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[Titus]

im caught up but p out of it rn

i think this looks more like town titus than d1 did so i feel better there ig

i do think it's p possible that scum hard bussed once they saw the slip and one of the other main possibilities would be luke, but idk i just don't see his approach to the game as scummy at all. re-eval on vivax seemed fairly natural with just the appropriate amount of lingering pride before switching away. will try to read more closely and compare to scum games when i have more of a brain but my brief impression was that he was kinda a overwhelm with Goodposting and lots of content scum player, and didn't always match tone in the way i think he has here

one issue i do have with luke ig is i don't understand the ausuka townread, i don't think the roden interaction is remotely clearing and besides that i don't think she's been very towny yet. the lampshading of "yes im playing differently, it's on purpose!" felt kinda off to me

VOTE: ausuka

How does this not comment on Roden or SS?

[Vivax]

firing

Roden [5]:

mastina, Andresvmb, Klick, Ausuka, Uncrowned

Titus [3]:

Roden, fireisredsir, Lukewarm

The Titus wagon sticks out to me for its constituents

Oh yeah that wagon is scummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Like, is literally my three scumreads, scum.

I wonder why?

Could it perhaps be that they know they're fucked if they lose Roden and they're hoping that they can push a wagon through on Titus?

I could see it, had the same thought when bringing it up but I‘m less sure on Roden.
But I am currently blending into the crowd that made the funniest posts for me. Got to reward them.
Uncrowned kinda strict fella but Penguin is cool

[Something_Smart]

First, scum generally propose town are honest. Since you didn't see gamebreaking, it's not a stretch you inferred it. Second, scum get powers too. Both alignments would want to investigate her. So you could know that way. The lack of doubt and analysis is suspect.

Town also propose town are honest? Why would my belief about whether town-mastina would lie depend on my alignment?

It's true that I could be scum who investigated her, but I'm pretty much pushing the same angle as I was yesterday.

[mastina]

[This post

might

be a scumslip.]

It's not.

Is it possible we have S v S wagons and scum were trying to get my wagon to go?

I mean if I was wrong about Something_Smart then yes, Roden v S_S would be scum v scum, with the scum being primarily off of both wagons.

I do think that both wagons are exclusively town, mind you, because the actual scum were all on you. But while both wagons are town-led, Roden is scum and Something_Smart is town.

[Titus]

We could go round and round SS. Not giving you the opportunity to look town by continuing an argument that distracts from hunting.. I think you were TMIing. I know I can't prove it.

[fireisredsir]

also i guess i should say that i don't really trust mastina at all, not super interested in sheeping reads there

roden seems alright so far. the claim has a couple weird things about it but i think that it could come from town. i don't really want to get into that discussion too much yet due to reasons, but the play outside of that seems maybe a little scummy

ig the main reason i don't want to vote there is bc of mastina, but maybe that's dumb, idk

[Vivax]

Wait yume is playing with ircher?

i thought this was a no hydra game

<3

peta put simply the ones who 'know' into the bad vibes category

If you are Artanis I will find you btw

[fireisredsir]

im caught up but p out of it rn

i think this looks more like town titus than d1 did so i feel better there ig

i do think it's p possible that scum hard bussed once they saw the slip and one of the other main possibilities would be luke, but idk i just don't see his approach to the game as scummy at all. re-eval on vivax seemed fairly natural with just the appropriate amount of lingering pride before switching away. will try to read more closely and compare to scum games when i have more of a brain but my brief impression was that he was kinda a overwhelm with Goodposting and lots of content scum player, and didn't always match tone in the way i think he has here

one issue i do have with luke ig is i don't understand the ausuka townread, i don't think the roden interaction is remotely clearing and besides that i don't think she's been very towny yet. the lampshading of "yes im playing differently, it's on purpose!" felt kinda off to me

VOTE: ausuka

How does this not comment on Roden or SS?

i was getting there, at least on roden

SS i failed to read successfully in my previous time i had to do so, so i don't feel super confident, but i did at least correctly strongly townread him early, and so far he is lacking the things that i correctly townread him for (not fact checking this rn, but to my memory at least)

i think he could be scum but he's a player that i have trouble feeling good about a read on bc of playstyle

[mastina]

VOTE: SS
Will consider a Roden vote upon review as that's a strong mastina read.

