Datisi's Café [game over!]

[Ausuka]

I don't think I'm tilted! I'm not really emotionally invested in this game. I was trying to be funny, sorry if that failed

[Datisi]

vote count 2.07

with 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-04 01:00:00).

firing

Roden [5]:

mastina, Andresvmb, Klick, Malakittens, Ydrasse

Titus [4]:

Roden, Lukewarm, Vivax, Ausuka

Malakittens [2]:

furtiveglance, Uncrowned

Something_Smart [2]:

PenguinPower, Titus

RCEnigma [1]:

fireisredsir

not voting [3]:

jjh927, RCEnigma, Something_Smart

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[Ausuka]

common datisi L

[Vivax]

Ausuka is so tilted atm.

Idk why this is so funny, maybe cause these are the first posts from her that look invested and you think that means tilting

[mastina]

I still think Roden not really talking about the Ircher wagon at all when it was (imo) the primary discussion point is strongly scummy.

So do I, especially given their role similarity.

It really feels like you're making this up. I understand why someone would be suspicious of me in a vacuum but this argument feels like you started at the premise "ausuka is scum" and then made up reasoning to reach that viewpoint.

You are correct; fire did this for you.
You know who else has done that?

Lukewarm with his Titus/mastina cases.
Both are scum!

I mean, I *agree* with the Lukewarm case. You can look back and see me saying the same things, I'm pretty sure - and peta also thought this! I don't think this really applies to luke here.

It applies.
I understand why someone would be suspicious of Titus in a vacuum. Or heck, even suspicious of me in a vacuum.
Those reads are not in of themselves bad.
But Lukewarm is explicitly making them up. He started with the premise of scum, then made up reasoning to reach that viewpoint. Reasoning which from an outside perspective looks like "oh this seems plausible enough" both as a narrative on the individual and as from coming from a viewpoint from town.

But the issue arises in that Lukewarm's narrative is only consistent from an outside viewpoint casually glancing in--it's not something internally consistent. Lukewarm's cases don't come from the perspective of trying to figure out the alignment of the player in question and demonstrating the conclusion he thinks they are scum. Lukewarm's cases demonstrate he thinks they are scum and then demonstrate the narrative used to justify this viewpoint.

The cases make efforts to ignore inconveniences that get in the way of the point being right. They manipulate things in a disingenuous way lacking honesty, by exaggerating points in favor of the viewpoint and downplaying the points in opposition to the viewpoint.

[furtiveglance]

I'll be back tomorrow. Drinking and concert tonight.

I feel like this mixtape has been dropping for a while, but I understand if busy.

[mastina]

because she decided at the start of the game that she was going to scumread Ircher?

Ausuka you're lucky that the me(facet) who is fronting right now is not

actually

mastina(the facet) because she is furious and wants to scream at you for this.

I'll keep it fairly polite and say:

DON'T

make this accusation.

I never decide reads in advance. (I need to hit submit on this post before mastina actually does start fronting because she has a lot to say about that shit.)

[mastina]

I hope I get town points for this.

As a matter of fact: yes, you do!

I feel like this meta has been brought up in the thread, so I'm surprised you find it scummy?

It's almost like Lukewarm made up a read, that he knew would make sense in a vacuum, so he started with the premise of me being scum and then made up the reasoning to reach that viewpoint.

[fireisredsir]

The cases make efforts to ignore inconveniences that get in the way of the point being right. They manipulate things in a disingenuous way lacking honesty, by exaggerating points in favor of the viewpoint and downplaying the points in opposition to the viewpoint.

this is like the first point of substance you've made that's actually kinda clicked with me. i can see what you're talking about

but what about that do you think is specific to luke being scum? you've talked about how it's a tell specific to luke, so that means you think luke doesn't do this as town?

ive felt that luke can be kinda performative in his casemaking before as town as well, they can feel overly constructed in a way, and can come across as manipulative. ive suspected him for it (wrongly) the first time i played with him, and i used it against him when i was scum and he was town. to me it just kinda seems like it's a luke thing

[fireisredsir]

I'm still thinking over what his play today indicates, I'm aware I did make a mistake at first in his role and that at least partially explains the push on me, but at the same time people said scum Roden is often Angry so like... idk

i think it's closer to the opposite?

ari in turing test said:

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What game were we both in where I was scum? Or is that just a general read?

in the coalition game you were significantly more townie when pressured. Coalition Micro

similarly in Fusion Upick

when you're scum you tend to kind of don't have that kind of edge/angry tone in your voice.

You don't have the same kind of edge when defending yourself and it feels like you're not quite really here and more importantly you don't feel like you want to be here.

SCP
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I understand from your last completed mini normal[2276] you were fustrated over being nightkilled on n1 and perhaps not wanting to be nightkilled would be a valid explanation for maybe not being as townie as you have been in the past but this game is not really that sort of game.

in this game, scum can't just shoot the towniest townies - it would be quite suicidal of them to do so because it would make the 1v1s quite lopsided, they have to actually shoot in the murky middle so to speak, as a result you should be trying to be as townie as possible but it doesn't feel like you're enthusiastic about this game at all.

and in that game they were scum together but i think she was being honest about the difference (i know at least one townperson agreed with it) bc she was encouraging him in the scum pt to play to what she was saying his town meta was, of having more passion

im sure he's capable of faking that but i think in general its true that he has more of that frustrated/impassioned vibe as town

[mastina]

firing

Roden [5]:

mastina, Andresvmb

,

Klick

, Malakittens,

Ydrasse

Titus [4]:

Roden, Lukewarm

,

Vivax

,

Ausuka

Hmm I wonder which of these wagons is scumdriven?

Just a thought.

