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[scamper]

DeasVail - lean town

y?

i think the way he backed off on his scumread of you was towny because it felt like he was really evaluating your push back against him. i think the reason for his datisi townread in 994 makes sense to me. 1002 looks like genuine analysis to me. in general i find his thoughts on the game believable and he looks like hes authentically trying to scumhunt.

[Nero Cain]

I sorta think that Eiralox might try harder if he was scum but I guess it's not impossible that he just nopes out of the thread.

[scamper]

I sorta think that Eiralox might try harder if he was scum but I guess it's not impossible that he just nopes out of the thread.

its kinda hard to say without knowing his scum meta. i just think as it is its a boring wagon since flipping him has 0 accountability. if he keeps active lurking i would support policy flipping him but its still only been 2 rl days

[humaneatingmonkey]

I count 5 reads out of 19 players. Zero scum, or anything generally that doesn't have the flavor of lukewarm milk. It's a pointless list to make other than it looks like effort. I know you're better than that.

to view it as 5/19 is a choice. first of all, if we're using the same unfair standards as you're putting in through, it would be 6/19. second, i dont understand, what would you have expected me to do? third, do you have better reads at that point in the game?

nero said i wasn't doing anything so i showed him where i'm at. why should i make a list later?

[VP Baltar]

why should i make a list later?

Because it might contain useful information later about your viewpoint later.


In other news, I agree with scamper that the Erialox wagon seems Zzzzzz.

Vote FB.

[VP Baltar]

Because it might contain useful information later about your viewpoint

later

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Maybe I am a bot

[humaneatingmonkey]

please answer the other questions they're not rhetorical

[VP Baltar]

I probably didn't have better reads. I would have just said that.

[scamper]

Guiltylion my friend and buddy we only barely crossed the 48 hours of this game being live

yeah and? why is that reason for your vote to be a joke vote? you truly don't have any inklings of suspicion/scumread on anybody?

And even the game you referenced earlier of me being so town, I am a million percent sure I wasn't off to the races in 48 hours. Because I don't have a scum read or person I want to dig in on to vote. Am i not allowed to joke vote

Only person i had suspicion on earlier was VP Baltar for his earlier tone/vibe that seemed out of sync but he dropped for me awhile ago so I got no one im that suspicious of right now or want to do some digging on. If you want to talk about specific people we can but nothing is tickling my fancy.

Like you literally nailed 3 of the 4 scum by post 600 24 hours into the game so yeah I want that energy again here and you're not giving it

Obviously some town games will be better than others but you're not even trying yet and I'm asking you to try

my friend, if you think im scum because im not trying or doing anything please continue voting me.
If you are voting me and trying to argue with me to try to get engage me in the game. You are going to be left disappointed.

I understand you want me to do more. I will, at my pace and when the game gets me to that zone. You can't force it you are just going to get me mad and annoyed at you and then we will argue for pages eating up game space in which you could actually be doing something productive you want to do.

i know realistically this kind of response is nai but i didnt really get scumvibes from this

[marcistar]

I probably didn't have better reads. I would have just said that.

can u give me some reads so i can copy them

[VP Baltar]

I probably didn't have better reads. I would have just said that.

can u give me some reads so i can copy them

FB scum. Scamper maybe scum (but I should actually read this elephant case). Ausuka maybe scum. Probably one in the super lurk squad or a deep wolf, you can pick your favorite there.

Game solve, lock it in.

[fireisredsir]

i think his push on eiralox is icky, and thats true regardless of eiralox's alignment

i agree with your point that eiralox is likely to be one of the lim candidates here regardless of alignment. and i get that it's an easy push to make

but from what i read of their past games they seemed like someone who as town would actually have strong opinions if they got engaged in the game (i disagree with your assessment that they would always struggle here to enter the game) and so i wanted to see if i felt any of that town energy when i did try to engage them

and i think their response didn't have any of that. which upped the chance of them being scum for me. so i wanted to call for a wagon, not to see how they would respond to it bc they were going to sleep, but to see how the thread would respond

isn't doing that useful, and valuable, especially if they actually are scum, but even if they're town? see who white knights, see who jumps on a LHF push, etc? sitting on firebringer was getting us nowhere. imo it moved the game a bit forward when it was feeling stagnant

its true tho that something like your irrel case is, like, *better* bc it's more interesting, but i didn't have one of those, so shrug. speaking of tho, i will prob have some thoughts on that once i digest it more

[scamper]

I probably didn't have better reads. I would have just said that.

can u give me some reads so i can copy them

FB scum. Scamper maybe scum (but I should actually read this elephant case). Ausuka maybe scum. Probably one in the super lurk squad or a deep wolf, you can pick your favorite there.

Game solve, lock it in.

these scum reads are so bad i want to say they must come from town

[scamper]

do u scumread me for reasons other than scumreading irrelephant?

[VP Baltar]

do u scumread me for reasons other than scumreading irrelephant?

I haven't had a chance to iso you to articulate it to myself, but I haven't felt interested in much you've posted this game, and I can usually find something. I do think you're pushback on the Eira wagon was good though, so maybe I just need to spend more time directly involved with you.

