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[Uncrowned]

but yeah i think the interaction with vivax is pretty bad for Ircher and doesn't really look like actual attempts to sort alignment

at worst it comes from lazy/unmotivated town but i'm willing to take that risk if that's the type of 'sorting' the slot will be doing throughout the game anyway

[petapan]

I feel like even if ircher is wolf this wagon is bad news bears

feels super easy to jump on and push because everyone want to be smart if town and catch the slip and wolf can jump on momentum without having to do much and get credit

need make sure everyone explicitly say why they vote ircher if not just for slip than for which of posts (should be easy since few)

i was pontificating on this but holding off on talking about it but likely yes if ircher is scum it's a probable instance of scum being way more self-conscious than townies and his team panicked at the attention he was getting while most of the town was just kind of clueless

for instance fireisredsir would probably have more thread awareness as scum than to be ignoring the ircher wagon and paranoia-ing one of the towniest players in the game

but yeah i think the interaction with vivax is pretty bad for Ircher and doesn't really look like actual attempts to sort alignment

at worst it comes from lazy/unmotivated town but i'm willing to take that risk if that's the type of 'sorting' the slot will be doing throughout the game anyway

(i mean i kkkkkkiiiiiind ooofffff think vivax posts like he knows ircher's alignment but i'm not gonna harp on it right now)

[Ydrasse]

im pretty sure we can just solidify that anyone voting after the slip got called out should not really be given towncred if ircher flips red

also what changed your mind on me because my posting has remained relatively the same and i'm now a somewhat (?) townread of yours

i slept and i woke up and you felt towny when i read you today

[Ydrasse]

pontificating is a scummy word but +1 the vivax read

[Uncrowned]

I feel like even if ircher is wolf this wagon is bad news bears

feels super easy to jump on and push because everyone want to be smart if town and catch the slip and wolf can jump on momentum without having to do much and get credit

need make sure everyone explicitly say why they vote ircher if not just for slip than for which of posts (should be easy since few)

i was pontificating on this but holding off on talking about it but likely yes

if ircher is scum it's a probable instance of scum being way more self-conscious than townies and his team panicked at the attention he was getting while most of the town was just kind of clueless

for instance fireisredsir would probably have more thread awareness as scum than to be ignoring the ircher wagon and paranoia-ing one of the towniest players in the game

but yeah i think the interaction with vivax is pretty bad for Ircher and doesn't really look like actual attempts to sort alignment

at worst it comes from lazy/unmotivated town but i'm willing to take that risk if that's the type of 'sorting' the slot will be doing throughout the game anyway

(i mean i kkkkkkiiiiiind ooofffff think vivax posts like he knows ircher's alignment but i'm not gonna harp on it right now)

this is a good point

as for vivax, i think an elaboration would be helpful considering ircher could be elimmed

[Vivax]

Here's a tentative readslist, very gut-heavy. Feel free to ask for expounding on what you disagree with.

Town: Ydrasse, Andres, Nero, Roden, Uncrowned, Furtive

Lean T: Peta, Fire, Ausuka

Null: BBT, JJH, Titus, S_S, Mala

Lean/possible S: Mastina, Penguin, RCEnigma, Luke, Ircher, Klick

[Vivax]

I feel like even if ircher is wolf this wagon is bad news bears

feels super easy to jump on and push because everyone want to be smart if town and catch the slip and wolf can jump on momentum without having to do much and get credit

need make sure everyone explicitly say why they vote ircher if not just for slip than for which of posts (should be easy since few)

i was pontificating on this but holding off on talking about it but likely yes

if ircher is scum it's a probable instance of scum being way more self-conscious than townies and his team panicked at the attention he was getting while most of the town was just kind of clueless

for instance fireisredsir would probably have more thread awareness as scum than to be ignoring the ircher wagon and paranoia-ing one of the towniest players in the game

but yeah i think the interaction with vivax is pretty bad for Ircher and doesn't really look like actual attempts to sort alignment

at worst it comes from lazy/unmotivated town but i'm willing to take that risk if that's the type of 'sorting' the slot will be doing throughout the game anyway

(i mean i kkkkkkiiiiiind ooofffff think vivax posts like he knows ircher's alignment but i'm not gonna harp on it right now)

this is a good point

as for vivax, i think an elaboration would be helpful considering ircher could be elimmed

This is my elaboration, Mister

I don't like Luke's and Fire's harping on mechanics on Page 2, it's dressing up something simple as an overly complex reason to vote Ircher. Ultimately it's not a productive discussion save for scum trying to rolefish, a town wouldn't want to comment on productivity. All we know is that scum night kills will probably be more on even nights.
Though I see why Yume/Ircher using the numbers so accurately and instantly guessing Mastinas intention could be construed as scummy, especially if it's scum seeing that and finding an easy reason.

Granted, it's tough to guess which side of the binary we are on. But if Ircher flips town here, the most vocal pushers go up a lot in scum equity, conversely.

I don't really see it as clear cut as most that Ircher flips scum here, but I'm just willing to take the leap of faith and work from there, especially since I supposedly 'stick out like a sore thumb' which is really not my scumplay in standard D1s

[Uncrowned]

(i mean i kkkkkkiiiiiind ooofffff think vivax posts like he knows ircher's alignment but i'm not gonna harp on it right now)

to touch on this more, if that's the case and theoretically scum!vivax is close to a ML, why do you think he jumps to vote you for that reads list you did or whatever and then switch back to Ircher? i feel like scum would be a little wearier of moving around votes like that, especially for reasons that may seem 'inadequate' to the other players

unless you're suggesting they're both scum in this scenario?

