LOST (Game Over)

[Best Bird]

If you kill and flip a townread of mine and then ML me tomorrow I'm gonna be obnoxious about it. Kill me now or pick between BB/Hook. If i'm wrong you can even blame me post game.

Geez…can we even? Good golly that’s awesome.

[butterflies]

And the things you're referencing for why OTH can't be paired with certain players don't feel like airtight reasons to me. Like it's just baseline scum distancing tactics where the players involved aren't even pushing for the other to actually be voted out. Scum won Control by playing pretty much exactly like that (among other things).

I don’t understand. If Gamma’s scum, then would they not have exploited my friendship?

[butterflies]

VOTE: mislim bait
Johnny I can see being town, especially after his Noraa read which doesn’t exactly match mine in terms of logic but feels similarly motivated; MLB’s unrelenting push on us feels pre-planned. I see zero considerations from him on things.

~GE.

Who is his buddy then according to you?

[butterflies]

OTH isn't really playing or solving though, they're just arguing with you. I believe that Gamma wouldn't exploit your friendship, yes, but that doesn't mean he can't be scum who didn't think his actions were exploitative from his perspective.

Quoted wrong post. I will be livid if Gamma made that post to me as scum. I just don’t think he’d do that to me.

What I don’t understand is who he thinks MB is aligned with because he doesn’t seem to be sr anyone but him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

OTH isn't really playing or solving though, they're just arguing with you. I believe that Gamma wouldn't exploit your friendship, yes, but that doesn't mean he can't be scum who didn't think his actions were exploitative from his perspective.

But they obviously would have to be. I don’t see how they wouldn’t be if he’s scum here. Telling me I shouldn’t play mafia would be disgusting if he’s scum who invoked our friendship to do that.

[butterflies]

OTH isn't really playing or solving though, they're just arguing with you. I believe that Gamma wouldn't exploit your friendship, yes, but that doesn't mean he can't be scum who didn't think his actions were exploitative from his perspective.

But they obviously would have to be. I don’t see how they wouldn’t be if he’s scum here. Telling me I shouldn’t play mafia would be disgusting if he’s scum who invoked our friendship to do that.

[Roden]

From what I understand, Gamma seemed to be saying that it makes sense for him to be paranoid of you at this point of the game and that it isn't impossible for you to replicate your town game as scum. But he feels like he can't actually make that kind of case because you'll get hyper defensive, and he can't know for certain if your response is genuine or if you're playing 4D chess.

This is also part of the reason I scum read him though. His comment that upset you wasn't meant to be an attack on you from his perspective, but it also implies that he knows that you're town. If he genuinely thought that your defensiveness could be fake/an attempt to replicate your town game, the thought process would not be "you always do this and I can't deal with it right now" but instead "I need to determine if it's real or just crocodile tears". In fact, all he did was try to defuse the situation and then backed off entirely.

[Mislim Bait]

im fine with the current poe, ive been sus of johnny for awhile and i think itsnonly strengthened.

taly slot can die for all i care. nothing seems memorable when i think about that slot.

i know im town, if im the chosen elimination so be it.
what worries me is who was miscleared if its only one of the ppl in miselim baits poe..? is it butterflies or miselim bait..? i feel miselim bait would be the one but i wanna see what theyve been cleared for since i clearly missed that.

BlueBloodedToffee has died.

BlueBloodedToffee was

Spoiler:

town

MalcolmTucker's role was:

Spoiler:

Michael



You are mafia. Your mafia PT is located here: XXXXXX

(Adrift) If Walt is eliminated by the vote, you will gain the ability to kill any player that voted for Walt immediately after, before night occurs.
(Special) You are in a neighborhood with Walt. Your neighborhood is located here: XXXXX

You win with the mafia, when they achieve parity with the town or nothing can prevent this from happening.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to yeet. Day 8 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-09-09 12:00:00)

Can we assume Walt isn't town here since they should've claimed being in a hood with Malcolm?

Who tf is Walt? Are you even following the game? Luke was Malcolm’s neighbour, lmaooo

Guess Walt is Luke’s flavor
Can you verify this, Best Bird?

~GE

Two posts: first one pointing away from OtH/Noraa team: second one, pointing away from OtH/Malcolm.

OtH isn’t scum here MB.

The first one is pretty meh
scum can't just say 'I dont give a shit about xxx' and that immediately makes them not partnered
As far as I'm aware of I don't think oth have made any actions that could potentially endanger noraa slot
In fact there's this post made by oth on the same exact day

I feel like Best Bird is town, but I don’t have 100% confidence
Ftr I am kinda just at a loss for words here because we’ve been calling Johnny scum the whole fucking game, now it seems like we actually have a shot to vote him out and now you’re pansying out at the last second.

I wanna believe you’re town here but atm the only full-strength TR I have is Noraa, solely for the fact that I still don’t see Taly ever playing this game the way he did as scum.

