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[Datisi]

GL walked back a "cop crumb" and i think scum who would have dropped something like that would have made it more ambiguous or walked back on it later in the game.

idk, i can totally see scum!guiltylion making a post that has the word "cop" in it, then realizing that, and being like "oh shit, what if when i claim xyz people point at this post and go 'is this you softing cop, gl?' fuck damage control gogogo" so idk i think it's nai overall

[Datisi]

i have a datisi - deas partner link theory

why

i know the answer is prob gonna be "he's defending you" but *why*

i had a fun theory of guilty and baltar being scum/scum, but i'm starting to think i was wrong on it and i'm sad now

actually no, guilty does theater w buddies early, nvm, tinfoil saved

King if you’re talking about your two scum partners

if i were scum with both gl and vpb, the game would've been at 200+ pages by now

Am I dumb for thinking that Datisi expertly defusing my scumread on him is a reason to scumread him? Probably I’m dumb for thinking that.

reading through scamper's 1291, at least the parts that relate to irrel's read on me, i feel like he's put a lot of what i was vaguely feeling into words. because what i have been feeling about irrel's read on me is that it doesn't interally *make sense*. like, he said he was kind of townreading me for not being ~extra~, but then later calls me out for not being happy. he completely misunderstands my firebringer push. and even after i call out these things, which are very easy to call out, he goes "oh no, i'm not scumreading datisi anymore... no ahah wait i am!" like how is me doing those things supposed to be scum-indicative? the only explanation i can think of is that irrel thinks i'm *completely incapable* as a town player, but i don't feel like that's a reasonable thought for anyone to have?

like, it feels like he's tryign to give off an appearance of a tunnelled townie, but... he doesn't actually have good reasons to tunnell me.

[Datisi]

Datisi - null

i feel like you said earlier that you had a null on me until i did stuff? in the previous post, you mention how irrel doesn't comment on any of the "actual reads" i've given... do you have any opinion on them?

Ausuka maybe scum.

...what the fuck did i miss

(also please tell me you have actual townreads, because what)

i also dont ever try to intervene in the ausuka/marci feud here as scum, even if ultimately people conclude that its tvt letting it disrupt the thread as long as possible is pro-scum.

making a note to myself to revisit how you looked at your disrupting of ausuka/ari in the recent micro

ok, caught up
gonna do something else for a while now
probably gonna be around tho if anyone wants to chat

[Nero Cain]

Ausuka and marci gt into a fight, now ausuka be lurkin

[Datisi]

aususka

(for legal reasons, this is a joke)

[scamper]

I know you'll disagree with me and think its silly of me to even entertain the idea but what if he's just scum that couldn't maintain a push on me? I think I get shit pushed by scum fairly often. Like I just don't believe that he was honestly scumreading me for 243. 968 felt like a non sequitur and it was disappointing that he couldn't/wouldn't state these other reasons he had. I also really didn't like his complaint about me not engaging with elf more. They said their piece and they'd get back to me on their DV read and there wasn't really a need for me to continue to push there until they got back. So I thought that was a fairly silly comment to make.

Obviously, town do reset but de-escalation is a thing. I kinda think that town are more likely to be confident or more tunnely with their pushes so I'm not sure if I really buy into the "town are going to be more liely to reset." (I know you maybe aren't making that exact argument but its pretty close. Or are you saying that resetting is towny SPECIFICALLY for DV?) There wasn't going to be enough traction on me and DV would have to stich his neck out and I'm not sure if he'd do that.

I'll give it a look over at somepoint but in our last game where he pushed me as scum (we were both town) he didn't reset despite my pushback.

nah i dont think its silly, i mean its certainly possible im being overly generous in my read and thats why its only a lean. none of the stuff i said is, like, a hard towntell, i just havent felt the things you have felt. i think youre more bothered by him voting u than i am, for obvious reasons that i understand. comparing to your last game isnt necessarily valid because its possible he learned from it and is trying to be more conscientious. i think specifically the manner in which he reset felt real, not that resetting is itself inherently townie or w/e. ill give a look to the stuff youre talking about but i havent seen anything from dv that felt off to me

[GuiltyLion]

ALSO this whole positioning about baltar feels like. "yes i am voting other people. baltar is scummy tho. like totally scunmmy. but im not. voting there. hehe. like i theoretically COULD but i am not but he's totally scummy heheheheheheheheh"

If you wanna vote Baltar out today then let's do it. I'll join you.

no one else is voting there currently so I'm not. You should be familiar with how I play to understand that? Why are you pushing this associative idea and yet voting neither of us? People are voting me, why not join them here?

