Datisi's Café [game over!]

[fireisredsir]

I mean you linked to posts from day 1 which you claimed showed that I was walking it back so that doesn't seem like what you actually believe?

providing additional reasons for why you would be playing differently, while it did draw my attention to you seeming to not have a consistent mindset, is v different than walking the original statement back completely and saying that you were in no way intending to imply that you were playing differently for strategic reasons

and im p sure if you had done that d1 then peta would have jumped on you for it

except I never said that and obviously saying that I'm busier is basically the same thing as what I'm saying now so ???

It really feels like you're making this up. I understand why someone would be suspicious of me in a vacuum but this argument feels like you started at the premise "ausuka is scum" and then made up reasoning to reach that viewpoint. Like, why would I use different strategies for targeting peta - someone I have never even played with outside marathon games - than anyone else???

ok my initial reaction was to be frustrated with this, but after sitting back and thinking on it, it feels like it's possible that i might just be reading a lot more into some of your phrasing than you were probably intending?

and the fact that you seem to still not be understanding the nuance makes me think you might actually just be town bc idk if this is the approach that you take if you were scum who does actually know what im talking about

ill drop it for now ig

VOTE: RCE

[Lukewarm]

Scrolled through Nero Cain's iso to see who might want Nero dead, and gotta say. It is absolutely wild that Nero and Peta were both killed in a town Vivax world.

How come RNG is so cruel and wouldn't grant me bullets? I'd give petapans left foot to see a dead Vivax

But also, I could see the scum team thinking Nero was a vig, although the "softs" were pretty loud to be real. But if they did believe it, it might have had more to do with that then any of his reads.

I names I found that he might want dead are :

Ircher, Vivax,

Mala, Titus, Mastina

Spoiler:

this is a dumb post and totes not what he said.

If anything, Mastina is bussing him.

Wouldn't be the first time Titus bussed her teammate

ircher, mala and vivax.

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Peta was

Vivax

,

Ausuka, Titus

bad vibes:

vivax
ausuka
titus

(latter two stronger than the former where i may not have a grasp of playstyle)

[Vivax]

Scrolled through Nero Cain's iso to see who might want Nero dead, and gotta say. It is absolutely wild that Nero and Peta were both killed in a town Vivax world.

How come RNG is so cruel and wouldn't grant me bullets? I'd give petapans left foot to see a dead Vivax

But also, I could see the scum team thinking Nero was a vig, although the "softs" were pretty loud to be real. But if they did believe it, it might have had more to do with that then any of his reads.

I names I found that he might want dead are :

Ircher, Vivax,

Mala, Titus, Mastina

Spoiler:

this is a dumb post and totes not what he said.

If anything, Mastina is bussing him.

Wouldn't be the first time Titus bussed her teammate

ircher, mala and vivax.

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Peta was

Vivax

,

Ausuka, Titus

bad vibes:

vivax
ausuka
titus

(latter two stronger than the former where i may not have a grasp of playstyle)

Damn I've gotten lazy. Thanks. Tbh I need to get my mind to other things than mafia and am slacking heavily and getting my soul sucked in by this thing too much, but that's just the nature of the matter called internet, or leviathan maybe, or jormungandr, or python.
I keep wondering if various religions kept talking about this thing, I could see it.

So what do you think of just lazy inheriting Ausuka and Titus SR's here? Considering how Nero was threatening me most of the time, one could assume the reads would have been a good motivator for scum to shoot him.

[Vivax]

If you're in the mood for some introspection, assign the attribute:
Bites the hands that feeds to players in this game while you are at it too
and decide if it's a virtue or a sin

or don't, it's of no relevance to me

[Lukewarm]

I just want to say that the way that Mastina approached Ircher is the text book way that scum!Mastina engages with her scum partners.

Scum!Mastina talking about her scum buddies, scum!Ircher and scum!cephrir in Control. (I know these posts are in the 400's, but they are all in the first like 5 posts mastina made in the game. It kinda took off while she was busy)

Spoiler:

First
VOTE: MUSH

Good evening
VOTE: Bell

Scum.

Bell
Save The Dragons
The Three Bears (Titus, Flea the Magician, Noraa)
NorwegianboyEE
Tet
Roden
tictac
Malakittens
Lady Lambdadelta

Dwlee99
Princess Elodie
Greeting

T3

MUSHSHAGANA
Toogeloo

Galron
MegAzumarill

Arcade Pals (Dunnstral, MariaR)

Ircher
Cephrir

Kinda surprised that I genuinely have a good readslist from literally just two pages but this is genuinely seriously actually a good readslist imo.

Coloring is mine, but Cephrir, Ircher, and Aracde Pals are her partners.