Titus my townread on Something_Smart is even stronger than my scumread on Roden.

I can't see how. Throw me a bone.

Also, I did confirm with the mod that there is guaranteed to be at least one VT in the game. I assume there is also more than one VT in the game, and guessing the ratio of PR to VT is probably pretty important. I was estimating somewhere around 2:1 to 1:1-- having too many VT's makes it trivially easy to keep productivity up. Since we need to average at least 75%, if we assume 2:1 PR:VT, the PR's would need to average around 62%, which honestly isn't bad.

The tricky thing is that hitting way too high is also pretty devastating for town because we lose a lot of power. So we should probably aim for no higher than 85%, which would require a PR average of 78%.

So my (almost) completely uninformed take is that most PR's should be producing between 62-78%. Since mastina is committed to 0 and is probably roughly 10% of town's PR's, shift that up 10% for today, so 68-86%.

For the record, I am also locktownning Something Smart for this post.

This is setup, maths and probability spec from someone who obviously loves this kind of thing. How is it town indicative?

Because it reveals Something_Smart as town in a way that I'd prefer to not elaborate on. He's locktown; the why he's locktown for that is not something I want to share.

Mastina, I'm struggling to think of how this could be the case. I would say don't worry about sharing your argument, if Ircher's setup speculation was real then there are only 3 mafia left, I don't think scum fakeclaiming in future is a massive problem.

Why catch only two scum fakeclaiming when you can catch three or four by not revealing how they're fucking up their fakeclaims?

Not all scum have to fakeclaim

I mean, sure, but that will also work against them.

Scum who botch their fakeclaim get eliminated.

Scum who don't fakeclaim have no claim to save them from getting eliminated.

It's only scum producing a not-botched fakeclaim that gives them a chance to survive, so not giving them the keys to make one is for the best.

[Titus]

If he's locktown for reasons you prefer not to share, then I can't follow that. I'm with furtive there. I'm not sure of his alignment but his comments resonate with me.

[fireisredsir]

mastina you are aware that there is a sample pm in the opening posts, right?

it really seems like you are not aware of that

it would be p funny if none of the scumteam read it

[Titus]

mastina you are aware that there is a sample pm in the opening posts, right?

it really seems like you are not aware of that

it would be p funny if none of the scumteam read it

What are your reads on SS and Roden?

[fireisredsir]

i just gave them?

[PenguinPower]

If you are Artanis I will find you btw

[Titus]

i just gave them?

Missed it. Where?

[fireisredsir]

1405 and 1407

literally right above you

[Vivax]

Fire to town and gets my sword. Fully embrace the risk of pocket.

P-edit: A gingerninja with afro who wears sunglasses inside from my former community lol
Also very meme-heavy poster

VOTE: Ausuka

[Vivax]

Anyone know what‘s with Ydrasse? It‘s like she‘s experiencing realtime shrinkage as the game progresses

[Ausuka]

I am hoping she has an extremely good reason for doing so

Scum response

Lol

-5% is scummy

-100% earns a shrug

That's not a townie thought process

After I realised you used the 5% version I haven't called it scummy once

I don't understand why you're arguing the logistics of using a 5% ability then.

1) it felt like people were pressing me on it and I wanted to respond
2) a very small chance of this denying mafia a kill is better than zero chance i guess!

I mean I haven't been that talkative in general, I do think your d1 was scummy and that was the main reason I voted

The reason you gave for voting me was that you wanted a full claim. You didn't mention anything about your read on me or what you found scummy.

that wasn't a reason, i said i wanted a full claim because mastina and jjh were saying your claim was like possibly mechanically scum or something along those lines

the reason I voted you was because I saw that you were a wagon, I read your ISO and saw that you just kind of like, didn't acknowledge the Ircher wagon really? and didn't like your vibes in general so decided to add my vote to it

[Ausuka]