And I don't think you understood my point, I know Baltar was joking with the original shitfight comment, it's just the "lol I should do this, oh but jk guys I wouldn't do that because that would be Anti-Town and I am Town" shtick that gives me a bad LAMIST vibe. I didn't say he seriously suggested that he should, but he IS seriously suggesting that he isn't because he's just a Townie Trying to Do Useful Pro-Town Things

[GuiltyLion]

@guiltylion, isn't one of the tells that you used to catch scum at some point like, when they say "i am suspecting x but i wanna see [thing that would make me no longer suspect x]" or something along those lines? like when they telegraph what they are looking for?

Mm I think yeah that's generally scummy, but specifically when it's like a threat of a future scumread. Not the same as saying "hey, you're not trying, please try, I can't townread you if you don't play".

Also you were in HDP. Do you not feel how different FB feels here? Are you good just chalking that entirely up to him being busy?

[scamper]

Falling behind, had some specific thoughts, and goals for people to iso to unblend them from everybody else tomorrow. I've got some brand new pain meds to try making existing be less garbage, and I'm hopeful I'll accomplish more then.

To keep me accountable as well as my own notes, I wanna iso:
scamper
Ausuka
fireisredsir
humaneatingmonkey

I also would love to hear more from Dunnstral as that's somebody I've played before so I have past gut to compare to.

is there a reason i am one of those names?

[GuiltyLion]

his trajectory from

joking

that he should shitfight with Nero

Datisi can you confirm you did see the word "joking" my post here?

[Datisi]

ALSO this whole positioning about baltar feels like. "yes i am voting other people. baltar is scummy tho. like totally scunmmy. but im not. voting there. hehe. like i theoretically COULD but i am not but he's totally scummy heheheheheheheheh"

If you wanna vote Baltar out today then let's do it. I'll join you.

no one else is voting there currently so I'm not. You should be familiar with how I play to understand that? Why are you pushing this associative idea and yet voting neither of us? People are voting me, why not join them here?

And I don't think you understood my point, I know Baltar was joking with the original shitfight comment, it's just the "lol I should do this, oh but jk guys I wouldn't do that because that would be Anti-Town and I am Town" shtick that gives me a bad LAMIST vibe. I didn't say he seriously suggested that he should, but he IS seriously suggesting that he isn't because he's just a Townie Trying to Do Useful Pro-Town Things

not really. i don't townread him yet, but he's a "scumread by default until i start townreading him" read for me, so that's not a good metric for early game.

i am aware how you play, i still thought your post around him was off. and because i don't think that my associate reads on day one are actually hugely above rand in accuracy? like, just because i noticed two people playing weirdly around eachother, i'm not gonna be voting there just *for that* because that's generally does not produce good results.

and i feel like i've seen town-him do stuff like that sometimes. which doesn't make it townie, but it's not a point that wins me over. and i'm aware that you *know* he wasn't seriously trying to suggest a shitfight (i think everyone knows that), but the decision to include that post felt off to me, like you were trying to artificially increase the validity of your point, but including that post did not do so at all.

@guiltylion, isn't one of the tells that you used to catch scum at some point like, when they say "i am suspecting x but i wanna see [thing that would make me no longer suspect x]" or something along those lines? like when they telegraph what they are looking for?

Mm I think yeah that's generally scummy, but specifically when it's like a threat of a future scumread. Not the same as saying "hey, you're not trying, please try, I can't townread you if you don't play".

Also you were in HDP. Do you not feel how different FB feels here? Are you good just chalking that entirely up to him being busy?

not indefinitely, but i know some of my games are better than others, and i imagine that's true for other people, so i'm okay with giving him a bit of time. i was in HDP, you know how strongly i was townreading him there, i still have expectations.

his trajectory from

joking

that he should shitfight with Nero

Datisi can you confirm you did see the word "joking" my post here?

yes; see above.

