Datisi's Café [game over!]

[Vivax]

Is this a rush to page 30? Feels like a rush to page 30

[jjh927]

If people are ultimately more convinced by something else later than the thing we're thinking now that's fine.

Don't get held back by the idea that we could be correct right now. We also might not be. Getting the most info possible and being as confident as possible that we can lim scum day 1 is the goal.

[Ausuka]

Ausuka: Seems very different to Mini Normal 2279 in which they were my first townread and pretty much a UTR from the get go. Could be due to RVS wagon, larger game or anything else but notable.

I mean when Datisi bullied me into signing up for this game I agreed on the condition that I would RNG my reads so if anything I'd say I'm outperforming expectations here

(I am going to be playing intensely more relaxed in this game due to a combination of being busier and the size of this game I'm afraid! Although I'm also curious to see the advantages and disadvantages that come with not being mostly townread by people as well)

[furtiveglance]

Ausuka: Seems very different to Mini Normal 2279 in which they were my first townread and pretty much a UTR from the get go. Could be due to RVS wagon, larger game or anything else but notable.

I mean when Datisi bullied me into signing up for this game I agreed on the condition that I would RNG my reads so if anything I'd say I'm outperforming expectations here

(I am going to be playing intensely more relaxed in this game due to a combination of being busier and the size of this game I'm afraid! Although I'm also curious to see the advantages and disadvantages that come with not being mostly townread by people as well)

Advantages may be limited :/

[Ausuka]

Oh I'm sure the disadvantages will outweigh the advantages but maybe people will be easier to read this way?? Who knows!

[furtiveglance]

Oh I'm sure the disadvantages will outweigh the advantages but maybe people will be easier to read this way?? Who knows!

Do you have anything so far, or just chilling being disadvantaged?

[furtiveglance]

i don't really get the mindset behind "hammer or move on" followed by "i want to vote RCE but don't want to dampen ircher wagon"

can you explain that more

specifically about the "or move on"

Ircher looks like he might get eliminated here
I am satisfied with that outcome

It also looks possible that the wagon will dissolve and other wagons will form
I'm not as happy with that outcome because I think Ircher is a better elimination than we would likely get if things were to dissolve. But it is an acceptable outcome and one we can work to our advantage

What I DON'T want is 'let's leave Ircher at L-2 for a few days while we don't do other things and

then

get cold feet and vote elsewhere' (which does commonly happen)
Because the stagnation would kill momentum in what's currently an active and fun and highly-Klick-motivating game

Agree with Ircher vote, don't think it'll suddenly be hard to get them out unless someone really puts their foot in it.

[Lukewarm]

It is sorted

Gut
It was fairly arbitrary but it's absolutely sorted by confidence of how I felt at the time

I did particularly like 588, not just the post but the fact it even exists

Okay.

The reason I asked was that I kinda thought the most notable things that I had done this game so far was catching the Ircher 17 player thing, and then my posts about Titus.

You seem to disagree with my comments on Titus, and you were not seeming to give furtive any town points for pushing the Ircher thing, so I was confused how those things were planting me at the top and furtive near the bottom.

But I guess I can buy that you liked 588, so this line of questioning kinda lost its purpose. Carry on.

[Ausuka]

Oh I'm sure the disadvantages will outweigh the advantages but maybe people will be easier to read this way?? Who knows!

Do you have anything so far, or just chilling being disadvantaged?

I still think Ircher is a wolf if that helps!

I want to be cautious with Vivax because he seems like the sort of person who's naturally scummy but I don't really like the way he pivots away from Ircher for being too scummy to be scum and then returns because apparently he'd be hammered if he's town??? Especially with Ircher voting Vivax, I feel like if Ircher is scum Vivax is a good place to start d2

[Ausuka]

(To be clear I am not in a 100% caught up state and there are a lot of people I don't really have reads on but I can always RNG a readslist if people want that!)

[furtiveglance]

(To be clear I am not in a 100% caught up state and there are a lot of people I don't really have reads on but I can always RNG a readslist if people want that!)

No

[Klick]

If people are ultimately more convinced by something else later than the thing we're thinking now that's fine.

Don't get held back by the idea that we could be correct right now. We also might not be. Getting the most info possible and being as confident as possible that we can lim scum day 1 is the goal.

I disagree with the notion that more info = higher town accuracy
I'm feeling decently confident in my accuracy on this game right now and there's not that much info so far

[Ausuka]

the last time i pumped the brakes on an early day 1 ircher wagon he was scum who escaped to get a night action


and his posts when he came back were kind of bad tbh

I vibe with this? I don't know how to articulate it but regardless of Vivax's alignment the push by Ircher just felt Bad

[mastina]

Heads up, am phoneposting, so all responses will be one post, slow, not formatted, some things I won't be able to do, and I will likely have to abruptly leave before I get fully caught up.

I respect it, but I don't townread it. Nero's not being as obtuse/obstinate as his town self normally is.

This is the easiest way to read Nero Cain and I'm disappointed that you've discussed it in clear detail in this game before Nero Cain has really posted enough to read him off it

I mean.

