Open 862: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[PenguinPower]

Incorrect!

[Somnus]

And Penguin, besides noting that Not_Mafia is playing a very different style than I think we were all expecting, where are you at with regards to some of the other players in the game?

absolutely nowhere except gamma seems too stiff, but that's probably town indicative.

So far in this game, you've basically said nothing. Or said stuff that sounds like it's saying something, but on closer inspection it's just as meaningless.

Welcome to every game ever with me if that’s your conclusion.

Maybe you should put more effort into your games if people are telling you always do nothing

[PenguinPower]

lol - that joke went over your head it seems.

[Not_Mafia]

Haven't really been inspired to. There's been several slots who have been largely absent for the entirety of Day 3, and even when here, they're not providing much analysis.

Why not push someone then

[PenguinPower]

And - tbf - I’ll give you partial credit as that was a correct response, just not the one we were looking for.

[Not_Mafia]

Yes. Providing thoughts and asking questions and not just laying down a naked vote.

They're not mutually exclusive

[Somnus]

This is good stuff. Much town.

[Somnus]

Haven't really been inspired to. There's been several slots who have been largely absent for the entirety of Day 3, and even when here, they're not providing much analysis.

Why not push someone then

See the previous page.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’ve been existing in an state of delirium these last day.
Nothing seems to be happening though? Ok, keep at it.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: penguin power the bbt thing isn't going to get resolved if they aren't here.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm here.

What is there to resolve?

[Bellaphant]

Enchant was a counter wagon to Jake and those wagons were very much 50/50 for what felt like a good % of the day.

No doubt scum tried to save Jake by voting Enchant.

And wouldn't scum vote Jake when it looked like it was for sure he would die?
Or do you seriously argue that me and Bella are scum and decided to keep voting Enchant, knowing Jake would flip and make our slots look awful. You're basically claiming that we are idiots.

But Penguin was the vote that tipped the balance towards Jake, if Penguin didn't vote there, the elimination probably would have ended up on Enchant

I don't think both of you are scum, I think exactly one of you is scum.

This is an illogical mindset. You're treating it as if it's fact that there has to be scum in me/Bella when that in itself is an fallacy because you're not considering the possibility that we could both be town.

These are basically my thoughts. I could compromise on kop though.

P-edit Its really obvious bbt is tunneled but the thing I don't like is his read hasn't progressed on me at all and seems to basically be in his head and he doesn't want to discuss that his read on me is mostly paranoid.

I also know how tempting it is to be in the 'one scum one town' mindset, because I thought it about enchant and norwee day two. In fact bbt called me out on it. I'm no longer wedded to it.

This, basically. I can't tell if your scum read on me feels weird because it's scummy (i'm leaning to this, mainly because it feels really stale/safe) or not. It feels a lot like you are pointing at 'generic Bella things ' and deciding they are scummy. On the other hand I think I'd probably give it more of a pass from someone else.

Either way my vote on you feels like a vanity wagon and this game needs progress

[Bellaphant]

Plus you wanted to elim me, my top town read and gamma, who I was hard tr-ing at day start but not so much now. It rang alarm bells.

[Bellaphant]

Real talk: i also thought you were trying to fake claim a guilty on me with your day start vote , which just felt really off: I was kinda waiting to see what you were gonna do with it, but then nothing happened.

Gammas votes today have been awful though

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Meh, I guess you're right in that I'm paranoid about you, I can't read you well at all. But I can only be paranoid if I am town and you don't seem to be town reading me so what's up with that?

My scum read on you has just kind of been there all game - hedgy reads (which we've been over) and general non-stances. Then I think it's very likely that in such a tight wagon vs wagon situation where one of them is scum, the other scum would try to save their buddy - especially as Jake's posting wasn't exactly screaming scum. One of you and Norwee are in prime position to be scum - I initially went with you because I can't really read you and Norwee felt town in the early game.

Then I remembered Norwee talking about how relaxed/jokey he is as scum and I started to re-eval the read. It helps that he was on the counter to Jake and I don't think his posting Todayh has been great at all.

Who is your top town read? Norwee? Gamma wanting to elim Enchant is scummy, Enchant is very likely town.

Not gonna lie, I kind of wanted it to look like a guilty, too. But you didn't react to it at all which I now find suspicious given I now know that you noticed it.

[Enchant]

Soooooooooooooooo.

My mind didn't change.

[Bellaphant]

I didnt have much to react to - and it had to be a reaction test. I wanted to see how you'd follow it up: it's a pressure move and then there was no pressure, so my reaction was mainly a shrug. I thought early in the day phase it was super Sus but you sort of not doing anything about it felt more town - why wouldn't you, as scum, make something either out of the move or even out of my non reaction. But then it kinda cycles back to 'he wasn't here', so it's not lock anything for me.

I've discussed why I think your reasons don't really translate - early alianna vote, more of a push on goldfish than I think would've been massively sensible as scum start of day two, I think my reads are fairly clear. The game being quite a f. Isn't helping though.

Norwee is my top town read, although I think somnus is lock town. I tr not mafia. I was really strongly tr-ing gamma but I'm not now at all. Im still in two minds about you and enchant.

Is there anything specific in norwee's posting today you can point to? Even post numbers? Their day one /early day two I scum read but I've found it better since!

[PenguinPower]

why am i scum bella?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You see what I mean Bella? You spend time talking about how Norwee is your top town read and then go on, in the very same post, to talk about how you scum read their Day One/Early Day Two... It's hedgy. How can he be your top town read when you have scum read a decent % of their play? This just reeks of leaving yourself opportunity to flip on a read should the situation arise.

And if you have scum read their play, like you say, you're literally talking about scum reading him at the same points as I am but you question me? It doesn't make sense.

[Bellaphant]

But it's true? I spent most of day two getting nothing out of the slot because of their fight with enchant. Then they stopped doing that and I've really vibes with their posting. This is clear and present in the thread.

Me asking you about your reasons for scum reading them is also about you and your thought process. It helps me understand you, mostly.

[Bellaphant]

@pp, I have no reason to tr you in your posting and your position around yesterday's wagons looks scummy.

[Bellaphant]

Also, you've ignored the bulk of my post to focus on me saying my read of norwee has evolved? I'm sure that's not the most interesting thing I said.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Then I remembered Norwee talking about how relaxed/jokey he is as scum and I started to re-eval the read. It helps that he was on the counter to Jake and I don't think his posting Todayh has been great at all.

This is going to sound really smug. But i am almost sure that if Jake was my partner yesterday i would saved them easily.
Again, being on an counterwagon to scum doesn't make someone scum. Faulty thinking. And very one-dimensional too, because scum can plan ahead and make sure they don't end up being on an counterwagon to scum because they'd be concerned about their image. I couldn't give care less i was on CW to Jake because i know i'm town and my play is justice.

[PenguinPower]

@pp, I have no reason to tr you in your posting and your position around yesterday's wagons looks scummy.

you should read your tr not_mafia's posting and refute that then because simply saying it looks scummy doesn't really mean much

[NorwegianboyEE]

You still have the power to join the right side, let us end this Penguin menace together.