Datisi's Café [game over!]

[Andresvmb]

Titus, Klick and furtiveglance I wouldn’t vote today.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Vivax

[Andresvmb]

Titus could have been bussing but you would have to think they were on top of Ircher’s case very aggressively and maybe? It’s possible the Scum decided to take alternative tracks in order to not all get lumped together, but I seriously doubt all of the Scum bailed on Ircher immediately.

[furtiveglance]

hi uh I would like to as a PSA reminder that using full productivity is an useful night action and something every PR should consider especially if they kinda suck thanks

Mailman does seem insanely useless.....Roden, why bother?

[furtiveglance]

Andres, has your read on Ydrasse changed?

[Andresvmb]

And I think 269 makes it unlikely Klick is Scum in my book.
After how agitated Vivax seemed to be getting about the focus on mechanics earlier in the game, it’s stuff like 302 that pings me.

These are some of the random thoughts I’ve had. PenguinPower’s vote for Ydrasse I think on page 5 might have been an attempt at piling on away from Ircher. I think that was the thought I had. But it’s not as obvious as Vivax.

[Andresvmb]

Andres, has your read on Ydrasse changed?

Yeah I called them Town before the day ended yesterday.

[furtiveglance]

Andres, has your read on Ydrasse changed?

Yeah I called them Town before the day ended yesterday.

Ok I forgot.

[Roden]

Titus could have been bussing but you would have to think they were on top of Ircher’s case very aggressively and maybe? It’s possible the Scum decided to take alternative tracks in order to not all get lumped together, but I seriously doubt all of the Scum bailed on Ircher immediately.

Ircher's role was pretty weak, and tbh Ircher gets run up D1 almost every game I play with him regardless of his alignment. I don't think he got hard bussed by his entire team, but I don't think they had much incentive to try to save him either. Best play for scum is for them to avoid being associated with Ircher at all IMO.

[Roden]

hi uh I would like to as a PSA reminder that using full productivity is an useful night action and something every PR should consider especially if they kinda suck thanks

Mailman does seem insanely useless.....Roden, why bother?

It's tiered, if I don't use my modifier it only costs 5%. That's the version I went with since I didn't find the modifier useful last night.

[Andresvmb]

@Roden yeah maybe. But you also have to make a decision as Scum. Either you push Ircher right then and there about a potential slip that Ircher may be able to get away from (I didn’t find the “slip” killer, the freezing is what did Ircher in), or you hold off, and you position yourself around the flip that started seeming more and more inevitable as the day went on. Look at Vivax’s play and tell me that’s not what you see.

Look Vivax could have just been wrong and Town that’s always possible. But they were definitely the one player I thought was the Scummiest yesterday. It’s hard for me to look away right now.

[Andresvmb]

I’m also trying to be careful about tunneling, so I’ll re-read again and look for some other clues. We can also do this by process of elimination a bit. There’s a before and after the slip becoming inevitable. And I certainly think more of the Scum than less are on the wagon, if not all of them. Ircher just didn’t do a great job of defending themselves, and the summary of reads posts they put out were probably built to minimize information leakage. So I wouldn’t spend too much time thinking about those.

[Vivax]

Obligatory but useless NKA: I was expecting JJH/Lukewarm/Mastina to die last night.

The BBT kill is the weirdest

. Petapan shaded Vivax quite a bit before they died, more than they shaded Titus I think.

Current reads (basically end of D1 + Ircher scum): Ausuka has gone up a bit, partly for being a leading wagon, not much change otherwise apart from Vivax going down. I can see Klick/RC being T/T, not voting there today anyway. I'd like a vote on Malakittens, Something_Smart, Roden, or Vivax.

Tell me more about the why of that one please, while I keep reading.

VOTE: FurtiveGlance

[Vivax]

it might have only been 2 kills.

BBT just seems really weird as a kill to me

based on their lack of content, unless they're known to be a good player who just hadnt turned it on yet? i don't know them enough to know if that makes sense as a fearkill

i really would hope that nobody would spend enough productivity points to n1 hero shot vig but i also wouldn't be that surprised

nero and peta kills both make sense as NKs tho

oof

[Vivax]

I'm not opposed to flipping Ircher here but I'd like it acknowledged that a town flip means that scum was most likely to saw them slipping first...Because their perspective allowed them to.