~GE

I understand that they're hydra 2 different reads but marci isn't doing anything other than the idgaf on noraa read if you go on isos you can see marci hedging on taly slot before this and they've openly stated that they prefer a johnny lim right now

I don't get the 2nd one

[Mislim Bait]

VOTE: mislim bait
Johnny I can see being town, especially after his Noraa read which doesn’t exactly match mine in terms of logic but feels similarly motivated; MLB’s unrelenting push on us feels pre-planned. I see zero considerations from him on things.

~GE.

Hi I'm kinda out of it
current thinking is it's johnny+MLB most likely
~GE

I kind of want you to expand more on this.

Johnny is pretty easy to case so maybe just explain the mlb part

You gonna pass again?

[Mislim Bait]

it doesnt matter why he's scum, we have 3 eliminations assuming we dont hit two town in a row and just lose here. all we need to do is find 1 town within {oth, johnny, bb, noraa} and we win.

You say that him being scum doesn't matter but the only way we make sure we don't hit two towns in a row is to lim people who's more likely scum over someone who's only dangerous as scum.

I don't get the idea why bb is more dangerous anyway

so you think that we should leave deep scum over scum who we definitely catch? that doesn't really make sense

You're the one that said that him being scum doesn't matter?
forget the deep scum part you havent even given reasons why they're scum you just said that they're more likely to get away IF they're scum

[Mislim Bait]

I don't think there's any pairing that works here without BB in it.

Can you expand on this?
Not sure where you got the confidence on this solve

[Mislim Bait]

From what I understand, Gamma seemed to be saying that it makes sense for him to be paranoid of you at this point of the game and that it isn't impossible for you to replicate your town game as scum. But he feels like he can't actually make that kind of case because you'll get hyper defensive, and he can't know for certain if your response is genuine or if you're playing 4D chess.

This is also part of the reason I scum read him though. His comment that upset you wasn't meant to be an attack on you from his perspective, but it also implies that he knows that you're town. If he genuinely thought that your defensiveness could be fake/an attempt to replicate your town game, the thought process would not be "you always do this and I can't deal with it right now" but instead "I need to determine if it's real or just crocodile tears". In fact, all he did was try to defuse the situation and then backed off entirely.

Agree with roden here

I don't understand why you're making this personal. GE have clearly said that they dont mean to hurt you
I hope you stop saying things like exploiting friendship and gaslighting like you're putting them in a rough spot if they're scum
They could still be scum just not with the assumption that you think

[Save The Dragons]

Flavor

Vote Count 11.6

3 Off The Hook (JohnnyFarrar, Mislim Bait, Roden)

1 JohnnyFarrar (Best Bird)
1 Noraa (butterflies)
1 Mislim Bait (Off the Hook)

Not Voting (Noraa)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-09-23 19:50:44)

Mod Notes

Link to combined mod ISO

[butterflies]

it doesnt matter why he's scum, we have 3 eliminations assuming we dont hit two town in a row and just lose here. all we need to do is find 1 town within {oth, johnny, bb, noraa} and we win.

You say that him being scum doesn't matter but the only way we make sure we don't hit two towns in a row is to lim people who's more likely scum over someone who's only dangerous as scum.

I don't get the idea why bb is more dangerous anyway

so you think that we should leave deep scum over scum who we definitely catch? that doesn't really make sense

You're the one that said that him being scum doesn't matter?
forget the deep scum part you havent even given reasons why they're scum you just said that they're more likely to get away IF they're scum

I keep asking Noraa why BB is scum here and she has yet to give a single reason for it.

[butterflies]

it doesnt matter why he's scum, we have 3 eliminations assuming we dont hit two town in a row and just lose here. all we need to do is find 1 town within {oth, johnny, bb, noraa} and we win.

You say that him being scum doesn't matter but the only way we make sure we don't hit two towns in a row is to lim people who's more likely scum over someone who's only dangerous as scum.

I don't get the idea why bb is more dangerous anyway

so you think that we should leave deep scum over scum who we definitely catch? that doesn't really make sense

You're the one that said that him being scum doesn't matter?
forget the deep scum part you havent even given reasons why they're scum you just said that they're more likely to get away IF they're scum

I keep asking Noraa why BB is scum here and ZE has yet to give a single reason for it.

[butterflies]

From what I understand, Gamma seemed to be saying that it makes sense for him to be paranoid of you at this point of the game and that it isn't impossible for you to replicate your town game as scum. But he feels like he can't actually make that kind of case because you'll get hyper defensive, and he can't know for certain if your response is genuine or if you're playing 4D chess.

This is also part of the reason I scum read him though. His comment that upset you wasn't meant to be an attack on you from his perspective, but it also implies that he knows that you're town. If he genuinely thought that your defensiveness could be fake/an attempt to replicate your town game, the thought process would not be "you always do this and I can't deal with it right now" but instead "I need to determine if it's real or just crocodile tears". In fact, all he did was try to defuse the situation and then backed off entirely.

Agree with roden here

I don't understand why you're making this personal. GE have clearly said that they dont mean to hurt you
I hope you stop saying things like exploiting friendship and gaslighting like you're putting them in a rough spot if they're scum
They could still be scum just not with the assumption that you think

Because it IS personal for me if he’s scum and I would very much appreciate you not telling me how to feel about that if he’s scum here!

