Because Ircher's role is worth less than a goon. It's literally a liability.In post 1894, Lukewarm wrote:I am questioning why you "most certainly wouldn't have valued Ircher's life about your own" in this game
That, plus this game has a grand total of four players I'd expect to be problematic in scumreading me, and literally none of them are charismatic. Malakittens isn't, jjh isn't, Nero isn't, and Titus isn't. Nobody in this game is familiar enough with my scum, with the ability to argue that I am scum. There's charismatic players present like petapan and when he really gets going Klick, but while most of the players have
played
with me, the only ones likely to scumread
me are the four who have no charisma.Thus as scum I most certainly wouldn't have valued Ircher's life above my own because both from a role perspective and a play perspective I'd have no reason to want to prop him up. Add in that I never make the same play twice as scum (easily verifiable btw as I have a long-standing meta where I can document this lack of repetition* and deliberate avoidance of it--in fact this is such a strong thing that I might need to be careful about avoiding running afoul of a listmod banning me for a trust tell of it because it has held true across hundreds of scumgames), and the fact that my push on Ircher looks identical to Control hard-clears me.
*(You can probably find me talking about it by searching for whenever I mention the TVTropes term, It Only Works Once--once a trick is known, it can never be used exactly the same way again. You can make
broad strokes
that are similar
. The strategy of letting myself go down to prop my scumbuddies up worked for years
fairly reliably. But it was still implemented
differently each time. There were overarching broad strokes of it being the same basic idea, but the execution was different each time.Basically, people tend to naively think that the idea of "don't fix what's not broken" where I don't adapt my scumplay when the strategy is shown to have worked, is mutually exclusive with It Only Works Once, but in fact, no, they are not mutually exclusive. They augment each other. You can't use the exact same trick twice, but you can use two different tricks that have similar outcomes/premises/etc. For instance, if you were to use a phaser to shoot to kill, then a borg might adapt to it. But if you use a disintegrator, the borg won't have adapted to it. Both are energy guns that kill their target--the "don't fix what's not broken" half where they are both aiming to do the same thing. But the method they use to achieve the thing is still different.
In a game sense, I can bus a scumbuddy from page one, but bussing the
same
scumbuddy in the exact same way
won't work twice. Ever. So I wouldn't do it. Once the exact method I used to bus a specific scumbuddy has been seen, it can't be used again. So my interaction with Ircher being identical in this game to Control when Ircher was scum hard-clears me because as scum I never would use the identical strategy thanks to it being known.)You and I have read two very different games if you think Roden has been the only dominant wagon today, mate.In post 1892, Something_Smart wrote:Lukewarm has eroded my Titus townread somewhat. I might vote her, even though I think Roden is more likely scum, because having one dominant wagon and nothing that challenges it is usually pretty bad for the gamestate.
