Datisi's Café [game over!]

[Ausuka]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=13278073

I don't know why you're talking to me in the way you are - I don't think I said anything bad to you? There aren't a load of games in this size, but here's a 19 player game with 5 scum if that helps

that's the standard ratio? lol

what answer were you expecting

mostly because of this. lol.

oh and here's a 20p game with 4: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89500

and a 19p

datisi

game with 4: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89120

and a 21p game with 4 (+ 3rd party): https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88500

i'm sorry if you felt insulted by me saying that

anyway, 19p and 20p are different from 21p because town has less miselims, and a serial killer changes the faction ratio. i think my point about ircher makes sense.

[PenguinPower]

I don't give a rat's ass about 5 scum or 4 scum.

What I do care about is Ircher freezing. Ircher's last log in was today this morning after he was first asked about the question regarding his assumptions. While it may not be a slip, the freezing doesn't look good.

i mean - i don't care to defend ircher much if at all becuase he calculation comes across as based on more than an assumption but i think it's a stretch to say he's frozen just becuase of a login time from an hour ago.

[Vivax]

I read Squid Game recently so that's partly why I thought 16/5 is normal for these large games. As for Ircher 'freezing', they probably just haven't been on, I don't want to smoke them without letting them defend.

Are you a stoner?
Gotta light it if you wanna smoke it

[furtiveglance]

I read Squid Game recently so that's partly why I thought 16/5 is normal for these large games. As for Ircher 'freezing', they probably just haven't been on, I don't want to smoke them without letting them defend.

Are you a stoner?
Gotta light it if you wanna smoke it

I'm not a stoner, no. Are you?

[Something_Smart]

by individual town not the collective town

Differing design philosophies, I guess. I tend to assume that collective town will have access to the information of individual town when balancing, because otherwise it's just impossible to predict what people will do. Obviously for a setup like this you can't assume that town will completely coordinate productivity, but you can probably assume that town will make some collective effort to keep average productivity in the 75-85% range.

Regardless, it's not like scum can force extra kills, or even really influence their ability to get them in any way. All they can do is just hope town messes up, I guess.

[Something_Smart]

I don't give a rat's ass about 5 scum or 4 scum.

Well, if it's 5 scum then Ircher's town equity goes way up.

[Malakittens]

I respect it, but I don't townread it. Nero's not being as obtuse/obstinate as his town self normally is.

This is the easiest way to read Nero Cain and I'm disappointed that you've discussed it in clear detail in this game before Nero Cain has really posted enough to read him off it

I'm soft vibing Klick as town for this along with the other post re: Mastina.

[Vivax]

I read Squid Game recently so that's partly why I thought 16/5 is normal for these large games. As for Ircher 'freezing', they probably just haven't been on, I don't want to smoke them without letting them defend.

Are you a stoner?
Gotta light it if you wanna smoke it

I'm not a stoner, no. Are you?

Nah, just a smoker for now. Just being a stoner would have been healthier. Never know if that weird chest pain is phantom pain or something else, but I don't wanna know.

[Malakittens]

Andre is prob town.

VOTE: Mastina

Back to bed for ma

:/ Uh what? Why?

The vibe I got here if Titus flips scum I have a feeling one of these is her partner.

I'll explain it later if I can, but it's a vibe check, AND I'M ALL THERE FOR IT OK

[petapan]

VOTE: Titus

[PenguinPower]

you can probably assume that town will make some collective effort to keep average productivity in the 75-85% range.

I don't think this is a safe assumption!

would love to be wrong though

[Malakittens]

daykill: Malakittens

malakittens has died. She was

Spoiler:

Town, you scumbutt!

[Titus]

I don't give a rat's ass about 5 scum or 4 scum.

Well, if it's 5 scum then Ircher's town equity goes way up.

How? He's just as frozen...

[Something_Smart]

you can probably assume that town will make some collective effort to keep average productivity in the 75-85% range.

I don't think this is a safe assumption!

would love to be wrong though

Well, I'm doing my best. If you're really interested in that, we could have a conversation about optimal productivity play and then try to get as many people to sign off on it as possible.

[Malakittens]

VOTE: Titus

I gotu bby

VOTE: titus

[Something_Smart]

How? He's just as frozen...

He made a post that implicitly assumed 4 scum. Don't you think he wouldn't do that if he were on a 5-person scumteam?

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

I gotu bby

VOTE: titus

Well if you're a cat, does that make me a bitch?

[Titus]

How? He's just as frozen...

He made a post that implicitly assumed 4 scum. Don't you think he wouldn't do that if he were on a 5-person scumteam?

Could be. IIoA doesn't have to be true. The argument is pedantic though as we can't find out exactly how many scum there are until much later

[Malakittens]

So real talk

how many scum are there???????

inquiring minds wanna know.

[Titus]

So real talk

how many scum are there???????

inquiring minds wanna know.

21.

[Malakittens]

neaaatooooo

lets go kill 'em all.

[Something_Smart]

Could be. IIoA doesn't have to be true. The argument is pedantic though as we can't find out exactly how many scum there are until much later

I guess. But it seems like it probably didn't occur to Ircher that it's not known how many scum there are. So if that didn't occur to him, and he

did

know how many scum there were, he would have to use the correct number. The only time he would use the wrong number is if he were deliberately trying to appear like he didn't know how many scum there were, but I don't see why he would do that because it could still look like a scumslip.

I think the discussion is worthwhile because it's about probability. If we agree there are probably 5 scum, that makes Ircher look a lot better than if we agree there are probably 4. Though, I would buy that it's outstayed its welcome.

[furtiveglance]

Could be. IIoA doesn't have to be true. The argument is pedantic though as we can't find out exactly how many scum there are until much later

I guess. But it seems like it probably didn't occur to Ircher that it's not known how many scum there are. So if that didn't occur to him, and he

did

know how many scum there were, he would have to use the correct number. The only time he would use the wrong number is if he were deliberately trying to appear like he didn't know how many scum there were, but I don't see why he would do that because it could still look like a scumslip.

I think the discussion is worthwhile because it's about probability. If we agree there are probably 5 scum, that makes Ircher look a lot better than if we agree there are probably 4. Though, I would buy that it's outstayed its welcome.

I don't think I'm doing mental gymnastics when I say that I originally assumed 16/5, but now that Ircher assumed 17/4 without acknowledging that they were assuming that, I am now considering a 4-player mafia team with Ircher as one of those.

[Vivax]

Well, I'm heading out for a drink or two while it's still affordable. I'm not liable for bad actions in my absence
Good atmosphere nice

[Something_Smart]

I don't think I'm doing mental gymnastics when I say that I originally assumed 16/5, but now that Ircher assumed 17/4 without acknowledging that they were assuming that, I am now considering a 4-player mafia team with Ircher as one of those.

No, that's reasonable. I don't want to say too much before Ircher gets a chance to respond, but I think this is a plausible scenario, if not super likely.