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Post Post #1625 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:48 pm

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I mean
1) I do not think normals are designed to meet expectations and sometimes mods design setups that violate those expectations just for the sake of doing so

2) even if that were the case I do not think a setup with 3 goons really violates expectations?? I think that's rather normal?
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Post Post #1626 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:11 pm

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In post 1625, Ausuka wrote:I mean
1) I do not think normals are designed to meet expectations and sometimes mods design setups that violate those expectations just for the sake of doing so

2) even if that were the case I do not think a setup with 3 goons really violates expectations?? I think that's rather normal?
I think you're making good points that aren't shutting down what I'm saying. I'm willing to accept that my argument Delta benefitted the most from the NK is
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Post Post #1627 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:11 pm

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In post 1606, Frogsterking wrote:*emotionally reacts*

I'm at the movie theaters, I'm about to watch Bodies Bodies Bodies
Was good by the way
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Post Post #1628 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:13 pm

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I'm so far behind in this game it's not even funny.

I'll try at some point today.
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Post Post #1629 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 3:46 am

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In post 1619, Ausuka wrote:And why would you make that assumption?
i have a feeling that frog has some good insights into the composition of the scumteam, which is how he can make this assumption.

basically what frog is doing today is a mirror of what he did with ausuka yesterday: decide his target, work backwards to create an obviously fabricated case, and see if it gains traction. it didn't with ausuka yesterday, so he moved on.

i take note of the various tactics frog uses to distance himself from his own arguments. for example, frog talks about how greeting called his play "bad townplay" and then described it as "wise of him." (post 1618.) how can frog make these ultra-confident posts and then also think it's wise to describe him as engaging in bad townplay. it doesn't make sense, unless frog knows he's wrong and wants to establish that he's just generally off-target as a matter of course. in the past, frog has gone very far out of his way to describe himself as engaging in "confbias" (see post 666, 696... or just search his ISO for the word confbias. It comes up a lot, all in reference to himself.) again, distancing himself from his own actions so he can be like "ooops i confbiased too hard lol" when i flip town.

i still haven't heard how (1) shading him as my #2 counts as a pocket attempt and (2) how i lied on the survey. these are probably the most absurd angles aside from the "how could anyone but dw decide to nk a cop" which is just silly.

the greeting stuff is also funny because as ausuka pointed out, frog went pretty hard on greeting yesterday - both sussing him and voting him to "test his claim."
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Post Post #1630 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:02 am

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Wolfy pop-ins spotted
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Post Post #1631 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:10 am

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it's funny how you don't even try to defend your complete stretch of a case
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Post Post #1632 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:12 am

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kind of interesting how one of furtive's last acts was to place frog at the top of the scumlist
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Post Post #1633 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:14 am

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Where we at with votes?
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Post Post #1634 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:20 am

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In post 1633, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Where we at with votes?
We're pretty close to mis-hammer time if you'd like to do the honors.
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Post Post #1635 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:29 am

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In post 1629, DeltaWave wrote:i have a feeling that frog has some good insights into the composition of the scumteam, which is how he can make this assumption.
This is starting to reach too-scummy-to-be-scum territory for me, I feel like scum don't usually say things which look this bad on paper.

UNVOTE: Delta
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Post Post #1636 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:32 am

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Post Post #1637 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:35 am

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In post 1635, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1629, DeltaWave wrote:i have a feeling that frog has some good insights into the composition of the scumteam, which is how he can make this assumption.
This is starting to reach too-scummy-to-be-scum territory for me, I feel like scum don't usually say things which look this bad on paper.

UNVOTE: Delta
FMPOV when I've been pushed as scum I've often felt
"Oh this person has good insight" and then deliberately NOT posted that information. I guess I'm either overthinking it, Eira was scum after all, or the scum player is a player who would risk bussing themselves into auto loss.
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Post Post #1638 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:38 am

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In post 1637, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1635, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1629, DeltaWave wrote:i have a feeling that frog has some good insights into the composition of the scumteam, which is how he can make this assumption.
This is starting to reach too-scummy-to-be-scum territory for me, I feel like scum don't usually say things which look this bad on paper.

UNVOTE: Delta
FMPOV when I've been pushed as scum I've often felt
"Oh this person has good insight" and then deliberately NOT posted that information. I guess I'm either overthinking it, Eira was scum after all, or the scum player is a player who would risk bussing themselves into auto loss.
It's most likely that I'm overthinking it.

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Post Post #1639 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:42 am

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In post 1638, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1637, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1635, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1629, DeltaWave wrote:i have a feeling that frog has some good insights into the composition of the scumteam, which is how he can make this assumption.
This is starting to reach too-scummy-to-be-scum territory for me, I feel like scum don't usually say things which look this bad on paper.

UNVOTE: Delta
FMPOV when I've been pushed as scum I've often felt
"Oh this person has good insight" and then deliberately NOT posted that information. I guess I'm either overthinking it, Eira was scum after all, or the scum player is a player who would risk bussing themselves into auto loss.
It's most likely that I'm overthinking it.

VOTE: Delta
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Post Post #1640 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:49 am

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There is another explanation I just realized:
In post 1130, Nuclear Gandhi wrote:Perhaps crescent being on Greeting is a good look for Greeting? Whatever.
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Post Post #1641 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:49 am

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Post Post #1642 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:56 am

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i am tempted
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Post Post #1643 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:00 am

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I'm also tempted to be fair

I think frog is maybe 40% to flip scum?

If this is a townflip I guess I'll have another look at Delta overnight
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Post Post #1644 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:06 am

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my power is going down in 2 hours for 2 hours. at this point i feel a claim from frogster is mandatory. don't know whether i'll be on again in 4 hours.
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Post Post #1645 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:10 am

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i have very good reasons to hammer this, went through frogster iso in a flash today and formed some.... further conclusions. Klick is off the table for me. I'll expand on what i think of frogster before i go dark

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Post Post #1646 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:13 am

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I think Frogster's flailing because his wincon depends on surviving
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Post Post #1647 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:55 am

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Frogsterking, can you please frame how delta scum fits in with their partners?
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Post Post #1648 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:26 am

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