Datisi's Café [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 2.08

with 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-04 01:00:00).

firing

Roden [7]:

mastina, Andresvmb, Klick, Malakittens, Ydrasse, Titus, Vivax

Titus [3]:

Roden, Lukewarm, Ausuka

Malakittens [2]:

furtiveglance, Uncrowned

Something_Smart [1]:

PenguinPower

RCEnigma [1]:

fireisredsir

not voting [3]:

jjh927, RCEnigma, Something_Smart

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[Klick]

Who's voting Mastina?

Who said anyone was currently voting mastina?

[Klick]

Titus isn't scum

[Klick]

I'm not really sold on Luke atm and definitely not seeing fire-scum

Roden is doing exactly what scum would be doing now though

[Uncrowned]

VOTE: Roden

cheeky L-1

[Vivax]

Oh you might be an Empath, then. No, seriously. I am an empath and I have that exact same thing happen. I take on the emotions/feelings of those around me and have them as their own.
When people are sad, I get sad; when people radiate happiness, I become as happy as they are. I genuinely feel the emotions of others as my own emotions. Events that I have no emotional attachment to I get as emotional as the person who has the attachment to that event, feeling their feelings.

It works in person, but it also works online. I can pick up on the anger of someone and begin to feel angry myself. (This, ahhh...is not a good thing if someone is angry at me and I become angry at them.) I can pick up on a lot of emotions. It's not a 100% thing. It only works about 50-90% of the time. Where I have the connection established to be able to feel it.

So you're not wrong. It exists. It's real. It's a thing.

I

knew

there was a reason I instavibed with you in TFT.
(Empaths tend to have an easier time vibing with other empaths since they just collectively "get" experiences of each other.)

It's a trait that backfires easily. Is why I mostly prefer to be on my own with nothing but my thoughts. And often look like I'm daydreaming around others.
I also have this theory or superstition that if you throw a bunch together to resonate a thought, 'weird stuff' can happen. But maybe that's a discussion for another time.

[Titus]

Sorry my emotions were awkward last night.

[Datisi]

Dannflor replaces RCEnigma.

[Titus]

The Demi concert was the time of my life. Go if you can!

[Andresvmb]

I’m not feeling any urgency to move my vote away from Roden at the moment.

[Vivax]

UNVOTE:

Funny posts should never feel awkward. It's easy to look townie when you're unafraid.
Unvoting cause I wouldn't mind Dann's take before we hammer.

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

Funny posts should never feel awkward. It's easy to look townie when you're unafraid.
Unvoting cause I wouldn't mind Dann's take before we hammer.

No. It was the emotions. Horny drunk when y'all are sober would feel awkward I'd imagine.

I am not afraid of much in mafia. The only thing I get afraid of is screwing up the plans of others.

[jjh927]

I think Mastina, Lukewarm, Titus, and Roden are all town

[jjh927]

We have the weekend ahead of us and Dannflor just replaced in

This is a great time to try and get everyone on the same page rather than just defaulting to a Roden lim

[Lukewarm]

Y'know Lukewarm for someone accusing others of not reevaluating Roden off of new info...

...You sure seem to not be reevaluating Titus off of new info!

Gee, I wonder why there's this inconsistency between your stance/approach on Roden, and your stance/approach on Titus.

What new info am I ignoring?

[Dannflor]

I'm busy for a couple hours yet at work but I'll try to catch up over the afternoon

[Lukewarm]

Oh were you planning on faking vig and Vivak true claimed first

For the record: anyone with any semblance of doubt that Titus is town need look no further than drunk-Titus's post here.

The tinfoil theory that Lukewarm is scum who planned to fakeclaim vig before Vivax realclaimed it is one that I don't think Titus could come up with if she were scum--and even if she

could

, certainly not while

drunk

could she explain/out this theory so fluently.

Ah, reading backwards

I don't find her coming up with a reason to push me town indicative, and also your bar for "so fluently" is broken lol

[Something_Smart]

Lukewarm has eroded my Titus townread somewhat. I might vote her, even though I think Roden is more likely scum, because having one dominant wagon and nothing that challenges it is usually pretty bad for the gamestate.