But yeah, you're kinda wallpaper to me at this point, and that's not great since you've been posting somewhat regularly for dozens of pages.

[VP Baltar]

*your

[GuiltyLion]

sure, i welcome thoughts. tell me im being a conf-biased dummy if you must

I guess my main feeling is that it's a good case in that if I'm looking for a deepscum pulling the wool over my eyes, your arguments would have me looking at irrelephant, but they aren't persuasive enough to make me actually want to vote/eliminate relly first here, especially before we get through some of the slots that are a lot more conventionally disengaged/scummy. it's ultimately still not too hard for me to imagine his ISO coming from town

first wrt to the stuff I liked from him, I thought his first push on me was earnest - scum would know that I'm town here and so I don't think they'd be as likely to push a sort of meta "you feel different than I remember you" type of argument since they'd know from the start it's incorrect and I don't know if they'd be observant enough to feel any differences in that case. I also kinda liked how his vote evolved from Datisi->Ari->Datisi again, that sort of movement makes me feel like he's not trying to stick to an agenda so much as organically trying to find a vote he likes

I like your observation that his play has been all vibes-based so far, and your summary of his Datisi read made me catch a minor oddity in that he didn't like me for being too harsh/negative, but then yet also suspects Datisi for being too nice. but then I started thinking that actually feels consistent with a player who is looking at if he likes people's vibes individually and if they align with his expectations for them, rather than someone trying to enact some kind of Consistent Logical Standard in how he's approaching every player. Also I thought his Ari townread was townie (874), I don't agree with the read (I think scum!Ari could fake that) but I feel scum is less likely to reverse their projected read over something "trivial" like that, like I think scum wouldn't think that's generally worth pivoting to a townread, it just narrows a future trajectory he could go down, Ari isn't really universally townread or taking over the game either

overall I guess my tl;dr is I think you are picking up on some valid impressions (not very logically rigorous reasoning, most of his reads are 'vibes' on more active players and don't hold up to real scrutiny), but then you're assuming that means he's scum putting on a front to appear amicable and townie rather than town not trying too hard and just being authentically vibey, and I don't know if I feel compelled to prefer the former explanation over the latter. I'm definitely more wary of Irrelephant now, and I think as the game narrows in focus and we start to have real data and associatives he'll absolutely need to flesh out his reads beyond what he's given, but I don't think he'd make a good wagon here yet, esp not over slots that aren't doing jack

but we may also have slightly different play styles in that I like to weed through the lolcat slots first and then try to sort the harder reads when we have more info, I don't trust my ability to nail a scummer with deep range on D1 and the consequences of getting that wrong are worse than getting limbait wrong

[GuiltyLion]

i think his push on eiralox is icky, and thats true regardless of eiralox's alignment

and I think my thing with this is

fireisred clearly did his homework looking at past Eiralox games, and he couldn't have anticipated the reaction he got from 1176 and 1189? Like if he's scum wanting to steer his narrative towards an Eira miselim, he got lucky that Eira reacted in a way he could then later push, it's not something he could premeditate

[Ydrasse]

me falling off this game hard so fast

something something if fire ever flips mafia guiltylion's a wolf

[GuiltyLion]

fireisred or firebringer?

[scamper]

do u scumread me for reasons other than scumreading irrelephant?

I haven't had a chance to iso you to articulate it to myself, but I haven't felt interested in much you've posted this game, and I can usually find something. I do think you're pushback on the Eira wagon was good though, so maybe I just need to spend more time directly involved with you.

But yeah, you're kinda wallpaper to me at this point, and that's not great since you've been posting somewhat regularly for dozens of pages.

sounds like a u problem and not a me problem. i have been deliberately a bit limited in my involvement but i think i should be readable as town anyway.

overall I guess my tl;dr is I think you are picking up on some valid impressions (not very logically rigorous reasoning, most of his reads are 'vibes' on more active players and don't hold up to real scrutiny), but then you're assuming that means he's scum putting on a front to appear amicable and townie rather than town not trying too hard and just being authentically vibey, and I don't know if I feel compelled to prefer the former explanation over the latter. I'm definitely more wary of Irrelephant now, and I think as the game narrows in focus and we start to have real data and associatives he'll absolutely need to flesh out his reads beyond what he's given, but I don't think he'd make a good wagon here yet, esp not over slots that aren't doing jack

but we may also have slightly different play styles in that I like to weed through the lolcat slots first and then try to sort the harder reads when we have more info, I don't trust my ability to nail a scummer with deep range on D1 and the consequences of getting that wrong are worse than getting limbait wrong

understood and recognized, its just that (imo) killing people just for not playing isnt likely to produce results better than random chance when theyre, like, super inactive. the only player i would really suggest is "conventionally scummy" is fb and even then im cold on the prospect of voting him.

[Firebringer]

fireisred or firebringer?

don't think ydra even knows im here

[VP Baltar]

sounds like a u problem and not a me problem. i have been deliberately a bit limited in my involvement but i think i should be readable as town anyway

What have you done that only comes from town you?

[Ydrasse]

was fireisred because of last posts

brain feels smooth whenever open thread

day one hatred

[Aristeia]

was fireisred because of last posts

brain feels smooth whenever open thread

day one hatred