Open 862: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[PenguinPower]

[Bellaphant]

You seem sad enchant unvoted me, I want to know why..

[PenguinPower]

enchant was voting me

[Not_Mafia]

You seem sad enchant unvoted me, I want to know why..

I was happy Enchant unvoted Penguin cos I'm townreading Penguin

[Bellaphant]

Oh, sorry, I'm a vc behind. Anyway, guess the question still stands.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm going to try and read this game at some point.

Apologies for not being very active, legit hate playing this way.

[Not_Mafia]

Oh, sorry, I'm a vc behind. Anyway, guess the question still stands.

I think your play has been

fine

, moderately town looking but unremarkable. Right now you’re in my null bin but there other options I want to explore first cos I think you’ll be sorted quite nicely by VCA I’m the next day or two.

[Enchant]

I don't want touch Kop before massclaim for obvious reasons.

[Somnus]

I'm back from

picking up a gallon of milk

a busy couple days. I did re-read Froggo's ISO last night. Nothing remarkable. I'll actually provide some thoughts later tonight.

[Somnus]

Also of course Penguin is going to look at least somewhat town from their vote. That's the whole point of bussing, if an vote is made at the moment where anyone would say it looks like obvious bussing. It's failed it's purpose.
My argument is more that Penguin looked like he was informed of Jake's role beforehand, AKA scum partner. He always made sure to stay at the forefront in criticizing Jake, and their vote at the end was engineered to look town because that's the whole purpose.

I don't disagree with a lot of the posts you've made about Penguin recently. I'm never going to be able to give someone a hard town-read who is seemingly proud of the fact that they contribute very little in every game. I'm having a hard time following your thought-process overall in this game from a town perspective though.

For whatever it's worth, I actually do enjoy playing with you, regardless of what your alignment ends up being in this game.

Have we had a recent vc? I'm down to elim Jake.

Not yet, although people are wanting to eliminate me for reasons they won't let me decipher.

What do you mean? It seems pretty clear to me.
They think you have been focusing on the wrong things and now that you're more active. Not really giving any reads at all, except for one townread on Penguin maybe?

Jake/Goldfish + one more for scum team maybe?

I feel like all scum must be in Jake/Goldfish/Gamma/Enchant
Penguin has had some decent posts in this game actually.
N_M keeping up the gimmick for so long makes me think it is genuine.
BBT/Fun times not an concern.
Somnus town.
Bellaphant has felt townie this game.

Huh, guess i got some reads out after all. Just took some musing.

I should probably point out that Jake's slot is the only one in your POE listed above that you never voted for. I went through 5 or 6 of your scum games.

BORING META TALK WARNING:

I will acknowledge that you tend to go hard at bussing at least one partner at some point, but those games aren't ones that have 4-6 cops in them. And in a few of those games, you did constantly go after a scum partner like this, but either didn't vote for them, or voted for them later on when it looked like there was a good chance of being the elimination. I think you tend to be a lot more emotional as scum than you do as town as well. For some reason, in the current meta on this site, a lot of people ridiculously just associate emotion as a townie trait. I have no idea why.

I think Jake wagon is ok but i don't want any lim to go through today before this guy shows back up.
VOTE: Goldfish

Gamma what do you think is likelihood of an Enchant/Jake/Goldfish team?

The amount of contradictions coming out from Jake's mouth is funny...

I like that catchup, it made me think.

VOTE: Enchant

Gonna keep voting Enchant because this is unacceptable and i don’t see them changing.

That sort of thinking will cloud your judgement imo.
@Somnus

I don’t fully trust Jake to be clear, but i also really scumread the Enchant slot right now.

I’ll give my vote and if i should switch to Jake or not more thought later today if i have time. I feel like one of them is likely scum with this wagon composition.

Likelihood of both Enchant and Jake being town?

High.

How did you go from this to back to voting Jake?

Finding a team is hard enough with 1 already flipped scum.
Finding a team with 0 is not easy.
Criticizing because Jake isn’t presenting an exact scum team in their reads is bad.

