant was a counter wagon to Jake and those wagons were very much 50/50 for what felt like a good % of the day.

No doubt scum tried to save Jake by voting Enchant.

And wouldn't scum vote Jake when it looked like it was for sure he would die?
Or do you seriously argue that me and Bella are scum and decided to keep voting Enchant, knowing Jake would flip and make our slots look awful. You're basically claiming that we are idiots.

But Penguin was the vote that tipped the balance towards Jake, if Penguin didn't vote there, the elimination probably would have ended up on Enchant

I don't think both of you are scum, I think exactly one of you is scum.

This is an illogical mindset. You're treating it as if it's fact that there has to be scum in me/Bella when that in itself is an fallacy because you're not considering the possibility that we could both be town.

These are basically my thoughts. I could compromise on kop though.

P-edit Its really obvious bbt is tunneled but the thing I don't like is his read hasn't progressed on me at all and seems to basically be in his head and he doesn't want to discuss that his read on me is mostly paranoid.

I also know how tempting it is to be in the 'one scum one town' mindset, because I thought it about enchant and norwee day two. In fact bbt called me out on it. I'm no longer wedded to it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm also very not enthusiastic about an Kop wagon supported by Penguin and N_M