Datisi's Café [game over!]

[furtiveglance]

Can you just tell me what you're actually accusing me of here

Because right now you're having a conversation but it's not with me

She is saying that your role is bad, and any townie would have chosen to not use their ability.

And since you used your ability, you must be scum.

Why...do I bring up my role or how useless it is then? Like, willingly, as scum, unprompted?

Ok but why did you bring it up?

[Something_Smart]

It's talking about a nightkill in a conversational way, and the obvious implication is that you would never nightkill Petapan because you were about to vote them. It's you giving yourself towncred and broadcasting it, like Obama with the medal.

Sure, that's why I might do it as scum. Why do you think I wouldn't be likely to do it as town? (Also, don't you think I would find that rather heavy-handed, as I voted peta yesterday but didn't actually express any scumread of him?)

[Roden]

Can you just tell me what you're actually accusing me of here

Because right now you're having a conversation but it's not with me

She is saying that your role is bad, and any townie would have chosen to not use their ability.

And since you used your ability, you must be scum.

Why...do I bring up my role or how useless it is then? Like, willingly, as scum, unprompted?

Ok but why did you bring it up?

Because I targeted someone who died and you literally asked me to clarify?

[Something_Smart]

Sure, that's why I might do it as scum. Why do you think I wouldn't be likely to do it as town? (Also, don't you think I would find that rather heavy-handed, as I voted peta yesterday but didn't actually express any scumread of him?)

And actually, given how odd it is for me to vote someone at the beginning of the day, I don't think I would expect to get towncred from that. That seems like it would have been a correct expectation, because nobody has called it towny and you've called it directly scummy. It would be a poor and facile attempt at towncred, and my towncred grabs are usually a lot more layered than that.

[Roden]

If I got seen by a Tracker or Watcher it's a better play for town to just say I targeted someone who died than to let a town PR potentially out themself with a false guilty

[furtiveglance]

It's talking about a nightkill in a conversational way, and the obvious implication is that you would never nightkill Petapan because you were about to vote them. It's you giving yourself towncred and broadcasting it, like Obama with the medal.

Sure, that's why I might do it as scum. Why do you think I wouldn't be likely to do it as town? (Also, don't you think I would find that rather heavy-handed, as I voted peta yesterday but didn't actually express any scumread of him?)

I guess you could do it as town. Yeah it would be sort of heavy-handed as mafia. But neither of these things indicate that you're town more than being mafia. Why do you keep lowering the bar for yourself by saying your towngame is super neutral and pedestrian? I mean posts like 205 and 1212. (I thought there were more like this in your ISO but couldn't find any). You've given a few reads but haven't been the most gung-ho.

Talk more about
1) your read on Mastina
2) Scumpool/likely vote destination today

[Ausuka]

Roden is talking as if his role PM looks something like this

If it did, I mean, why not use your ability?

I have seen several people ask why he would use his ability if he is town, but it feels you are skipping past how little productivity he claimed that it needed.

ngl, if I had a PR that only needed 5% I'm not really sure that I would not have ended up using it even if its bad, on the basis of "well its just 5%." With 17 townies alive, that is as a shift of the town average by -0.29% -- which does feel kinda irrelevant.

Like it only affects the scum kill count if the town is exactly inside the 75.00%-75.29% | 50.00%-50.29% | 25.00% - 25.29% before considering him.

5% would actually be irrelevant in 99.13% of all possible town productivity levels.

I guess it doesn't matter that much but I just fundamentally disagree with this line of thinking. Sure you might not individually make much difference but cumulatively people thinking this way can absolutely give mafia free kills

[furtiveglance]

Can you just tell me what you're actually accusing me of here

Because right now you're having a conversation but it's not with me

She is saying that your role is bad, and any townie would have chosen to not use their ability.

And since you used your ability, you must be scum.

Why...do I bring up my role or how useless it is then? Like, willingly, as scum, unprompted?

Ok but why did you bring it up?

Because I targeted someone who died and you literally asked me to clarify?

I asked you to clarify, after you already let the cat out of the bag. That doesn't mean I asked you whether or not you had a cat, and to release it if you did have one. Were you planning on Petapan backing you up? Why should they, your role could be mafia.

[Roden]

Ausuka I don't believe that you think -5% out of 1700% actually matters

If you did you would've lost your mind the moment Mastina said she would do 0% productivity

[Ausuka]

I am hoping she has an extremely good reason for doing so

[Roden]

Can you just tell me what you're actually accusing me of here

Because right now you're having a conversation but it's not with me

She is saying that your role is bad, and any townie would have chosen to not use their ability.

And since you used your ability, you must be scum.

Why...do I bring up my role or how useless it is then? Like, willingly, as scum, unprompted?

Ok but why did you bring it up?

Because I targeted someone who died and you literally asked me to clarify?

I asked you to clarify, after you already let the cat out of the bag. That doesn't mean I asked you whether or not you had a cat, and to release it if you did have one. Were you planning on Petapan backing you up? Why should they, your role could be mafia.

Why would I think Peta would back me up??

[Lukewarm]

Okay, I think that I am here (Tiers unsorted)

Ausuka
furtiveglance
Roden
Vivax
Klick
fireisredsir
Ydrasse
Andresvmb
Malakittens

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Uncrowned
jjh927
Something_Smart
PenguinPower

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RCEnigma

Titus
mastina

I think that Mastina is actually always scum here, but I also don't think that anyone is going to consider voting her prior to her finishing her day 4 schtick

[furtiveglance]

Can you just tell me what you're actually accusing me of here

Because right now you're having a conversation but it's not with me

She is saying that your role is bad, and any townie would have chosen to not use their ability.