I've felt since early on this game that Ausuka has upped the meme/openwolf/casual posting style compared to Mini Normal 2279, and 534 just feels like a get-out clause. Yeah they said busy IRL but the post count isn't the difference (or not what I'm noticing anyway). 1012 bringing Petapan's voice to the fore could possibly explain that kill i.e. framekill Titus. 1033 is prescient but possible to speculate as town. 1281 et al struck me as LAMIST recently, and I do think Roden correctly finds Ausuka guilty of inconsistency regarding him and Mastina. Scumlean

I mean if you don't believe I am more busy after starting university compared to before that, idk what to tell you - postcount doesn't equate to time spent on the game, there's a correlation but of course making short and less comprehensive posts is going to be easier

I think acknowledging dead town is often a good idea

Mastina is unclaimed and I don't know what she's trying to use the productivity points for is the big difference there, how am I supposed to comment without knowing basically *anything* about the situation

[fireisredsir]

Anyone know what‘s with Ydrasse? It‘s like she‘s experiencing realtime shrinkage as the game progresses

she did say in sign-ups that she wanted a hydra to "drag her limp corpse around", so i think its not too unexpected

i was kinda watching her d1 with some slight suspicion, some of her posting reminded me of panic room where she was scum and fooled me p well, but i know peta caught on to her there pretty quickly and had her as a townlean here, so im putting some trust in that

[Ausuka]

I feel like some people have been scumreading Mala which like

I feel like I remember her being like a polarised player and I was under the impression this was her town meta? Is this not the case

[Ausuka]

one issue i do have with luke ig is i don't understand the ausuka townread, i don't think the roden interaction is remotely clearing and besides that i don't think she's been very towny yet. the lampshading of "yes im playing differently, it's on purpose!" felt kinda off to me

I mean, this was in response to peta talking about my meta, can you elaborate on what exactly about it you find odd

[Vivax]

Anyone know what‘s with Ydrasse? It‘s like she‘s experiencing realtime shrinkage as the game progresses

she did say in sign-ups that she wanted a hydra to "drag her limp corpse around", so i think its not too unexpected

i was kinda watching her d1 with some slight suspicion, some of her posting reminded me of panic room where she was scum and fooled me p well, but i know peta caught on to her there pretty quickly and had her as a townlean here, so im putting some trust in that

The posts on MU when I came back from hiatus were a lot different, both as town and scum.
Reads like omega level-burnout, or maybe it‘s cause I‘ve caused a bunch to go into mass psychosis with the mumbojumbo (I don‘t know for sure since I‘m in front lf the curtain and can only guess)

But yeh, that‘s kinda my little secret talent apparently

[Ausuka]

vote count 2.03

with 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-04 01:00:00).

firing

Roden [5]:

mastina, Andresvmb, Klick, Ausuka, Malakittens

Something_Smart [5]:

furtiveglance, PenguinPower, Titus, Uncrowned, Vivax

Titus [3]:

Roden, fireisredsir, Lukewarm

Vivax [1]:

Ydrasse

not voting [3]:

jjh927, RCEnigma, Something_Smart

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vote count 1.01

with 21 votes in play, it takes 11 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-09-29 01:45:00).

firing

Ausuka [5]:

Ircher, fireisredsir, Uncrowned, Ydrasse, BlueBloodedToffee

Ydrasse [4]:

Roden, Andresvmb, jjh927, RCEnigma

Ircher [3]:

mastina, petapan, Lukewarm

mastina [3]:

Nero Cain, Malakittens, Klick

Lukewarm [1]:

Vivax

Something_Smart [1]:

PenguinPower

not voting [4]:

Ausuka, furtiveglance, Titus, Something_Smart

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I like Ydrasse as town based on how things have progressed so far. Not really seeing the ausuka wagon. Not feeling mastina, even if I disagree on strategy.

VOTE: Ircher

i mean now we play the game

what's more likely

mr. ircher just guessed the ratio or he's a very informed doggo

Why suppose he's right?

Dude's not town but I hate slip arguments

Specifically I'd like titus to elaborate on why she thought Ircher is scum without buying into the TMI argument - she votes him without really pushing there and then says 'dude's not town'

Her progression around ircher and linking him with SS just feels sort of awkward, imo

@Titus sorry if I missed it but I'd like you to explain your Ircher read before the whole frozen thing?