This is, very obviously, Cephrir's scumgame. LLD was dead on the money with her accusation there. If I wasn't sheeping LLD's vote on Ircher I'd be voting Ceph to be honest because he's transparently scum and has been since page two.

This is, very obviously, not Ircher's towngame. LLD's suspicion there is dead on the money and her accusation there is good, so I am all too happy to sheep her there because she's right.

Arcade Pals instantly gave off incredibly bad vibes and while they're not as lockscum as Ircher and Cephrir are, they're still pretty damn suspect.

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??!Mastina talking about scum!Ircher in this game:

Spoiler:

VOTE: Ausuka

VOTE: Ircher

Scum.

Btw Roden is scum here pretty sure.

Because they didn’t read carefully enough?

No, because I've played with Roden enough to know that this isn’t Rodens towngame.
Roden is also not likely to genuinely make the mistake as town.

Beyond that, the contribution is generically a scum one regardless of the above.

is this premise the same one behind your ircher vote

The bolded, no. But the rest actually is;

this is Ircher's scumgame and I don't think he makes the entrance he did here if he were town.

I respect it, but I don't townread it. Nero's not being as obtuse/obstinate as his town self normally is.

He's not exactly as hard-scum as Ircher/Roden are

, but he's not above null yet.

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And here is every post that Ircher made before she was 1,000% sure that Ircher was scum (3 of them)

Spoiler:

VOTE: Ausuka

As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.

I think we should end the day at 50 pages.

And to be clear, she not once mentions the tmi aspect of his second post.

I struggle to believe that town!Mastina actually has this level of certainty on her Ircher read without that, and I think it makes much more sense that this is a patent pending, Mastina designed, scum/scum partner interaction.

[Lukewarm]

Damn I've gotten lazy. Thanks. Tbh I need to get my mind to other things than mafia and am slacking heavily and getting my soul sucked in by this thing too much, but that's just the nature of the matter called internet, or leviathan maybe, or jormungandr, or python.
I keep wondering if various religions kept talking about this thing, I could see it.

So what do you think of just lazy inheriting Ausuka and Titus SR's here?

I think that they are worth considering, but I don't just blindly accept others reads.

Peta's talked a lot about his Titus read, and as such I understood, and agreed with it. So, his read is part of my own read atp. But when pressed on the Ausuka read, he kinda fell back into "well, its just vibes really" so, while the Peta kill does not point away from Ausuka, I am not really factoring it into my own read of the slot.

Considering how Nero was threatening me most of the time, one could assume the reads would have been a good motivator for scum to shoot him.

I cannot actually tell if this is sarcastic or not lol

[Something_Smart]

Well honestly from that, I feel even better about following mastina on Roden

[Lukewarm]

If you already scum read Roden, then mastina being scum should probably not affect it, or vice versa.

But Mastina does not bus every partner every game. Control is just the most egregious example I know of lol

[Something_Smart]

If you already scum read Roden, then mastina being scum should probably not affect it, or vice versa.

Yeah, that's kinda how I was feeling. I feel sketchy on both of them, Uncrowned was asking if I was worried about mastina pushing mislims with the free time I want to give her, and the answer was "not really".

[Vivax]

VOTE: Lukewarm

meh
the tone is just off, isn‘t it supposed to be good?

[Vivax]

I think it‘s going to be impossible for me to ever TR Luke this game.
It‘s a miracle if they can townread themselves. Everything about them spells self-doubt

[Vivax]

And ‚I don‘t just blindly accept other‘s reads‘ is funny in context

Aside from you just having summarized them for no reason that would be relevant to you, then?

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Lukewarm

meh
the tone is just off, isn‘t it supposed to be good?

You're not getting this one. Putting aside your own thoughts, surely the logic of leading on mafia granting players temporary immunity is a healthy one for a town win.

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Lukewarm

meh
the tone is just off, isn‘t it supposed to be good?

You're not getting this one. Putting aside your own thoughts, surely the logic of leading on mafia granting players temporary immunity is a healthy one for a town win.

not getting this one today I should say

[Lukewarm]

And ‚I don‘t just blindly accept other‘s reads‘ is funny in context

Aside from you just having summarized them for no reason that would be relevant to you, then?

There is a difference between checking to see who might have a reason to want them dead, and

just lazy inheriting Ausuka and Titus SR's here?

If you don't see the difference, that's a you problem.

[Vivax]

VOTE: Lukewarm

meh
the tone is just off, isn‘t it supposed to be good?

You're not getting this one. Putting aside your own thoughts, surely the logic of leading on mafia granting players temporary immunity is a healthy one for a town win.

I‘ll use my vote symbolically then, which was kinda the point of my mafia games anyway, which is to unmask by virtue of real action in the virtuality of the realm of lies.
My academic friend is enthralled with me for this feat.

