Datisi's Café [game over!]

[Lukewarm]

Vivax
furtiveglance
Dannflor

fireisredsir
Ausuka
Roden
Andresvmb

Ydrasse

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Uncrowned
jjh927
PenguinPower
Malakittens
Klick
Something_Smart

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mastina

Titus

I was almost tempted to move Mastina above the line, because I have had some second thoughts about her. Still I'm also still leaning scum, but less *sure*, so landed on just putting a gap between her and Titus.

I also don't have 3 scum leans/reads anymore, which means I will actually have to tackle the blob of unsorted in the middle at some point.

[Lukewarm]

The thread is just trucking along because you won't listen Lukewarm. You aren't addressing anyone else's concerns. You seem to think by yelling an opinion several town think is wrong is helpful.

If you're town, you give scum a place to stall out the game. They don't have to contribute or don't want to because Roden's scum. My wagon is sketch enough as it is. You'd see that if you weren't overjoyed to have just anyone with you.

If you're scum, you're clawing to protect Roden anyway so *shrug*.

Titus this is literally me and my town reads lmao

Titus [4]: Roden, Lukewarm, Ausuka, Dannflor

[Titus]

The thread is just trucking along because you won't listen Lukewarm. You aren't addressing anyone else's concerns. You seem to think by yelling an opinion several town think is wrong is helpful.

If you're town, you give scum a place to stall out the game. They don't have to contribute or don't want to because Roden's scum. My wagon is sketch enough as it is. You'd see that if you weren't overjoyed to have just anyone with you.

If you're scum, you're clawing to protect Roden anyway so *shrug*.

Titus this is literally me and my town reads lmao

Titus [4]: Roden, Lukewarm, Ausuka, Dannflor

Yes, because your townreads are whomever agrees with you. Your reads are circular.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: roden

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[Lukewarm]

Even looking back at who has voted you before during this day

Titus [3]: Roden, fireisredsir, Lukewarm

Titus [4]: Roden, Lukewarm, Vivax, Ausuka

Me, Dann, Roden, Ausuka, Fire, and Vivax. All in my town pile.

Even looking back to Day 1 VCs

Titus [3]: petapan, Malakittens, fireisredsir

It just adds Peta and Mala.

So, my town reads, a flipped townie, and Mala

[Lukewarm]

Yes, because your townreads are whomever agrees with you. Your reads are circular.

Them scum reading you has not been a factor in my reads what so ever.

You just made that up to discredit

[Vivax]

So, about that thing yesterday...
Did you know that you can save up on a lot of electricity by not playing mafia? And your chances of survival increase dramatically on a bean diet

[Ausuka]

It seems likely that the scum team, seeing Vivax making it very clear that he intends to shoot me, is just gonna sit by and let that happen. It keeps Vivax's vig shot from being a danger to them.

So, I think that makes Fire and Andres very likely to be town for their recent posts made directly to vivax, about me.

This logic confuses me a bit - usually I see different scum members take different positions in the thread, and defend town pretty often, even if it isn't directly in their interest to do so. So like I do not see why you think defending you from a vig shot makes these people town and it feels maybe pockety?

[Lukewarm]

Yes, because your townreads are whomever agrees with you. Your reads are circular.

Like, this is *maybe* something you could say about my Dann read. Reading his posts felt like I was largely reading my own thoughts, but also not on everything so it did not look like he was actually doing that, so I think he is town on the mindmeld kinda level .

But Vivax is mechanically town.

Ausuka I thought was town while she was actively in the middle of pushing Roden

For what its worth Roden, I feel like the way that Ausuka has been questioning you looks townie, even if she is wrong.

Roden I have town cased a fair bit, and not once did your name come up.

Fire has been based on Vibes and Tone in comparison to the scum game I played against him, where I felt like he was... getting under my skin not the right expression, but something like that. His posts felt manipulative, and like he was trying to rile me up in that game.

[Titus]

But Vivax is mechanically town.

If Vivax is mechanically town, why did you push for so long

after the claim

?

[Lukewarm]

It seems likely that the scum team, seeing Vivax making it very clear that he intends to shoot me, is just gonna sit by and let that happen. It keeps Vivax's vig shot from being a danger to them.

So, I think that makes Fire and Andres very likely to be town for their recent posts made directly to vivax, about me.

This logic confuses me a bit - usually I see different scum members take different positions in the thread, and defend town pretty often, even if it isn't directly in their interest to do so. So like I do not see why you think defending you from a vig shot makes these people town and it feels maybe pockety?

I would agree wrt to day play and votes. Scum team has a fairly large imput in wagons.

But less so with a Vig.

