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[humaneatingmonkey]

why is it off skitter

[skitter30]

I shall endeavor to read dats' iso tonight

The very vague bits that i read are scumpinging me but it wouldnt be fair to call that an actual sr or to vote him without doing the work first, esp. since i have nothing concrete to point to rn

But i am reminded of his last scumgame a bit

[skitter30]

It's not a good reason to vote him and it's weird to me that he jumped in to suggest that

@hem

[Datisi]

datisi where are you on this game

i haven't had time to sit down to digest this game properly, so i have a few vague reads that i wanna hold on for the time being and i'll be poking at shiny stuff in the meantime. my regular play will return tomorrow.

[GuiltyLion]

I mean relly has said a lot of stuff I agree with and has made sense and feels like he's pushing the game in a pro town direction.

Is he good enough to fool me as scum? Almost definitely! But I'm not sure how much use it is getting paranoid on d1 if I don't have a reason to do so

actually this reasoning applied to relly serves as a pretty good succinct explanation of why I'm TRing Ausuka lol. The back and forths with all of VPB, Datisi, marci, Ausuka's intent with all of their posts is extremely clear and I've been able to agree with (or at least understand) virtually every take they've given in the game. it's a holistic "complete absent of scumminess" read moreso than something I arrived at from a specific post or argument

[humaneatingmonkey]

datisi where are you on this game

i haven't had time to sit down to digest this game properly, so i have a few vague reads that i wanna hold on for the time being and i'll be poking at shiny stuff in the meantime. my regular play will return tomorrow.

looking forward to it

[humaneatingmonkey]

ari where are you on this game

[GuiltyLion]

It's not a good reason to vote him and it's weird to me that he jumped in to suggest that

@hem

frankly I don't think you understand me as a player at all if you genuinely think that it's weird that I would suggest that

Fire isn't using his vote to express a scumread nor steer the game towards eliminating someone he thinks is good to pressure or eliminate. To me that is functionally a cardinal sin in mafia and absolutely worth voting and pressuring him over. He may or may not be town doing that, but it absolutely merits a vote, especially early D1 when we don't have a lot of real info. And I have seen Fire actually try to play pro town in many games before so it's not like this is an RNG vote, I find it odd & off that I haven't vibed with anything he's said even once yet this game

[Irrelephant11]

RIP I was about to say we should start a counterwagon for the fb wagon and then when it's me

There isn't a wagon on you though?

(I was joking)

Yes agreed and I think that I think that Datisi pushing someone for their playstyle is scum-indicative for Datisi?? Also, notice that he's been silently ignoring my scumread on him because I stopped pushing him

how is what i'm pushing fire on his playstyle

also there's nothing to respond to you. you didn't make any egregious bad faith pushes on me, you're just voting me for not liking my tone and reads and whatever. like, why is the onus on me here to interact with you when you were the one going "i disagree with these reads!! i disagree with the pushes!!"

and yes. i'm bored of being pushed for the same bullshit and it not even being ai bullshit. who wouldn't be.

> "How is what I'm pushing fire on his playstyle"
>> this made me reread 721 and I'm realizing I didn't actually understand what you were saying until now and I guess I would no longer say you're pushing him for his playstyle actually. Ugh my scumread is fading, must stay, in the tunnel,,

> "nothing to respond to you"
>> idk you seem to think my points about you are weak so it's weird to me that you haven't, like, said that until I pointed out that you hadn't

[humaneatingmonkey]

the push seems kind of flimsy

i scumread scamper for this reason tho so it's weird that you townread it

scamper's early push on me felt so persistent i was wondering why he wanted me to be scum so much and now it's fizzled

[humaneatingmonkey]

play pro town in many games

fire only turns on after day 1

[Ausuka]

i think scamper as a scum player is probably more likely to be organised and make sure their pushes look Sensible and Towny compared to town scamper who is presumably just vibing and trying to find scum

[Irrelephant11]

I mean frick if Datisi is town who is even left to be scum??

Lion, Gamma, firebringer, marci??, Eiralox, Juice, Dunnstral oh okay there's more in this pile than I thought

[humaneatingmonkey]

his day ones are always

enchanted

[Aristeia]

I'm currently waiting for:

Spoiler: stuff

Datisi to quit his job and obvtown his butt off

Scamper to give me a winning POE again

Skitter to have time to play

Juice to get replaced.

Dunnstral to post something useful.

Firebringer to randomly come up with a hero solve.

VP Baltar to fight with me about something really stupid

I think we're probably overposted for this game size at two days so I'm just kind of taking it easy and seeing what develops.

How are you feeling about it?