[Lukewarm]

I think it‘s going to be impossible for me to ever TR Luke this game.
It‘s a miracle if they can townread themselves. Everything about them spells self-doubt

It feels like you have repeatedly misunderstood what I was doing and why I was doing it, then asking questions based on your own misunderstanding, then calling me obviously scum because my response does not line up with that misunderstanding. Before your claim, I thought it was purposeful. But I guess not. Almost feels like we talk different languages.

Which is kinda frustrating on its own, but also you apparently have the ability to kill me out right. So that's double the fun.

I am accepting that you just kill me tonight, and I am gonna try and get all my thoughts out before the day ends. Feel free to not respond to me at all, and then kill me tonight. Engaging with you is draining and I have not really enjoyed any interaction we have had. So, I'm gonna tune you out until I am dead. And then you are probably dead too, and then we can commiserate at the fact that we both lock!scum read the other this game from the dead thread.

[Titus]

Please bare with me. I just found out work is having me on a very long road trip.

[Vivax]

That‘s a very diplomatic and reasonable approach, but I have to holster tonight anyways I think.
The only thing I commiserate is dawdling earlier, and playing too many games. I don‘t get paid for this after all and will need some place without internet soon to untrain all this scrolling.

[Vivax]

Mastina would you be interested in making a deal with me that benefits you twofold?

Okay, if Roden is Town, I would say… {Titus, RCEnigma, Uncrowned} for Scum maybe?

Awful pool.

You’re using the NK to justify your vote, which is always suspect (it’s like you haven’t even considered that Scum make kills to confuse / frame the Town). But the single most important way you’re pointing to for identifying Scum in the game from day play conflicts directly with that vote. The fact that you’re not even acknowledging that is bizarre.

I'm voting Titus because it's a read on how she plays the game as scum. She kills threats and stays low key. I can scum read her independently of how I think the scum team played around Ircher's slip. If you think that's a scummy thought process then you're gonna have to explain why because I don't get it.

I don’t hate this Titus read. Of all the Titus!scumreads this game this is the only one that doesn’t come off as BS. That said I think you’re missing the mark regardless. Titus I town here and I’d bet Fire’s life on it.


In game ofc.

What‘s the deal with betting fire‘s life?
Considering it‘s in the shortlist of Enigma at that point, one could think he‘s outing himself and fire.

VOTE: RCEnigma

Sigh...Why do I always reject votes on too obvious ones. It‘s hardcoded

[Titus]

Catching up now.

[Titus]

Specifically I'd like titus to elaborate on why she thought Ircher is scum without buying into the TMI argument - she votes him without really pushing there and then says 'dude's not town'

Her progression around ircher and linking him with SS just feels sort of awkward, imo

Part of it was bluster. I suspected Ircher wasn't town based on the fact I had initial townreads on the other wagons. If those two wagons were town, then it's likely a scum diversion. Doubly so given I didn't feel town off Ircher's posting.

Giving a strong opinion can elicit reactions. My posturing would have the effect of either a) making it near impossible to get a counterwagon going without defending Ircher or b) whiteknights of Ircher (if he was town).

When I got FoSed for pushing Ircher by multiple slots, I knew I was on the right track. I doubled down. I didn't want to be obvtown anyway, doubly so if it meant scum getting away.

After I catch up, I'll eyeball some VCA.

[Titus]

it might have only been 2 kills. BBT just seems really weird as a kill to me based on their lack of content, unless they're known to be a good player who just hadnt turned it on yet? i don't know them enough to know if that makes sense as a fearkill

i really would hope that nobody would spend enough productivity points to n1 hero shot vig but i also wouldn't be that surprised

nero and peta kills both make sense as NKs tho

Agree with this.

[Titus]

I like Ydrasse as town based on how things have progressed so far.

can you explain what made you think this? quoting the vc makes it seem like it was based on that but i don't really get it

Quoting the VC was explaining why Ircher. Getting 4 small wagons is unlikely to be all town. Sometimes, but not often, multiple scum can be wagoned. See that game where I was in the Nashville Dreams hydra. (Which reminds me Mala's probably town.)

Ydrasse was leading the group in scumhunting early so the wagon on them made no sense. The Auska wagon was wtf. Mastina is rarely someone to vote N1, even with no claim. That left Ircher as a great place to sort.

I'm shocked neither Ydrasse Ausuka or mastina died. Suggests a blatant denial of vca info since at least Ydrasse and mastina are universal TRs.

[Titus]

I would game that there’s one Scum in {Vivax, PenguinPower}. And mastina not dying is both expected and not a good sign.

Why bet the game on the scum in there? I think Vivax claimed vig. PenguinPower lockscum doesn't seem to follow.

Why is mastina not dying a "bad sign"? It's too early to determine what's a sign.

Who is town?