[Ydrasse]

titus valiantly trying to defy the drunkposting = town theory

[Lukewarm]

Because in this game, I wouldn't have. It's that simple, really. I didn't say I couldn't, or that in general I wouldn't. I said that in this game I wouldn't.

I meant exactly what I said. I might bus to set Ircher up in general. But in this game I wouldn't. In this game Ircher would explicitly be worth less than me. And I don't bus scum who are worth less than me; I only bus scum who are worth more than me. So in this game specifically, I wouldn't have bussed Ircher. I would have strong reason to not have done so. (Specifically, because of knowing about CONTROL. A big, big thing about my scumgames is that I avoid doing the same ploy twice. I bussed Ircher in CONTROL, which means that I couldn't bus Ircher in this game because everyone would know about how I did so in CONTROL. Bussing the same player the same way in two scumgames would mean that if the game has literally any of the same players or literally any player who looked at the previous game, they'd make the connection. It's surface-level stupidity to think I'd do the exact same move twice for the same scumbuddy.)

This does not answer the actual question.

I can tell you that this game I most certainly wouldn't have valued Ircher's life above my own and therefore had no reason to bus him.

This is the statement that you made about this game.

I am questioning why you "most certainly wouldn't have valued Ircher's life about your own" in this game, as you wrote out posts about him leading up to 109.

[Lukewarm]

she ALREADY would have known that the value of her life vs the value of Irchers life was well outside the standard.

This is a scumslip from Lukewarm revealing he knows I'm town.

Because, uh: if I were scum with Ircher then I'd know the value of my life versus his from the moment I got my role PM--well before the first game posts of the game. I'd know which players were town (which gives me an idea of what the playerlist will think of me), and I'd know what our roles were.

The only way I wouldn't know the value is if I was town.

What?

I am literally arguing that that is a perspective slip from you.

If you were town, making the hypothetical, you should be at your default. And your default is that you are the weak link on your team.

The fact that you, in your hypothetical, so confidently said that you would actually have valued your own life over Irchers, feels like you are adding some mental math into that hypothetical (such as knowledge of your scum PM) that your town self would not have access to to factor in OR you are just trying to make up a reason to self clear yourself.

[Lukewarm]

Check Lukewarm's read progression on Roden and fireisredsir.

You are welcome to do so.

My read on Roden went from Null, to town when he told Vivax to shoot him over me. Because I know that Vivax immediately shot that idea down, but I felt like the kind of line that he would be scared to make as scum. It then strengthened when he got frustrated with Ausuka. After she was pushing him on an angle that she had misunderstood, the argument that she was just making stuff up to scum read him made more sense to me if he was town then if he was scum actually making up his claim. The level of defiance there.

I then got really frustrated with his refusal to engage with jjh or myself, and that frustration translated into me being unsure of my town read any more and willing to let his wagon go through, but then, once I got past being in that moment, I went back to thinking that he was town.

Fire, I generally leaned town on him day 1 for vibes, but had not done an iso on him, so it was a more amorphous read. And that recently strengthened because of the timing oh him defending me to Vivax not making sense for how I would think that scum would be interacting with Vivax wrt to me.

[Lukewarm]

That line feels like "luke has town reads, who also town read him. Must all be scum" Which is kinda silly.

[Lukewarm]

Which also ignores the fact that I spotted exactly what jjh was asking for, and then joined in asking Roden to answer. But in the world you are building, did not go into the scum chat and tell roden that he should at a +5% for every use whenever he full claimed the percentage.

Speaking of, I think that in the world that Roden is scum, jjh and mastina are more likely town for a similar reason. So, a roden scum flip would likely do a lot of heavy lifting on changing my mastina read-- but I also just think that Roden is town, so :shrug:

[Lukewarm]

idle thought if roden flips town there’s mafia in the people who doubled down on him after he was being stubborn as an acceptable reason to kill him

titus valiantly trying to defy the drunkposting = town theory

Hey Ydra, is there a reason you are still on the Roden wagon?