[Vivax]

UPDATE:

Town: Ydrasse, Andres, Nero, Roden, Uncrowned, Furtive

Lean T: Peta, Fire, Ausuka, Penguin (The way they handled S_S when he replied deal seemed townie), RCEnigma

Null: BBT, JJH, Titus, S_S, Mala,

Lean/possible S: Mastina, Luke, Ircher, Klick

RC moves up for this post, very natural

From the last 4ish pages, Titus +Town and PP +town. Everyone choosing to engage and re-engage the 4 scum/5 scum discussion tanking. Also hate the Titus vote timings. (As in the votes on Titus not the slot of Titus voting.)

[Lukewarm]

you're the one who chose a fluffy mascot character as an avatar, seems like you cosigned yourself to that role

don't be riku next time then

Yall are right. I should have gone with Manana. Lesson learned

[Ydrasse]

luke is pr ably town

[Ydrasse]

mala a little town for now

[jjh927]

Okay, I'm here now

[Lukewarm]

need make sure everyone explicitly say why they vote ircher if not just for slip than for which of posts (should be easy since few)

I'll bite.

I was originally on wagon because of the 1700 town points thing, because it was not phrased as a guess. It was phrased as a "here is exactly what we need to do."

Was good enough for early day 1 for me, but his response looks like scum to me.

Spoiler:

guess

Just a confident guess. 4 is pretty typical for a game of this size.
VOTE: Vivax

I've read very little since like page 3,

but Vivax is sticking out like a sore thumb.

Isn't Ircher yume?

Here's an example. Vivax is making these theories that 1) have no basis in reality and 2) serve no purpose in reading me or the rest of the game.

Well, because we were on course for an Ircher lim for presumably good reason, and when I checked in I saw a bunch of strange stuff, and the strangest one was him posting a list with mostly reasonable people at the bottom, imho.

This was the other post I saw. Again, not at all based in reality.

The "I've read very little since page 3," feels like he is going into anti-spew mode.

But he is also not very consistent with it. He has read very little (and therefore has few reads), but he also logged in and knew exactly what line of questioning was the reason he was being ran up and needed to respond to. And while yes, my initial question was on page two. It was not causing him a wagon until Furtive brought it back up, and outlined why it could be TMI which happens on page 8. And in that same post he votes Vivax, which he later explains was for posts that come on page 16 and 18.

Claiming to not have read much since page 3, but them commenting on things from pages 8, 16, and 18 all in the same post makes the original claim feel like a lie. One written specifically to limit the number of reads that he needed to put out.

[Vivax]

Totally saying all scum are on the Ircher wagon already by the way.
Can't believe I passed up my yearly meeting with the Erinyes for these games.

[jjh927]

Anyone want to talk about anyone else in particular or shall I just see if I can remember how to play the game

[fireisredsir]

having looked at uncrowned's scumplay i don't really get why this is clearly town but i do kinda feel similar vibes from the town games as well, so idk maybe im wrong

kinda felt energized in the read by ydrasse joining once i voted and now feel slightly abandoned but maybe that's for the best

VOTE: titus

fine with an ircher flip btw, didn't really like his re-entry to the thread, wouldn't mind seeing another significant wagon or two tho

[jjh927]

What are you seeing in Titus that makes you vote her

This looks like town!Titus to me

[fireisredsir]

I thought I'd do a 'big' post since people have expressed concern for game length.

also fwiw i think this game has been incredibly healthy so far in terms of being readable and maybe is even a little light on the content

so i wouldn't worry too much about it rn, don't feel like you have to limit yourself

[Lukewarm]

I thought I'd do a 'big' post since people have expressed concern for game length.

also fwiw i think this game has been incredibly healthy so far in terms of being readable and maybe is even a little light on the content

so i wouldn't worry too much about it rn, don't feel like you have to limit yourself

Yeah, this game has been fine actually, unlike the game that made me worried about day 1 in a large lol

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war flashbacks to the 210 page day 1 of NQN2

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[fireisredsir]

What are you seeing in Titus that makes you vote her

This looks like town!Titus to me

im not super confident but it kinda felt like she was putting on the "take control" hat earlier and her thoughts don't always seem like they make sense when you look at them on a deeper level

idk cause when ive played with town titus before she's been busy and mostly absent in the early game, while when she was scum she was a lot more engaged and trying to move the thread in the ways she wanted, so its hard for me to know exactly what active town titus looks like?

and im trying to keep in mind that im sure she has more active town games and probably more inactive scum games and those just happen to be the ones ive played in

but its still something thats been on my mind

[Something_Smart]

This looks like town!Titus to me

It does. I don't remember much about scum-Titus but I think she makes a bit more of an effort to sound reasonable/make sense?

[fireisredsir]

I thought I'd do a 'big' post since people have expressed concern for game length.

also fwiw i think this game has been incredibly healthy so far in terms of being readable and maybe is even a little light on the content

so i wouldn't worry too much about it rn, don't feel like you have to limit yourself

Yeah, this game has been fine actually, unlike the game that made me worried about day 1 in a large lol

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war flashbacks to the 210 page day 1 of NQN2

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yea lol i read bits and pieces of that and that was exactly what was on my mind when i wanted this to have a postcap

[fireisredsir]

This looks like town!Titus to me

It does. I don't remember much about scum-Titus but I think she makes a bit more of an effort to sound reasonable/make sense?

it kinda seems like her thoughts are surface level intended to sound reasonable tho? like she hasn't said anything super out there it's just that they don't feel like they quite click into a consistent mindset, like luke was saying

[jjh927]

Titus doesn't always make sense to other people but you can still see the thought process going on

I think it's particularly clear when you look for her takes on the wagons she doesn't want to join