It's not like he doesn't already know about this tell.

I've publicly used it to read him before. He knows about the tell. He's seen people in countless games use the tell. So he's fully aware of it.

But he can't really replicate it as scum. He cannot really help Displaying it as town, either. To be honest, I think that it's such an innate part of who he is, that he CAN’T change it.

So there's no harm in educating folks about it.
He can try to be obnoxious as scum;
He can try to be not obnoxious as town;
I don’t believe that he can truly fully succeed at either. Even knowing about the tell, he doesn't necessarily have the capacity to fix it.

(Also, this tips Klick into town.)

[jjh927]

If you gain info and you lose accuracy then you only reached the first conclusion by chance anyway

[mastina]

I hope i’m the scumread

I’m uninterested in the guessing game though as much as it would give back regarding reads

Why uninterested? I literally made it so easy for you. Also, you can only be a LEAN, since I said you were a smaller read.

For the record, if I hadn't already locktownned Ydrasse, this conversation would've done it for me.

Ydrasse is by FAR the towniest slot in the game by MILES.

I also townlean furtive for the exchange.

[jjh927]

Okay, I'm hyped for the mastina catchup. Maybe I have some brainpower left

[Nero Cain]

I don't really think that's a super accurate description of my personality but I also don't care what mastina thinks either

[mastina]

Also, I did confirm with the mod that there is guaranteed to be at least one VT in the game. I assume there is also more than one VT in the game, and guessing the ratio of PR to VT is probably pretty important. I was estimating somewhere around 2:1 to 1:1-- having too many VT's makes it trivially easy to keep productivity up. Since we need to average at least 75%, if we assume 2:1 PR:VT, the PR's would need to average around 62%, which honestly isn't bad.

The tricky thing is that hitting way too high is also pretty devastating for town because we lose a lot of power. So we should probably aim for no higher than 85%, which would require a PR average of 78%.

So my (almost) completely uninformed take is that most PR's should be producing between 62-78%. Since mastina is committed to 0 and is probably roughly 10% of town's PR's, shift that up 10% for today, so 68-86%.

For the record, I am also locktownning Something Smart for this post.

[fireisredsir]

i don't really get the mindset behind "hammer or move on" followed by "i want to vote RCE but don't want to dampen ircher wagon"

can you explain that more

specifically about the "or move on"

Ircher looks like he might get eliminated here
I am satisfied with that outcome

It also looks possible that the wagon will dissolve and other wagons will form
I'm not as happy with that outcome because I think Ircher is a better elimination than we would likely get if things were to dissolve. But it is an acceptable outcome and one we can work to our advantage

What I DON'T want is 'let's leave Ircher at L-2 for a few days while we don't do other things and

then

get cold feet and vote elsewhere' (which does commonly happen)
Because the stagnation would kill momentum in what's currently an active and fun and highly-Klick-motivating game

im willing to throw my vote in the "will go to ircher if things move away and then struggle to return there" if that helps

but ok, that seems reasonable i think, and i at least understand your thought process more now

[mastina]

Okay, I'm hyped for the mastina catchup. Maybe I have some brainpower left

Don't get your hopes up too high, this is how far back I am and I only have 15 minutes before my appointment.

I'll try to get as much as I can now tho and finish later.
(Btw this moves jjh to at minimum null. Maybe higher.)

[mastina]

Andre is prob town.

VOTE: Mastina

Back to bed for ma

:/ Uh what? Why?

I have played scum - Andre recently and this is like night and day compared to that last game.
It’s an early read, but I vibe with it.

Mastina is an RVS vote

For the record: I'm willing to trust Mala on this read, and this also moves Mala into town by some considerable margin.

Not sure if Mala is locktown, but she's north of null, and I am trusting her on Andres and moving him up to locktown.

[Ausuka]

PenguinPower
furtiveglance
Malakittens
Vivax
Andresvmb
fireisredsir

petapan
Uncrowned
mastina
Roden

Lukewarm
Titus
Ydrasse
Ausuka
Nero Cain
BlueBloodedToffee
jjh927

RCEnigma
Ircher
Something_Smart

Ok so I've seen a few Klick games

Most of them were town and he came across as active, capable, confident, all that stuff. There was one where I modded and he seemed, like, fairly distinctively different from that? He didn't just zeropost, but he came across as like, significantly less engaged I think and ended up getting eliminated not long after replacing in.

For people who know him better than I do, is this a consistent pattern, because if so he is probably town this game

My read on Mala is similar in that I don't really know either of them that well but I feel like mala's towngame also looks more like this??

[Klick]

PenguinPower
furtiveglance
Malakittens
fireisredsir
Vivax
Andresvmb

petapan
Uncrowned
mastina
Nero Cain
Ausuka
jjh927

Roden
Ydrasse
Lukewarm
Titus
BlueBloodedToffee

Ircher
Something_Smart
RCEnigma

[Nero Cain]

my initial take was that he seemed a little more active the usual. But then he also said he's motivated for this game.