Datisi's Café [game over!]

[furtiveglance]

My gut reaction is that you have placed much higher value on broadcasting the fact that you have reads and making sure everyone else knows you have reads than I would expect of town

Ok. Thanks for actually answering my question. If you're talking about 120, 134, 143, it's deliberately performative. I wanted to interact with someone instead of just dumping some early

reads

down, which I had formed from

reading

the game for

reads

. Helped me form a

read

on Ydrasse, which is another

read

I now have. Hence the 'coy' little game around

reads

. Since 153, I've been really clear. The thing is, if you

read

550, my big list of

reads

, including the spoilered text, you'll understand why I have the

reads

I have. Did you?

Reads

[jjh927]

Yeah, the gut read was very much based on the earlygame. We're moving into logic territory now as the gears are turning and I'm now also concerned by your lack of interaction with your scumreads

[jjh927]

For the record, I have read your list of reads, both while just keeping up and also while rereading the whole game a couple of hours back.

But yeah, generally speaking, your scumreads look entirely observational in nature and you don't seem to have made an effort to verify that. Ircher being absent makes that understandable to an extent but I'd feel better if you'd had a meaningful interaction with Roden somewhere

[furtiveglance]

You hope others will townread you because of your reads, draw attention to them as a defence, and generally seem more preoccupied with ticking that "thing that town players do" box rather than using it as a tool to spur conversation and more accurately place people
At the base level, you appear to prioritise being townread over gaining information with which to eliminate scum.

This is definitely a hot scenario, and I wish I had a cool flavour name like 'Inspector Clipboard', but alas it wasn't to be.

I have some questions for you (which I think you will struggle to answer, so partly rhetorical):

What is missing from my ISO (non-reads content) that other players have?

When have I drawn attention to my reads as a defence this game?

How does one usually gain the information with which one eliminates scum?

[Nero Cain]

logic in a mafia game? What is this, 2011?

[jjh927]

You hope others will townread you because of your reads, draw attention to them as a defence, and generally seem more preoccupied with ticking that "thing that town players do" box rather than using it as a tool to spur conversation and more accurately place people
At the base level, you appear to prioritise being townread over gaining information with which to eliminate scum.

This is definitely a hot scenario, and I wish I had a cool flavour name like 'Inspector Clipboard', but alas it wasn't to be.

I have some questions for you (which I think you will struggle to answer, so partly rhetorical):

What is missing from my ISO (non-reads content) that other players have?

When have I drawn attention to my reads as a defence this game?

How does one usually gain the information with which one eliminates scum?

1: That's a bit of an arbitrary one. Can't really answer that in a meaningful way.
2. It's kinda my main take out of that argument we had where we both missed each other's points. Your scumread of Ircher is at the crux of that argument no matter how your shake it.
3. We're doing it right now. This kind of conversation. Observation is no replacement for getting stuck right into it

[furtiveglance]

You hope others will townread you because of your reads, draw attention to them as a defence, and generally seem more preoccupied with ticking that "thing that town players do" box rather than using it as a tool to spur conversation and more accurately place people
At the base level, you appear to prioritise being townread over gaining information with which to eliminate scum.

This is definitely a hot scenario, and I wish I had a cool flavour name like 'Inspector Clipboard', but alas it wasn't to be.

I have some questions for you (which I think you will struggle to answer, so partly rhetorical):

What is missing from my ISO (non-reads content) that other players have?

When have I drawn attention to my reads as a defence this game?

How does one usually gain the information with which one eliminates scum?

1: That's a bit of an arbitrary one. Can't really answer that in a meaningful way.
2. It's kinda my main take out of that argument we had where we both missed each other's points. Your scumread of Ircher is at the crux of that argument no matter how your shake it.
3. We're doing it right now. This kind of conversation. Observation is no replacement for getting stuck right into it

1. Exactly, my point is proven.
2. I already stated this and it looks like you disagreed rather than missing it: I was not using scumreading Ircher to defend myself, I was questioning (not even attacking) your confused gut (which is a metaphor for a strong, powerful feeling).
3. Good point - arguing does have value in mafia, but so does making clear where your thoughts are. Maybe your philosophy is that reads are redundant, mine isn't.

[furtiveglance]

I'm guessing you'll push back on point 2, but I've said all there is to say on it.

