True, I had switched to Kuti solve based off of wifom but her thought process reads really pure. I really didn’t feel that way with RR but they never tried to vote for scum or ANYONE after d2. Ari’s thought process really doesn’t line up with an agenda like agreeing with me that 4/5 scum on Vivax doesn’t make sense, yet she still nevertheless throws RR into the pit? Why?In post 1745, fireisredsir wrote:im also not really sure if scum ari floats the idea of sheeping me on kuti and then turns around and keeps pushing hard for dann
but it is true that her big posts on why we should vote dann and why kuti was town came right as it felt like i was starting to get through to GL, and the loki switches back to kuti, and suddenly kuti might be the lim
so it is exactly perfect timing for scum to come in big and take control of the thread to drag things back towards dann. so that is still concerning for me, but it's not enough
Was she scum positioning to defend her buddy Roden, not thinking about how it then wouldn’t make any sense to throw RR in there with her or just town re-evaluating her solve?
My thinking is that scum would already have this planned out and scum!Ari would find some other reason why Roden didn’t fit.
What bothers me most about all of the scum flips save Bell, is that none of them ever voted for the scumflip at a time where it would have been helpful to actually influencing the vote and that also applies to RR. Both Roden and RR expressed the correct reads on (for Roden: d2 & 3, for RR: d3 & 4) but either failed to strongly influence the vote or place a definitive vote where it could optimally impact the vote. But RR had absolutely no problem with either putting a definitive vote on both Vivax and Dann. Ari otoh, clearly played a lion’s share of the role in bringing about a Kitty flip.
Then there’s the clear differences in her town vs scumgame. I also really don’t see why scum!Ari pushes town!RR to vote Vulture, because doing so would have made them look really good and their vote wasn’t even necessary to achieve that vote.
Of course, paranoia over Ari being so wrong on both Dann and Roden but you, me and GL all were also wrong but her thought process was very believable and she gave you carte blanche on Bell vote d3. Why doesn’t scum!her just throw in you, me or GL into the pit with Bell then instead of furtive? If she’s scum thinking Bell has a real chance against furtive or she’s sacificing him, then how does any of that make sense, right?
So my argument comes down to Ari’s thought process if scum involves playing 3D chess or she’s probably just town. There’s a strong nuance to her reads involves believable solving. In that scumgame I linked, she wasn’t even capable of even closely mimicking that, in it she just directed her focus to tearing down others’ attempts to solve and pushed them. Then there’s the argument that she didn’t need to hardbus Kitty because had Vivax got run up instead, scum and town would be even and the game would now be 2-1, instead of 2-2 and scum could win without the entire team being put through the gauntlet, so that d1 Kitty flip put scum at a clear disadvantage - one more test for them to pass.
I think the only reason Bell voted like town was because his scumgame was so weak, scum was counting on town ignoring Bell’s wooden posting and instead focusing on his voting.
Now had I stayed on Vivax instead of jumpinv off, who knows what could have happened? Had Dann not been haard opposed to his wagon and Ari not hard driving a Kitty lim?
I think you wouldn’t even had three scum on Vivax is actual towncred was the goal but scum can lose even if two teammates look locktown, so towncred matters far less than losing points.
