Datisi's Café [game over!]

[Vivax]

PenguinPower
furtiveglance
Malakittens
fireisredsir
Vivax
Andresvmb

petapan
Uncrowned
mastina
Nero Cain
Ausuka
jjh927

Roden
Ydrasse
Lukewarm
Titus
BlueBloodedToffee

Ircher
Something_Smart
RCEnigma

I'm legitimately not sure if this is a very well informed scum or a super good town, because I think the bottom of the reads is very sheepable. Though an update on Andres after the latest input would be appreciated.

[Andresvmb]

Why is Andres attitude the way it is from a single remark?

Should I be congratulating you when you take shots at me? Didn’t you call me gullible or did I miss that? My point was simply that I don’t think Nero is Scum, which is a good thing because they’re tough to deal with as Scum. You will have noticed that I didn’t say Nero is difficult to pinpoint as Scum. I would have hedged my remarks quite a bit more if that were the case. Since I didn’t understand what you meant, I asked you to clarify. You can get all upset about it if you want, and not answer, but that doesn’t help me figure out what you are.

I just think you have the attitude of someone who didn't walk into a good situation and vibes with negativity in an environment of logic.

That said, Klick makes it to townleans, and you to scumleans.

The attitude of someone who didn’t walk into a good situation? What does that even mean? Do you want to expand upon that? If I’m understanding you correctly, you think I’m sussing you in an effort to protect Ircher. That’s the argument yeah?

[Vivax]

Why is Andres attitude the way it is from a single remark?

Should I be congratulating you when you take shots at me? Didn’t you call me gullible or did I miss that? My point was simply that I don’t think Nero is Scum, which is a good thing because they’re tough to deal with as Scum. You will have noticed that I didn’t say Nero is difficult to pinpoint as Scum. I would have hedged my remarks quite a bit more if that were the case. Since I didn’t understand what you meant, I asked you to clarify. You can get all upset about it if you want, and not answer, but that doesn’t help me figure out what you are.

I just think you have the attitude of someone who didn't walk into a good situation and vibes with negativity in an environment of logic.

That said, Klick makes it to townleans, and you to scumleans.

The attitude of someone who didn’t walk into a good situation? What does that even mean? Do you want to expand upon that? If I’m understanding you correctly, you think I’m sussing you in an effort to protect Ircher. That’s the argument yeah?

No, the original argument was your read on Nero claiming you want to townlean him with the caveat that 'you're glad because then you don't have to push scum nero', in a later post saying you scumread him actually.
So, not-compute-city somewhere here, and your passive aggressive attitude.

[Andresvmb]

I’m not as sold as others that assuming that the game is 17:4 instead of 16:5 is a sure indication that someone is Scum. I’m of the opinion that you would have seen Scum be more obvious about the assumption to try and avoid it being interpreted as a slip, but that’s my personal perspective. I was trying to focus more on contribution and tone, since this early I don’t think you can make any argument that is solidly supported by “logic”. But that’s my approach - I’m not pretending it’s better than anyone else’s approach.

[Andresvmb]

I don’t SR Nero. I don’t think I’ve ever said that.

[Vivax]

I like Nero for Town. Which is a good thing because fighting Scum!Nero is a horrible experience.

This feels a bit too gullible if they expect Nero to be a challenging scum

Gullible? Haha how?

I expressed that I think Nero is Scum

. I also expressed relief because Nero is a difficult player sink as Scum. And they’re generally abrasive, so I would rather not have to deal with it. I also would add that I think Nero adds to the Town.

But maybe I’m misreading what you’re saying. Do you think Nero is fooling me and is Scum? Like what’s the take?

[mastina]

I don't think Mastina ever responded to me anyway.

Oh well I should just say that the lack of knowing how to engage is mutual.

You're not my priority elimination now, anyway; that's Ircher.

