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[VP Baltar]

if i don't see at least one ari/baltar shitfight this game, i want my money back

I was hoping we could tag team Nero and make this a truly memorable experience for everyone. Maybe Mathblade can replace juice

[humaneatingmonkey]

Mathblade should replace Juice

[fireisredsir]

im trying very hard not to scumread irrel here bc i know it's for exactly the same reasons i wrongly scumread him last time we played

also hem can be town, actually, probably

also i wanted to wagon datisi bc i think it's a bad idea to let him go the whole game without pressure but im sorry i lean town on him im not good enough at doing fake pushes for pressure i think it would go badly

also hbd ydra

[Aristeia]

Ari why is your vote still on HEM

I haven't seen anything more interesting to do with it yet

do you have something you would like me to help you with?

[GuiltyLion]

Ari why is your vote still on HEM

I haven't seen anything more interesting to do with it yet

do you have something you would like me to help you with?

you don't think wagoning either Fire or Datisi would be more interesting?

[Aristeia]

not really.

was thinking about voting for fire last night and skimmed a few of his games and decided it wasn't really worth the effort

[fireisredsir]

what were you looking for when you skimmed his games?

[Aristeia]

mostly just checking if he's claimed scum as town recently[he hasn't]

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

i missed this

what's good eiralox

[Ydrasse]

can someone summarize the like culmination of datisi scumreads to me my brain is smooth

[Gamma Emerald]

HEM what are your thoughts on me rn?

when have you asked me this??

You said your read on me was pending my read on you
I gave thoughts on you, you should be able to form a read now.
VOTE: humaneatingmonkey
Feels like you’re just saying things for the sake of it and not expecting to get called on them

[Gamma Emerald]

mostly just checking if he's claimed scum as town recently[he hasn't]

I remember he did it in anything upick

[Aristeia]

can someone summarize the like culmination of datisi scumreads to me my brain is smooth

Datisi is guilty until proven innocent because he is a serial offender

[Aristeia]

mostly just checking if he's claimed scum as town recently[he hasn't]

I remember he did it in anything upick

that is quite a long time ago and I think he was hydraing with a massive troll back then

[humaneatingmonkey]

which ones feel like that

[Gamma Emerald]

i think scamper as a scum player is probably more likely to be organised and make sure their pushes look Sensible and Towny compared to town scamper who is presumably just vibing and trying to find scum

This might be a good point?

[Gamma Emerald]

mostly just checking if he's claimed scum as town recently[he hasn't]

I remember he did it in anything upick

that is quite a long time ago and I think he was hydraing with a massive troll back then

yes and?

[Aristeia]

so it would not be a good game to use as a comparison to his play in this one because its

(1) a long time ago so he's different now

and

(2) he was hydraing with someone so the iso isn't clean and they were also goofing off a lot because his hydra partner is clearly not a good influence on him.

[Ausuka]

can someone summarize the like culmination of datisi scumreads to me my brain is smooth

I didn't like the gl townread earlier and it felt like he was cleverly defused, I didn't really enjoy him jumping on the fb wagon after vpb did since his baltar push is the only thing I actually liked from him, and the push on Marci feels slightly meh? Like, maybe I should be avoiding this subject with a ten foot pole, but I think after seeing Marci blow up about what I said earlier he probably is less likely to press her on something very similar as town because it risks clogging up the thread, and I'm not sure "Marci would push datisi as town" is like, especially believable reasoning?

I also think Marci's reaction to me earlier was towny because I think she is probably less likely to react to my push like that if I am correct and am surprised dats doesn't think so.

(also I think dats is like, more likely to be like this tonally as scum? no one likes being pushed really so this isn't my main point, but I think he's kind of felt like he doesn't want to be doing this since early on?)

Also, happy birthday!

[Eiralox]

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

i missed this

what's good eiralox

>.<


monke

UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

It was less than a year ago >:/

[Gamma Emerald]

so it would not be a good game to use as a comparison to his play in this one because its

(1) a long time ago so he's different now

and

(2) he was hydraing with someone so the iso isn't clean and they were also goofing off a lot because his hydra partner is clearly not a good influence on him.

Lmao if you think FB isn’t a regular troll you are sorely mistaken!

[Ydrasse]

(i feel awkward not reply to well wishes lol so ty everyone! <3)

[marcistar]

Related question, what are your feelings on the elephant in the room?

OG i think elephant is townie because their posts are geared towards solving, i still think so. i think maybe elephant is the most townie seeming person on pl rn, but i have had a few doubts but i choose to ignore those!

[scamper]

i will get to explaining the relly vote when i have time to do so, but i wanted to see the response i'd get from dropping that vote first rather than all-out casing him.

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i will say this wrt datisi: i dont think the case against him is all that compelling. i think a lot of the arguments against him amount to "vibes seem awkward" and "too defensive", and i feel like i have seen town!tisi get accused of this all the time on day 1 of games. hell, ive done it against him myself as scum.

this might be ironic considering i literally just lost a game to scum!tisi, but in that game a lot of the reads he gave on day 1 in that game just made absolutely no sense, and i havent got that feeling from him here. i thought his vote on fb was entirely reasonable and there was a decent thought process behind it. the reads hes had so far have all *made sense* to me

i wuldnt say im exactly townreading him rn but im not interested in wagoning him

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the rest of this stuff is unimportant unless you are the person i am talking to so feel free to skip it

Fwiw I tend to agree scamper voting relly is +town just because the push seems kind of flimsy. Even if it could attract positive attention, it seems risky to poke the bear. I'm not sure how scamper plays scum and it might be he just understands the game better or something but from what I could tell in the scum game I played with him, I think he was fairly careful and like manipulative, minimising risk, all that stuff?

i think scamper as a scum player is probably more likely to be organised and make sure their pushes look Sensible and Towny compared to town scamper who is presumably just vibing and trying to find scum

tbf in that scum game i voted crescent and datisi day 1 who were certainly not 'easy' pushes, altho i dont really remember why, a lot of the moves i make as scum are intuitive rather than calculated, i just do what makes sense to me in the moment

the push seems kind of flimsy

i scumread scamper for this reason tho so it's weird that you townread it

scamper's early push on me felt so persistent i was wondering why he wanted me to be scum so much and now it's fizzled

do u expect me to hold on strongly to a read i had in the first 24 hours of the game?

Scamper to give me a winning POE again

tbh on day 1 of a 20 player game that is a big ask, i would need 9-10 TRs and i have maybe half that i feel good about rn, not that id really expect a game to be that easy right when it starts. rn theres a lot of people im unsure on and thats not just the people who havent posted much. i will say that in a game like this, absent meta im going to assume people have a decent scum range so im not gunna give ppl credit just for "looking solvy" etc. that was a bit of what my remark earlier was about. its possible this game really is an "oops, no effort" scumteam, but mathematically its improbable and i dont like to play assuming that.