And since you used your ability, you must be scum.

Why...do I bring up my role or how useless it is then? Like, willingly, as scum, unprompted?

Ok but why did you bring it up?

Because I targeted someone who died and you literally asked me to clarify?

I asked you to clarify, after you already let the cat out of the bag. That doesn't mean I asked you whether or not you had a cat, and to release it if you did have one. Were you planning on Petapan backing you up? Why should they, your role could be mafia.

Why would I think Peta would back me up??

I thought the implication was that you anticipated some pressure today, saw that the other player who could attest to your role was dead and decided to claim your role.

[Roden]

I am hoping she has an extremely good reason for doing so

Scum response

[Ausuka]

I am hoping she has an extremely good reason for doing so

Scum response

Lol

[Roden]

Can you just tell me what you're actually accusing me of here

Because right now you're having a conversation but it's not with me

She is saying that your role is bad, and any townie would have chosen to not use their ability.

And since you used your ability, you must be scum.

Why...do I bring up my role or how useless it is then? Like, willingly, as scum, unprompted?

Ok but why did you bring it up?

Because I targeted someone who died and you literally asked me to clarify?

I asked you to clarify, after you already let the cat out of the bag. That doesn't mean I asked you whether or not you had a cat, and to release it if you did have one. Were you planning on Petapan backing you up? Why should they, your role could be mafia.

Why would I think Peta would back me up??

I thought the implication was that you anticipated some pressure today, saw that the other player who could attest to your role was dead and decided to claim your role.

If I got seen by a Tracker or Watcher it's a better play for town to just say I targeted someone who died than to let a town PR potentially out themself with a false guilty

[Lukewarm]

I guess it doesn't matter that much but I just fundamentally disagree with this line of thinking. Sure you might not individually make much difference but cumulatively people thinking this way can absolutely give mafia free kills

I understand your point. Running that role at 100% productivity is probably optimal.

But I also don't think that it is unreasonable for him to have come to the conclusion that his own 5% didn't matter because it was so low.

[Something_Smart]

But neither of these things indicate that you're town more than being mafia.

Well, I think the second post that I made argues that that post is actually town-indicative for me, but you'd have to know me very well to believe it so I wouldn't expect you to. I was at least just trying to understand the reasoning to see if I could change your mind about it being scum-indicative.

Why do you keep lowering the bar for yourself by saying your towngame is super neutral and pedestrian?

Well, I wouldn't say that's what 205 is-- there was a post that I thought implied that I was especially known for wagon analysis. I can do it, sure, but I'm not an expert at it or anything. 1212 is just the truth, lol. My towngame is pretty neutral and pedestrian.

[Roden]

I am hoping she has an extremely good reason for doing so

Scum response

Lol

-5% is scummy

-100% earns a shrug

That's not a townie thought process

[Lukewarm]

For what its worth Roden, I feel like the way that Ausuka has been questioning you looks townie, even if she is wrong.

[furtiveglance]

Okay, I think that I am here (Tiers unsorted)

Ausuka
furtiveglance
Roden
Vivax
Klick
fireisredsir
Ydrasse
Andresvmb
Malakittens

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Uncrowned
jjh927
Something_Smart
PenguinPower

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RCEnigma

Titus
mastina

I think that Mastina is actually always scum here, but I also don't think that anyone is going to consider voting her prior to her finishing her day 4 schtick

Nice area tag, I should use that. A few Qs, Why Malakittens high? Why Uncrowned untowned? JJH posted enough for a read on D1, a townread I think, but at least an alignment read. And lastly.... I could vote Mastina today, if she continues being so opaque.

[Ausuka]

I guess it doesn't matter that much but I just fundamentally disagree with this line of thinking. Sure you might not individually make much difference but cumulatively people thinking this way can absolutely give mafia free kills

I understand your point. Running that role at 100% productivity is probably optimal.

But I also don't think that it is unreasonable for him to have come to the conclusion that his own 5% didn't matter because it was so low.

Yeah I mean I'm just voting him because I think he's been scummy now which is also the reason I did it in the first place so

[Roden]

For what its worth Roden, I feel like the way that Ausuka has been questioning you looks townie, even if she is wrong.

I don't think she's questioning me at all. It's busy work with clear intent to get me with a "gotcha" moment without doing anything to actually solve me or try to read me.

[Ausuka]

I am hoping she has an extremely good reason for doing so

Scum response

Lol

-5% is scummy

-100% earns a shrug

That's not a townie thought process

After I realised you used the 5% version I haven't called it scummy once

[Lukewarm]

Nice area tag, I should use that. A few Qs, Why Malakittens high? Why Uncrowned untowned? JJH posted enough for a read on D1, a townread I think, but at least an alignment read. And lastly.... I could vote Mastina today, if she continues being so opaque.

Mala is mostly vibes. She also had a bit of prickliness day 1 that seemed less likely to come from scum wanting to get people to town read her.

I have retained zero thoughts about any post untowned has made. Probably deserves an ISO, but have not gotten there.

Every post that I remember from JJH was about mechs, which seems like something he would want to talk about as either alignment. Also someone that an ISO might help clear up, but right now he is there.