Datisi's Café [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 2.02

with 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-04 01:00:00).

firing

Roden [5]:

mastina, Andresvmb, Klick, Ausuka, Uncrowned

Titus [3]:

Roden, fireisredsir, Lukewarm

Vivax [2]:

Ydrasse, furtiveglance

Lukewarm [1]:

Vivax

furtiveglance [1]:

Malakittens

not voting [5]:

PenguinPower, Titus, jjh927, RCEnigma, Something_Smart

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[furtiveglance]

Vivax:
1.

Spoiler:

The BBT kill is the weirdest

.

Tell me more about the why of that one please, while I keep reading.

VOTE: FurtiveGlance

Yeah you got me, as mafia I smoked Nero and Petapan but not BBT, so it was confusing to see his name on the deadlist. As a man with zero impulse control I simply had to remark on this, so I awkwardly called it weird. You're not allowed to claim mafia with other people but if hypothetically Fireisredsir was mafia with me, do you really think we'd both spot the kill we didn't do with our insane deduction skills and just go "yeah, that wasn't us" at the same time? The serious answer to this is that BBT was doing nothing and a POE scumread for literally everyone in the game, not the usual nightkill profile.

1.1

Spoiler:

But scum seeing BBT play like that could assume he was hiding a good PR

I mean potentially, this thought didn't enter my mind, BBT was inactive as VT last Newbie we played together.

2.

Spoiler:

Ircher hasn't been on since this. It totally assumes 17/4 whereas I assumed 16/5 like other large games I've seen.

@Vivax would you argue Scum makes this post? Like why the vote there?

Why shouldn't scum make that post or vote Ircher?
Titus argued that Ircher was frozen, FG said Ircher wasn't on, then voted him anyway.

Correction: I voted Ircher in 198. I said Ircher wasn't on in 319.

2.1

Spoiler:

As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.

Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?

Ircher hasn't been on since this. It totally assumes 17/4 whereas I assumed 16/5 like other large games I've seen.

Ok....does the setup state how many scum and I missed it?

No, the setup states we don't know. The point is Ircher could be doing a sus TMI scum slip!

We shouldn't fire Ydrasse, I think they're an Employee. I'll vote Ircher for now but I might unvote if they come on and explain why they thought 17/4.

VOTE: Ircher

Uncrowned I voted someone.

Yeah cause when you see TMI as town you announce you‘re going to unvote if it‘s explained
As if burying Ircher at 9/11 votes could be called an interrogation

Yeah, if Ircher had given a list of 17/4 games either that he'd played in or just large theme games he'd spectated and it turned out 17/4 was the norm not 16/5, then I would have considered unvoting. But his return to the game was really lacklustre, it didn't seem proportionate to being wagoned up so hard. I don't know if you're calling me the 9/11 'burier', but I was actually the 4th 'burier' out of 11. If you mean that I was 'interrogating' Ircher in 960 and below when he was on 9/11 votes, it wasn't really intended as interrogation, just some intensive questioning.

3.

Spoiler:

I‘m starting to crawl out of my FG tunnel, maybe. After having one of my mystical phases yet again (quite a heated one)

Can probably interpret the very aggressive defenses of his town status as some sort of scum trying hard to look right on my wrong guess.
Contemplating if Ydrasse gets the spot for that vote by Ircher, or S_S if I retract the TR after yet another FG def.

But damn, reading too much really does drive you nuts at times when you don‘t dismiss everything as superstition.
Turns you into some kind of incandescent anomaly, or a puddle. Funny how the mind works. I‘ll still take a concept of outer divinity over IT when it‘s the same recurring theme for millennia. Why does it seem to be so hard coded into us you think? And it‘s quite capable at times.

Is this just about Lukewarm or are you scumreading Andres or Mastina?

BBT does make more sense as a Vig shot, and no one else is claiming it. There's a possibility that scum!Vivax decided to smoke BBT to set up a Vig claim, but that just seems dumb. To that end, I'll shift my vote.

UNVOTE: Vivax

[Uncrowned]

shift it to who tho

[furtiveglance]

shift it to who tho

im thinking tho

[Roden]

Why did you decide to use this role?

...What? Why does anyone ever use a role?

[Ausuka]

ok yeah you have to be scum

[Ausuka]

public announcer

welcome,

Ircher

! you are a

public announcer

, aligned with

the inspectors

!

it turned out that the experience from your previous "career" of running your own vlog is actually coming in handy.

factional abilities:

you are a member of the inspectors, along with

|

[REDACTED]

|

. you may talk with your living teammates in the inspectors private topic, located

|

[REDACTED]

|

. you may talk there at any time as long as you are alive. once every night, a living member of the inspectors may submit a factional action of attempting to get a player fired.

night abilities:

public service announcement

- during the night, use this ability. assuming no interference with your action, the mod will publicly post an anonymous message (of your choosing) at daystart.

win condition:

you win once all threats to

the inspectors

have been fired, or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and at least one member of

the inspectors

is still in the game.

the main thread is here. please confirm by replying to this pm with your role name, or by posting in your pt.

Roden is talking as if his role PM looks something like this

If it did, I mean, why not use your ability?

[furtiveglance]

I don't really get why Roden would claim at daystart, as either alignment. The town!Roden idea that petapan could back his claim doesn't make a lot of sense because the message doesn't reveal alignment, and also Roden could just target someone else on another night. But scum!Roden has no need to claim frame 1 either, if anything it just gets him a lot of attention.

[furtiveglance]

I'm between Malakittens and Something_Smart for a vote destination.

[furtiveglance]

I was gonna vote peta though so I guess I can't be that mad.