This assumes that there really are 5 scum, then? Otherwise how would scum be more likely notice the mistake?

Good posting

Is it just me noticing that this slot has been utterly and completely useless? I don’t think so, and I don’t actually think it’s necessarily Scum, but c’mon now. This is worse than when I’m flaking on a game.

Not so weird for this player, who seems rather townie on this day.

Who said anything about 2 for 1 before?

[fireisredsir]

are you saying you don't think that it would be weird for mafia to nightkill BBT?

[mastina]

Hi y'all, I'm gonna be fully transparent with this:

I am setting my productivity to 0% today.

You may call that anti-town as much as you want; you can consider it suspicious as much as you want. Which is fair. The scum extra kill mechanism is ludicrously strong and I am fully aware of the risks.

But I have very strong reasons for doing so. I promise that by D4, you'll know why.
I won't go 0% more than once.

But for ~reasons~ I need to go 0% today. Let's just say I'll become a scumhunting GOD.

Full transparency, part 2/3:

I am setting my productivity to 50% today.
On D3, I will be setting my productivity to 75%.
On D4, I will go to 100% and fully explain why I have done what I am doing.

I have a plan. I legit think that I can break the game with this and I promise that I will explain everything on D4 and explain why I have done what I am doing.

It'll all make sense then, and the scum won't know what hit them.

[mastina]

Wow, that's really annoying. I targeted Peta last night.

Pray continue....

I'm a Mailman with a modifier. I sent him a message asking for advice on how to effectively play my role, and let him know I chose him since I believed he would be the most likely person to give solid advice regardless of his own alignment or his read on me.

Btw there's actually TWO reasons for why I think that this is a scumclaim from Roden, maybe 3.
jjh can probably get 1-2 of them, small outside chance of all 3.

But,
VOTE: Roden

Roden is effectively confscum with that claim.

[Andresvmb]

As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.

Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?

Ircher hasn't been on since this. It totally assumes 17/4 whereas I assumed 16/5 like other large games I've seen.

@Vivax would you argue Scum makes this post? Like why the vote there?

[mastina]

I don’t see myself ever pivoting off of Roden.

Roden was already scum by play to me, but that claim was 200% damning in ways that Roden couldn't even know.

If we wanna go 2 for 2 on scum eliminations, y'all should be voting for Roden today.

[Andresvmb]

Lukewarm is really the player that asked the important blow up question first so unless that was planned (not likely) I wouldn’t vote there either.

[Something_Smart]

Btw there's actually TWO reasons for why I think that this is a scumclaim from Roden, maybe 3.

It's independently a pretty sketchy claim. But do you think scum would have Ircher's role and that?

[Vivax]

I see why Yume/Ircher using the numbers so

accurately

Is this a 2 for 1, tmi special?

VOTE: vivax

Oh hey
Thanks for cropping the quote

I don't like Luke's and Fire's harping on mechanics on Page 2, it's dressing up something simple as an overly complex reason to vote Ircher. Ultimately it's not a productive discussion save for scum trying to rolefish, a town wouldn't want to comment on productivity. All we know is that scum night kills will probably be more on even nights.
Though I see why Yume/Ircher using the numbers so accurately and instantly guessing Mastinas intention could be construed as scummy, especially if it's scum seeing that and finding an easy reason.

Granted, it's tough to guess which side of the binary we are on. But if Ircher flips town here, the most vocal pushers go up a lot in scum equity, conversely.

Unfortunate you didn't call the NK weird as well, but I see a name showing up again in this

[Lukewarm]

Thanks for crop

You're welcome

[fireisredsir]

was tempted to vote vivax but idk this kinda reminds me of turing test vivax (town) at the point where i voted him, where it just feels like he's seeing ghosts and just like... existing in a different plane of reality than the rest of us

i don't really get the impression that he fakes that from reading his scumgame but it's hard to judge since i haven't directly played in a game with it

like he still seems somehow unaware that what me and luke were talking about on page 2 had nothing to do with ircher and it feels like he's constructed a whole narrative in his head based on things that didn't even happen