[Datisi]

it doesn't feel like he's trying to pump up his posts with extra emotion or extra thoughts

hm perceptive. I was really hoping to catch scumtisi D1 but maybe I'll just townlean him now and then vig him later out of paranoia

+townpoints to fire for the depth of this read on datisi

VOTE: aristeia

I read "extra emotions" as like "extra positivity and/or paranoia" which I agreed with. If fire means something else than maybe I don't like his point as much

I see him being defensive and tonally weird (like kinda all over the place, and then asserting he's "bored" which doesn't match his tone or what I would expect towntisi to feel in his first!! town game!! in forever!! if town. Compare to fireisredsir who's having a blast with the playerlist regardless of alignment)

ok irrel, you got my attention now, how do these two points coexist?

(also like. i don't care about arguing "why do you dislike my reads" because it's too early in the game and any halfdecent scum player can make up reasons to dislike them, so it's not gonna let me read you and it's just gonna bloat up the thread.)

[humaneatingmonkey]

How are you feeling about it?

just trying to vibe until i can get a solid feel on every slot

[Datisi]

if i don't see at least one ari/baltar shitfight this game, i want my money back

[Irrelephant11]

I think we're probably overposted for this game size at two days

true

it doesn't feel like he's trying to pump up his posts with extra emotion or extra thoughts

hm perceptive. I was really hoping to catch scumtisi D1 but maybe I'll just townlean him now and then vig him later out of paranoia

+townpoints to fire for the depth of this read on datisi

VOTE: aristeia

I read "extra emotions" as like "extra positivity and/or paranoia" which I agreed with. If fire means something else than maybe I don't like his point as much

I see him being defensive and tonally weird (like kinda all over the place, and then asserting he's "bored" which doesn't match his tone or what I would expect towntisi to feel in his first!! town game!! in forever!! if town. Compare to fireisredsir who's having a blast with the playerlist regardless of alignment)

ok irrel, you got my attention now, how do these two points coexist?

(also like. i don't care about arguing "why do you dislike my reads" because it's too early in the game and any halfdecent scum player can make up reasons to dislike them, so it's not gonna let me read you and it's just gonna bloat up the thread.)

I feel like these can coexist? Like you're not adding extra positivity or fake paranoia into your posts to look extra towny, but on the other hand your tone has been unlike what I would expect from town you because you're not having a blast itt oh I see they do kinda contradict

Stop you're killing my entire scumread on you in like three posts

[humaneatingmonkey]

one tinfoil hat read i have with marci x ausuka (sorry for bringing it up) is town!ausuka prompted her to be aggressive so scum!marci overcompensated by being too aggressive and the disparity of delivery-necessity comes from marci faking her aggression.

but my current theory is marci wouldn't opt to do that as scum (be overaggressive) and im currently weighing the probabilities of both.

[VP Baltar]

Elephant is asking consistent questions and pushing datisi reasonably seriously, which is probably unlikely to come from scum early game.

do you think he's pushing me for reasons that are actually any good

Eh, I they are OK, not great. I think he's right that you're reasonably flat so fat this game, but I think that could be RL related and I dont want to yeet you rn.

I do agree with his "if you worry about dats, you should push there" because I've fallen victim to the opposite of that.

Can I ask why you get annoyed with people pushing you? You seem kind of more frustrated than i might expect. It's to be expected as a good player to some degree isn't it?

Hell, I think I'm just OK, and I get wagoned in like literally every game I'm in.

[humaneatingmonkey]

so i still have half a french press of coffee in the kitchen that i made 24 hours ago, and i need coffee.

if i want coffee, i'd have to wash the press and i hate washing dishes.
should i just drink the old coffee?

[GuiltyLion]

I was actually just on VPB and my townlean on VPB has mostly faded at this point. Could go either way. Datisi feels like a lightning rod choice bound to pull in a lot of attention, alternatively VPB might be an interesting wagon as someone sitting closer to most people's null piles. So uh yeah, could go either way lol

ever since that VPB post I called out I'm just reflexively scumreading everything he's posting now

[T3]

VC 1.6
Firebringer (5): Ydrasse, VP Baltar, Datisi, fireisredsir, GuiltyLion
Datisi (3): humaneatingmonkey, Ausuka, Irrelephant11
Aristeia (1): Nero Cain
humaneatingmonkey (1): Aristeia, Eiralox
skitter30 (1): Firebringer
GuiltyLion (1): skitter30
Irrelephant11: scamper
Not voting (7): Juice, Gamma Emerald, marcistar, xofelf, Dunnstral
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-09-08 20:36:00). With 20 alive, 11 is needed to lim and 10 to no lim.

[GuiltyLion]

Ari why is your vote still on HEM