[mastina]

firing

Roden [5]:

mastina, Andresvmb

,

Klick

, Malakittens,

Ydrasse

Titus [4]:

Roden, Lukewarm

,

Vivax

,

Ausuka

Hmm I wonder which of these wagons is scumdriven?

Just a thought.

OOPS WRONG YDRASSE COLOR, fix'd.

[mastina]

but what about that do you think is specific to luke being scum?

Because Luke is thorough and meticulous as town and absolutely methodical. His towngame is well-thought-out and doesn't make the ""mistakes"" in narrative he has made this game.

[Ausuka]

vote count 1.01

with 21 votes in play, it takes 11 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-09-29 01:45:00).

firing

Ausuka [5]:

Ircher, fireisredsir, Uncrowned, Ydrasse, BlueBloodedToffee

Ydrasse [4]:

Roden, Andresvmb, jjh927, RCEnigma

Ircher [3]:

mastina, petapan, Lukewarm

mastina [3]:

Nero Cain, Malakittens, Klick

Lukewarm [1]:

Vivax

Something_Smart [1]:

PenguinPower

not voting [4]:

Ausuka, furtiveglance, Titus, Something_Smart

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I like Ydrasse as town based on how things have progressed so far. Not really seeing the ausuka wagon. Not feeling mastina, even if I disagree on strategy.

VOTE: Ircher

i mean now we play the game

what's more likely

mr. ircher just guessed the ratio or he's a very informed doggo

Why suppose he's right?

Dude's not town but I hate slip arguments

Specifically I'd like titus to elaborate on why she thought Ircher is scum without buying into the TMI argument - she votes him without really pushing there and then says 'dude's not town'

Her progression around ircher and linking him with SS just feels sort of awkward, imo

because she decided at the start of the game that she was going to scumread Ircher?

Ausuka you're lucky that the me(facet) who is fronting right now is not

actually

mastina(the facet) because she is furious and wants to scream at you for this.

I'll keep it fairly polite and say:

DON'T

make this accusation.

I never decide reads in advance. (I need to hit submit on this post before mastina actually does start fronting because she has a lot to say about that shit.)

Yeah, that's very bad wording, sorry

I think most of what I said was somewhat accurate but that line implies something I did not want to imply

[fireisredsir]

firing

Roden [5]:

mastina, Andresvmb

,

Klick

, Malakittens,

Ydrasse

Titus [4]:

Roden, Lukewarm

,

Vivax

,

Ausuka

Hmm I wonder which of these wagons is scumdriven?

Just a thought.

im sure you'll be happy to hear that i was just debating whether i wanted to vote titus

[fireisredsir]

but what about that do you think is specific to luke being scum?

Because Luke is thorough and meticulous as town and absolutely methodical. His towngame is well-thought-out and doesn't make the ""mistakes"" in narrative he has made this game.

could you point out any specific examples of mistakes in narrative that he's made?

[mastina]

firing

Roden [5]:

mastina, Andresvmb

,

Klick

, Malakittens,

Ydrasse

Titus [4]:

Roden, Lukewarm

,

Vivax

,

Ausuka

Hmm I wonder which of these wagons is scumdriven?

Just a thought.

im sure you'll be happy to hear that i was just debating whether i wanted to vote titus

Yup, feel free to tho; I'd love to point back to the Titus wagon and how it is identical to the earlier wagon on her compositionally for how consistent the Titus wagon has been in being a scumdriven narrative.

[mastina]

but what about that do you think is specific to luke being scum?

Because Luke is thorough and meticulous as town and absolutely methodical. His towngame is well-thought-out and doesn't make the ""mistakes"" in narrative he has made this game.

could you point out any specific examples of mistakes in narrative that he's made?

I already have; it's in his Titus/mastina cases. I'm kinda clocking out of mafia for the moment right now so don't really feel like rehashing it again but I've made my points on why Titus is town here and don't feel like reiterating them again.

[Titus]

Ausuka is so tilted atm.

Idk why this is so funny, maybe cause these are the first posts from her that look invested and you think that means tilting

See TFT dead scum....scum fail push

Repeat

Lol don't need to read.

Some town but most scum.

[Titus]

VOTE: Roden

Check in tmo when sober xD

[Vivax]

because she decided at the start of the game that she was going to scumread Ircher?

Ausuka you're lucky that the me(facet) who is fronting right now is not

actually

mastina(the facet) because she is furious and wants to scream at you for this.

I'll keep it fairly polite and say:

DON'T

make this accusation.

I never decide reads in advance. (I need to hit submit on this post before mastina actually does start fronting because she has a lot to say about that shit.)

The mighty facet is here fronting?
Ok I think Titus goes to town with that implied Ausuka SR.

How tf do you get hammered so quickly?

[Vivax]

firing

Roden [5]:

mastina, Andresvmb

,

Klick

, Malakittens,

Ydrasse

Titus [4]:

Roden, Lukewarm

,

Vivax

,

Ausuka

Hmm I wonder which of these wagons is scumdriven?

Just a thought.

UNVOTE:

Mission accomplished then?

[Vivax]

I think those colors are accurate, mastina.
Don‘t have the sass to shoot into luke or ydrasse though

[mastina]

firing

Roden [5]:

mastina, Andresvmb

,

Klick

, Malakittens,

Ydrasse

Titus [4]:

Roden, Lukewarm

,

Vivax

,

Ausuka

Hmm I wonder which of these wagons is scumdriven?

Just a thought.

OOPS WRONG YDRASSE COLOR, fix'd.

[Vivax]

firing

Roden [5]:

mastina, Andresvmb

,

Klick

, Malakittens,

Ydrasse

Titus [4]:

Roden, Lukewarm

,

Vivax

,

Ausuka

Hmm I wonder which of these wagons is scumdriven?

Just a thought.

OOPS WRONG YDRASSE COLOR, fix'd.

Can we at least pretend to SR her