[GuiltyLion]

Eh ok

So if you're giving FB more time, what's your vote doing just sitting there on him still. Any interest in Eiralox?

[Datisi]

not really, that's also a slot i wanna see do more by themselves before i start pressuring there.

if i am gonna vote someone else right this second, it's gonna be irrel, but i was planning to look at the game more holistically before i swapped my vote elsewhere.

but if i'm taking the time to type this post, might as well. VOTE: irrelephant

[Ausuka]

Ausuka and marci gt into a fight, now ausuka be lurkin

i mean, the fight did decrease my motivation a lot. if I'm scum for that, whatever

[Ausuka]

eiralox votes seem wasted bcuz they arent around/going to be to engage or do anything w the pressure?

day still long return there later imo

agree w/ this take

[Nero Cain]

I don't think I was calling you scum just that you kinda disappeared.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Irrelephant11

[Ausuka]

re: eiralox, my impression of him from looing at his other games is that hes slow to form reads and i wuld sort of expect him to struggle in a game like this regardless of alignment. i dont think the tone in response to being voted is inherently ai and hes kind of a predictable/default kill in a high posting game with more well known players.


i dont think the reasons given for him being scum are, like, especially damning but wouldnt be shocked if he was scum, its just not that interesting to me rn. either he starts contributing eventually or he doesnt and he dies.

this basically. i have a similar opinion about the eiralox wagon as the fb wagon

[GuiltyLion]

My thing is that I think wagoning a player like Eiralox is not useless for evaluating other players in the game

Even if they're town, then scum is in a weird spot not knowing if Eiralox will come back and suddenly start towning it up, vs continue to be a potential miselim. Getting a sense of people's willingness to vote there is interesting to me, and more interesting than just discussing reads in a general sense imo

[Ausuka]

FTR this is the list I called out

Ausuka - likely town
scamper - poe
Juice - waiting for arrival
Datisi - poe
humaneatingmonkey - town ofc
Aristeia - poe
Firebringer - pending to mid-game
Gamma Emerald - pending read on me
Nero Cain - poe
Eiralox - poe
fireisredsir - probably town
GuiltyLion - poe
VP Baltar - poe
marcistar - probably town
xofelf - likely town
skitter30 - likely town
Irrelephant11 - likely town
ydrasse - pending read on early game
Dunnstral - waiting
DeasVail - pending question on datisi townread

I don't really know whats changed-are the POE your scumreads?

idk if i can explain it but this feels like a town Nero thing to do

[Ausuka]

i guess like, the best thing I can say is that it feels like he's genuinely chasing this point and it makes him seem uninformed because if he knows hem is town he is less likely to read so wildly into that? or at least I don't think he'd jump into the "scum trying to dodge scumreads" narrative as easily

could be partnered but eh

[Ausuka]

here's my early game list

Ausuka - likely town
scamper - poe
Juice - waiting for arrival
Datisi - poe
humaneatingmonkey - town ofc
Aristeia - poe
Firebringer - pending to mid-game
Gamma Emerald - pending read on me
Nero Cain - poe
Eiralox - poe
fireisredsir - probably town
GuiltyLion - poe
VP Baltar - poe
marcistar - probably town
xofelf - likely town
skitter30 - likely town
Irrelephant11 - likely town
ydrasse - pending read on early game
Dunnstral - waiting
DeasVail - pending question on datisi townread

I count 5 reads out of 19 players. Zero scum, or anything generally that doesn't have the flavor of lukewarm milk. It's a pointless list to make other than it looks like effort. I know you're better than that.

oh I guess it's not as weird of a way to read hem's Post as I thought? Whatever

[Ydrasse]

i still meh at eiralox votes but understand better why people might go there will not protest more

my brain turned to mush with so many pages

Flip rejuvenate...

[Nero Cain]

I'm not really against the idea of carpet bombing the lurkers if they aren't going to play/post (looking at you Dunn!)

[GuiltyLion]

Eh, I'm ISOing Irrelephant again and I still don't really feel it