[jjh927]

Ah, so to clarify, my "gut" is a remnant of a very lazy playstyle I used for a period that I've integrated into my current playstyle. It's my thoughts on the matter without tangibly putting those thoughts into words. Near enough my subconscious

[furtiveglance]

Ah, so to clarify, my "gut" is a remnant of a very lazy playstyle I used for a period that I've integrated into my current playstyle. It's my thoughts on the matter without tangibly putting those thoughts into words. Near enough my subconscious

Ok, this is slightly confusing.

[jjh927]

Regardless of how I'm reading you, you seem like a good person to bounce things off of. What do you think of malakittens

[fireisredsir]

didn't really feel like you had an actual interest in sorting me, felt like you were just checking a box on a list of things you're supposed to be doing in a mafia game. feels a little artificial

which is kinda how ive felt about a lot of your posting so far. it kinda reminds me of how i like to play scum actually, which maybe is why i noticed. it feels like you're playing with the goal of generating townreads on yourself and not with the goal of finding scum

does not apply to furtive, furtive seems towny

You hope others will townread you because of your reads, draw attention to them as a defence, and generally seem more preoccupied with ticking that "thing that town players do" box rather than using it as a tool to spur conversation and more accurately place people
At the base level, you appear to prioritise being townread over gaining information with which to eliminate scum.

i thought this was funny

probably not meaningful, but interesting how a description that i applied to uncrowned and then specifically say doesn't apply to furtive is later applied to furtive by someone else

[jjh927]

Amusingly I also townread uncrowned

[furtiveglance]

Regardless of how I'm reading you, you seem like a good person to bounce things off of. What do you think of malakittens

Glad you asked, I was about to give some other reads on players I didn't mention in that readslist (probably to your ire). I have Malakittens as a scumlean, along with Ausuka. As for Klick, that's a townlean. I know Mala likes a meme as either alignment, but when they get into a game as town they go beyond memes into quite heavy pushing of scumreads (see Newbie 2093 in which they got their paws into me). Some of the capsing early on felt quite easy to do as mafia.

I know you didn't ask but:

Ausuka: Seems very different to Mini Normal 2279 in which they were my first townread and pretty much a UTR from the get go. Could be due to RVS wagon, larger game or anything else but notable.

More on Klick later I need to go but wanted to get this out in real time.

[jjh927]

Might want to discuss some of these in more detail, particularly over the weekend if you are around, but perhaps not right now.

I'm reaching the point where I gotta turn off for the day. Too much thinking.

[jjh927]

That doesn't mean sleeping fwiw, that means watching trashy anime and maybe shitposting

[Lukewarm]

Town:
Lukewarm
Klick

Is this sorted?

If yes, why am I at the top?

[jjh927]

It is sorted

Gut
It was fairly arbitrary but it's absolutely sorted by confidence of how I felt at the time

[jjh927]

I did particularly like 588, not just the post but the fact it even exists

[Klick]

i don't really get the mindset behind "hammer or move on" followed by "i want to vote RCE but don't want to dampen ircher wagon"

can you explain that more

specifically about the "or move on"

Ircher looks like he might get eliminated here
I am satisfied with that outcome

It also looks possible that the wagon will dissolve and other wagons will form
I'm not as happy with that outcome because I think Ircher is a better elimination than we would likely get if things were to dissolve. But it is an acceptable outcome and one we can work to our advantage

What I DON'T want is 'let's leave Ircher at L-2 for a few days while we don't do other things and

then

get cold feet and vote elsewhere' (which does commonly happen)
Because the stagnation would kill momentum in what's currently an active and fun and highly-Klick-motivating game

[jjh927]

How would you feel about exploring other options and then ultimately coming back to ircher if we feel like it later

[Klick]

jjh I want to hear you talk about Mala

PEdit: I don't trust that people would actually go back to Ircher
The wagon is there now

[Klick]

I also have very close to zero confidence in my ability to persuade people towards things that align with my reads and therefore and resistant to shifts away from gamestates that work with my reads

[Klick]

I also have very close to zero confidence in my ability to persuade people towards things that align with my reads and therefore

am

resistant to shifts away from gamestates that work with my reads

EBWOP

[jjh927]

To be honest I'd rather wait for Mala to show up and talk to Mala about Mala if that's alright