Past that, we'll cross the bridge when we come to it.

the last time i pumped the brakes on an early day 1 ircher wagon he was scum who escaped to get a night action
and his posts when he came back were kind of bad tbh

^
I don't care what he claims; I don't care about the wagon composition on him; I don't care about getting distracted by shinies.

He's scum and we shouldn't let him go.

I'm not compromise-voting today. I'm staying on Ircher, period. Any wagon not him will have to be done without me, likely with my strong opposition.

[Vivax]

Okay you Ebwoped it, but then you said this

I don’t SR Nero. I don’t think I’ve ever said that.

Dirty backtrack

[Klick]

I'm legitimately not sure if this is a very well informed scum or a super good town, because I think the bottom of the reads is very sheepable. Though an update on Andres after the latest input would be appreciated.

Andre's continues to be obvtown
You're also continuing to be obvtown and I don't get the scumreads on you

[PenguinPower]

Uh…we’re past page 30…page 40?

[Klick]

If you vote Ircher now maybe we could end it by 35

[Andresvmb]

Okay you Ebwoped it, but then you said this

I don’t SR Nero. I don’t think I’ve ever said that.

Dirty backtrack

Wait, I’m confused. What backtrack?

[Andresvmb]

I think Nero is Town. What of anything that I’ve said makes you think I’ve changed my position on this?

[Andresvmb]

I made an error typing out my thoughts which I quickly corrected. If you’re going to argue that’s a backtrack, that’s a horrific position to adopt.

[Vivax]

I made an error typing out my thoughts which I quickly corrected. If you’re going to argue that’s a backtrack, that’s a horrific position to adopt.

Regardless, it's an interesting typo. You type way too much around that opinion for my taste, and the mistake is icing on the cake.

[PenguinPower]

[quote="In post 835, Klick"][/quote]

happy to given his recent contribution but mastina seemed like she's doing her catch up thing.

[PenguinPower]

uh....weird

[PenguinPower]

If you vote Ircher now maybe we could end it by 35

happy to given his recent contribution but mastina seemed like she's doing her catch up thing.

[Andresvmb]

I made an error typing out my thoughts which I quickly corrected. If you’re going to argue that’s a backtrack, that’s a horrific position to adopt.

Regardless, it's an interesting typo. You type way too much around that opinion for my taste, and the mistake is icing on the cake.

Hahaha okay. I think you’re Scum doubling down on a bad take. But I’ll stop arguing with you directly.

[Vivax]

I made an error typing out my thoughts which I quickly corrected. If you’re going to argue that’s a backtrack, that’s a horrific position to adopt.

Regardless, it's an interesting typo. You type way too much around that opinion for my taste, and the mistake is icing on the cake.

Hahaha okay. I think you’re Scum doubling down on a bad take. But I’ll stop arguing with you directly.

What's your read on Ircher?

[RCEnigma]

I don't really have a read on Mastina atm, but I don't think it is true to say that scum mastina would not lie about her productivity levels.

Why would she lock herself into it before the night phase has even begun?

She will do this as either alignment so this line of questioning isn’t useful. Even in hypotheticals.

[mastina]

I want to be cautious with Vivax because he seems like the sort of person who's naturally scummy but I don't really like the way he pivots away from Ircher for being too scummy to be scum and then returns because apparently he'd be hammered if he's town??? Especially with Ircher voting Vivax, I feel like if Ircher is scum Vivax is a good place to start d2

From my experience, that's Vivax as town for what it's worth.

[mastina]

I read through mastina's ISO. Incredibly wrong reads as always.

This is not a town-Ircher post.

[Vivax]

i don't really get the mindset behind "hammer or move on" followed by "i want to vote RCE but don't want to dampen ircher wagon"

can you explain that more

specifically about the "or move on"

Who's this directed at? Did they answer? I can't find a requote on a first go.
Fire to townlock

[RCEnigma]

I read through mastina's ISO. Incredibly wrong reads as always.

This is not a town-Ircher post.

It’s Irchers same argument from Control.