This was your POE a little while ago: Jake/Goldfish/Gamma/Enchant

A decent chunk of time has passed since then, obviously. So yeah, I don't expect you to be married to that until the end of the game. The two that you want to focus on today are Bella and Penguin though. I don't know if you're right or wrong. But I want to know why, because abandoning that entire POE after a scum flip is a little bizarre to me.

[Somnus]

Kinda curious about something else, and it takes place between posts 1170 and 1190. Again, to quote 1170:

I feel like all scum must be in Jake/Goldfish/Gamma/Enchant
Penguin has had some decent posts in this game actually.
N_M keeping up the gimmick for so long makes me think it is genuine.
BBT/Fun times not an concern.
Somnus town.
Bellaphant has felt townie this game.

Huh, guess i got some reads out after all. Just took some musing.

I feel like all scum must be in Jake/Goldfish/Gamma/Enchant
Penguin has had some decent posts in this game actually.
N_M keeping up the gimmick for so long makes me think it is genuine.
BBT/Fun times not an concern.
Somnus town.
Bellaphant has felt townie this game.

Huh, guess i got some reads out after all. Just took some musing.

Gamma and Enchant are probably town.

Thanks for the reads though. Talk about the Fun Times and Bella town reads?

Bella i’m not really seeing their play as scummy, i think they’ve been pretty reasonable this game and seem genuinely curious about what is going on and trying to figure things out. A bit opposite of what Enchant has been doing.
Fun Times just has this very particular stubborn mood i don’t see scum having. Like they are vocal and they seem to be discussing together a lot and i think the Andante-Nancy interactions are well developed which tend to not be as much if it’s an scum hydra.
Basically i’m looking for very specific tells when it comes to reading an scum hydra, and i’m not really seeing that here.

Gamma what do you think is likelihood of an Enchant/Jake/Goldfish team?

Bella seems to be a pretty high town-read to you here, but again, I'll acknowledge it was quite a while ago. However, 20 game-posts and 4 hours after listing Gamma in your POE in 1170, you're asking Gamma if the exact solve in your POE sounds correct (except with Gamma removed)?

I'm trying to get a town thought-process out of some if this stuff and I'm having a hard time getting there, so if you can walk me through some of this stuff, maybe that would help me.

[Something_Smart]

VC 3.3

BlueBloodedToffee (2)- Bellaphant, Gamma Emerald
PenguinPower (2)- NorwegianboyEE, Kop
Kop (2)- PenguinPower, Not_Mafia
NorwegianboyEE (1)- BlueBloodedToffee

Not voting (2)- Somnus, Enchant

With 9 alive it takes 5 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2022-09-07 17:00:00)

Mod notes: I have a lot of things to do and I didn't do any of them today

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’ll get back to you Somnus. I really don’t feel well today.

[Enchant]

We have 6 days to do nothing and then turn in AAAAAAAA mode, where we just push ppl randomly.

[Bellaphant]

I don't understand this push on norwee, but I don't want to answer for them.

@enchant, any questions for me? Why did you unvote pp? I think it's a decent wagon.

[Enchant]

I don't understand this push on norwee, but I don't want to answer for them.

@enchant, any questions for me? Why did you unvote pp? I think it's a decent wagon.

I really don't see difference in which order we shred.

We have enough firepower to cover mafs with it, as long as we are right.


I will not support push on Kop/Somnus at all.
I am fine with NM/BBT as town, but i will keep watch.
I don't want eliminate Enchant.

Everyone else fair game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't want eliminate Enchant.

This is an unacceptable position. I can't believe you would say this.

[Somnus]

This is exciting. We could potentially see 3 or 4 prods at once by tomorrow.

[Not_Mafia]

I'm back from picking up a gallon of milk

Did you see my dad

[Somnus]

Yeah, he's just picking up a pack of smokes with Enchant's father. Should be back any year now.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: kop
Meh

[PenguinPower]

This is exciting. We could potentially see 3 or 4 prods at once by tomorrow.

That’s not exciting. Exciting would be seeing you lay down a vote.

[Somnus]

Haven't really been inspired to. There's been several slots who have been largely absent for the entirety of Day 3, and even when here, they're not providing much analysis.

[PenguinPower]

You know what helps with analysis?

[Somnus]

Yes. Providing thoughts and asking questions and not just laying down a naked vote.