[butterflies]

If Gamma’s town, then I can believe he meant well and while I don’t think he ever actually intended to hurt me irrespective of alignment, fact is that he invoked our friendship to tell me I should consider finding a new “pastime”. If he’s town, I can see how that could possibly be meant in a non-exploitive way but if he’s scum doing that, it’s simply just gross to me: both what he said and invoking our friendship to do it. If you honestly can’t understand why I’d feel that way, then I really don’t care to hear your opinion about it.

[Mislim Bait]

Can scum not say something in a non-exploitive way?
Does their every move is made to pursue an agenda?
If anything it sounds more like scum frustration that they can't mislim you other than exploiting

[butterflies]

Gamma said to me as a FRIEND that I should consider getting a “new pastime”. I can believe that the intention wasn’t ever to DELIBERATELY hurt me irrespective of alignment but as town, I could see the possibility of why Gamma could possibly view that as “helpful”.

It absolutely WAS?’T - regardless of the different ways he chose to explain it - THAT I want to make crystal clear.

However, to say as a FRIEND, you should consider a new “pastime” as SCUM, I honestly don’t know how anyone could possibly view that as either not exploitive or gross if he’s scum here?

Because if he’s actually scum here, he’s in essence telling me - AS A FRIEND - I need to make myself more miselimable or I need to stop playing mafia.

That’s what FL did but the difference was that FL actually did know he was deliberately hurting me and didn’t care. He said as much in the tm scum pt.

Anyway, my entire arguments wrt to this is I just have real trouble believing scum!Gamma has so little respect for our friendship, that he would prioritize winning a scumgame over it.

[Off The Hook]

VOTE: mislim bait
Johnny I can see being town, especially after his Noraa read which doesn’t exactly match mine in terms of logic but feels similarly motivated; MLB’s unrelenting push on us feels pre-planned. I see zero considerations from him on things.

~GE.

Who is his buddy then according to you?

I’m thinking BB
They’ve both parked their votes on the same person for the entire day

~GE

[Off The Hook]

Gamma said to me as a FRIEND that I should consider getting a “new pastime”. I can believe that the intention wasn’t ever to DELIBERATELY hurt me irrespective of alignment but as town, I could see the possibility of why Gamma could possibly view that as “helpful”.

It absolutely WAS?’T - regardless of the different ways he chose to explain it - THAT I want to make crystal clear.

However, to say as a FRIEND, you should consider a new “pastime” as SCUM, I honestly don’t know how anyone could possibly view that as either not exploitive or gross if he’s scum here?

Because if he’s actually scum here, he’s in essence telling me - AS A FRIEND - I need to make myself more miselimable or I need to stop playing mafia.

That’s what FL did but the difference was that FL actually did know he was deliberately hurting me and didn’t care. He said as much in the tm scum pt.

Anyway, my entire arguments wrt to this is I just have real trouble believing scum!Gamma has so little respect for our friendship, that he would prioritize winning a scumgame over it.

That’s not what I meant to get across ftr
I was saying that bit about talking as a friend specifically in regards to my point about you getting upset at being FoSed. I was trying to communicate that I wasn’t trying to attack you personally, just trying to say your play was not good.
The part about finding a new pastime was a rhetorical “if my perception is correct (which I didn’t think it was) then I don’t get how this game is fun for you”.

A part of why this came up is honestly, I do see how people have issues with you. I think you get mistreated at times but there’s also points where I would understand if someone had issue with you. Role-A-Pair is probably the most glaring instance of it. You made it blatantly obvious who you were when you reacted to being pressured.

~GE

[Mislim Bait]

I'm saying that it's easy to get frustrated and say things you don't mean to especially if you're subjected in a tense atmosphere such as being scum.
Anyway if you really believe that scum!gamma would do that to gain an advantage and not something out of frustration then I have nothing else to say.

Your read on gamma is kind of personal which is what I meant earlier because no one else could really argue about how you feel gamma would approach about your friendships other than you.
You're certainly free to make this read and I understand your feelings on this but I don't think I'll ever understand this read.

[Mislim Bait]

VOTE: mislim bait
Johnny I can see being town, especially after his Noraa read which doesn’t exactly match mine in terms of logic but feels similarly motivated; MLB’s unrelenting push on us feels pre-planned. I see zero considerations from him on things.

~GE.

Who is his buddy then according to you?

I’m thinking BB
They’ve both parked their votes on the same person for the entire day

~GE

BB is voting johnny what

[Off The Hook]

That’s what I said
You’ve been parked on me and BB has been parked on Johnny
Should say “they’ve EACH been parked”

~GE

[Mislim Bait]

That’s what I said
You’ve been parked on me and BB has been parked on Johnny
Should say “they’ve EACH been parked”

~GE

thats not how association works what

If you want something to support your case you could always backread.
there's like 15000 posts 100 days and your only point is that both of our votes stayed on 1 person today.