This is sus

VOTE: Something_Smart

[furtiveglance]

To be clear, mastina:

As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.

Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?

This is the primary reason I think Luke can't be scum.
I'd love to see a convincing perspective on why Luke actively decides to make this post as scum. Because otherwise, I agree that he's a pretty simple choice for PoE.

This is an underrated point. Lukewarm town for me as well, why start a wagon on your buddy out of nowhere?

[Something_Smart]

Worth noting, I don't think Ircher's role would actually show up guilty to a TA, because it's not private communication. I've asked Datisi.

Confirmed that I was right about this.

[jjh927]

Why did you decide to use this role?

...What? Why does anyone ever use a role?

Could you elaborate on the full percentage costs including the extra for the reply thing?

[jjh927]

Worth noting, I don't think Ircher's role would actually show up guilty to a TA, because it's not private communication. I've asked Datisi.

Confirmed that I was right about this.

Also yeah that makes sense

I actually had this thought after going offline while trying to get to sleep

[Lukewarm]

Roden is talking as if his role PM looks something like this

If it did, I mean, why not use your ability?

I have seen several people ask why he would use his ability if he is town, but it feels you are skipping past how little productivity he claimed that it needed.

ngl, if I had a PR that only needed 5% I'm not really sure that I would not have ended up using it even if its bad, on the basis of "well its just 5%." With 17 townies alive, that is as a shift of the town average by -0.29% -- which does feel kinda irrelevant.

Like it only affects the scum kill count if the town is exactly inside the 75.00%-75.29% | 50.00%-50.29% | 25.00% - 25.29% before considering him.

5% would actually be irrelevant in 99.13% of all possible town productivity levels.

[Ausuka]

Yeah nvm I thought he used the modifier because he said he wanted to ask peta how to use the role but he said he didn't earlier

[Something_Smart]

This is sus

Why

[Roden]

ok yeah you have to be scum

public announcer

welcome,

Ircher

! you are a

public announcer

, aligned with

the inspectors

!

it turned out that the experience from your previous "career" of running your own vlog is actually coming in handy.

factional abilities:

you are a member of the inspectors, along with

|

[REDACTED]

|

. you may talk with your living teammates in the inspectors private topic, located

|

[REDACTED]

|

. you may talk there at any time as long as you are alive. once every night, a living member of the inspectors may submit a factional action of attempting to get a player fired.

night abilities:

public service announcement

- during the night, use this ability. assuming no interference with your action, the mod will publicly post an anonymous message (of your choosing) at daystart.

win condition:

you win once all threats to

the inspectors

have been fired, or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and at least one member of

the inspectors

is still in the game.

the main thread is here. please confirm by replying to this pm with your role name, or by posting in your pt.

Roden is talking as if his role PM looks something like this

If it did, I mean, why not use your ability?

Can you just tell me what you're actually accusing me of here

Because right now you're having a conversation but it's not with me

[furtiveglance]

earlier i thought vivax could be scum TMIing that the BBT kill was a vig kill, since he didnt seem to understand that me/furtive were talking from the perspective of thinking "this is a weird kill for mafia to make"

but in addition to thinking his play just feels like his towngame, i think its more likely that he is actually just a vig TMIing that BBT kill was a vig kill

Hard disagree, to me both Peta and Nero were weird kills. Peta makes sense off the info Lukewarm gave, and Nero...idk, maybe him hinting he had some kind of scavenger role?
But scum seeing BBT play like that could assume he was hiding a good PR, and so he did. So why should it be weird, unless you knew the kills?

Kinda surprised Uncrowned isn't dead tbh, gave you quite a bit of fire

(Fire is probably scum #2, with Roden.)

I can't spot anything scummy about Roden, it's a placid tone

I can.

Aside from play, the claim is a scumclaim.

Mastina, I'm struggling to think of how this could be the case. I would say don't worry about sharing your argument, if Ircher's setup speculation was real then there are only 3 mafia left, I don't think scum fakeclaiming in future is a massive problem.

[Roden]

Why did you decide to use this role?

...What? Why does anyone ever use a role?

Could you elaborate on the full percentage costs including the extra for the reply thing?

I already did........

[Lukewarm]

Can you just tell me what you're actually accusing me of here

Because right now you're having a conversation but it's not with me

She is saying that your role is bad, and any townie would have chosen to not use their ability.

And since you used your ability, you must be scum.

[Lukewarm]

Why did you decide to use this role?

...What? Why does anyone ever use a role?

Could you elaborate on the full percentage costs including the extra for the reply thing?

I already did........

I see where you claiming 5% with no modifier.

I don't see where you claimed the % with the modifier

[Ausuka]

I mean honestly I still think that role should never be used because mailman is basically useless imo and if there are multiple such roles which have low percentages they can give scum a nightkill without doing much, if anything, for town

That said I guess I could see someone not agreeing

pedit: What I was getting at is it's easier to ignore the percentages when it's not in your role PM and your first response to me was just like "why would anyone ever not use a role" which I was kind of baffled by

That said now I remember you said you used the 5% version the point isn't as important

[furtiveglance]

This is sus

Why

It's talking about a nightkill in a conversational way, and the obvious implication is that you would never nightkill Petapan because you were about to vote them. It's you giving yourself towncred and broadcasting it, like Obama with the medal.

[Roden]

Can you just tell me what you're actually accusing me of here

Because right now you're having a conversation but it's not with me

She is saying that your role is bad, and any townie would have chosen to not use their ability.

And since you used your ability, you must be scum.

Why...do I bring up my role or how useless it is then? Like, willingly, as scum, unprompted?