I would not be surprised to find scum in the people who have called me town. But it was calling me town, directly at the vig, with reasons. Appearing to actively be trying to sway the Vig off of shooting a townie, and then he becomes a potential thread to the scum team again

[Lukewarm]

But Vivax is mechanically town.

If Vivax is mechanically town, why did you push for so long

after the claim

?

Because I did not realize that the mechanics made him town until jjh pointed it out to me?

[Vivax]

I rescind my vig claim

[Ausuka]

i am one bad game away from policy votelocking anyone who fakeclaims

[Lukewarm]

But Vivax is mechanically town.

If Vivax is mechanically town, why did you push for so long

after the claim

?

Because I did not realize that the mechanics made him town until jjh pointed it out to me?

Like I was REALLY sure that he was scum over night. Like way more sure then I am with you or Mastina.

He then got a bunch of votes, and then claimed Vig. In the moment, it looked like a panic claim. And when I broadly thought about the mechanics, it seemed like this is the perfect set up to fake a vig claim.

To actually get to him being mechanically town, you have to stop and think about the more specific details of the numbers. And not just the % points needed to direct the kills, but also the % points needed by the flipped townies. And while I saw those numbers when I looked at the flips, I did not do any of the mental math on what that would mean for the over all % points.

[Vivax]

i am one bad game away from policy votelocking anyone who fakeclaims

Mark Ausuka locktown for this game

[Titus]

i am one bad game away from policy votelocking anyone who fakeclaims

Mark Ausuka locktown for this game

Prob town yeah. I can't lock it though.

[Titus]

But Vivax is mechanically town.

If Vivax is mechanically town, why did you push for so long

after the claim

?

Because I did not realize that the mechanics made him town until jjh pointed it out to me?

Like I was REALLY sure that he was scum over night. Like way more sure then I am with you or Mastina.

He then got a bunch of votes, and then claimed Vig. In the moment, it looked like a panic claim. And when I broadly thought about the mechanics, it seemed like this is the perfect set up to fake a vig claim.

To actually get to him being mechanically town, you have to stop and think about the more specific details of the numbers. And not just the % points needed to direct the kills, but also the % points needed by the flipped townies. And while I saw those numbers when I looked at the flips, I did not do any of the mental math on what that would mean for the over all % points.

Or you just realized you'd never get a claimed vig flipped with a shot on BBT claimed.

A vig claim isn't mech town. It just likely is.

[Vivax]

VOTE: Titus

Well, I really want to be right on that Roden tone-/motivation-read, and S_S doesn't seem to be happening, he popped in briefly on the last page or so.
Although I'd vastly prefer to kill anyone who posted less

[Lukewarm]

I have lots of thoughts.

Vivax likely town, even if he rescinds. But also, would not be surprised if the rescinding is fake.

I do want to know, because that changes the mental math on Mastina's claim as well. Thinking Vivax was running close to 0% productivity gave room for hers to be fake. Him not doing that would actually make mastina more likely to be town then before.

[Lukewarm]

Or you just realized you'd never get a claimed vig flipped with a shot on BBT claimed.

A vig claim isn't mech town. It just likely is.

It wasn't the claim that I thought was clearing him. See me still thinking he was scum post claim.

It was the MATH needed for scum to get to 3 kills, in reference to 2 of the 3 flipped PRs only needing 30% to fire.

[Vivax]

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Check Roden's read progression on Lukewarm and fireisredsir.

Especially on D2.

Read progression on Luke: I said he's town

Read progression on Fire:

I mean, he's probably got a point here, or nay ?
I'd endorse it if players gave Luke more thread pull. Specifically players who are open to mastina scum.
But of course, the Roden flip is tempting, information-wise

[Andresvmb]

@Dannflor I think you are mistaken in how you’re remembering my play around Ircher but otherwise I think you’re Town. You’re saying I was bussing Ircher basically but I never voted the slot and if anything I wrote a post discrediting then slip. I admitted to being wrong about all that at the beginning of today. I get that it’s difficult to read a game that’s long in one day and remember everything accurately, so just wanted to clarify that.

I’m having a hard time voting Titus only because we have strongly clashed in the past and I have been convinced they’re Scum when they’re not (in a situation when our worldviews disagreed wildly). I may not have responded to one of their questions about why mastina still being alive is a bad sign - I think it’s because two important considerations for Scum where present that should have merited an NK. I don’t want to get too much into it but mastina’s early vote for flipped Scum + obvious hinting of PR should have merited a shot. Like petapan’s reputation and Nero Cain’s obvious Towniness I’m not sure made them better targets in my head. So I was trying to get to mastina’s alignment in part by sheeping them. I’m not sure that’s going to work anymore and I’m going to have to make a choice. For what it’s worth, I didn’t see Roden’s defensiveness as Towny in the same way as Vivax, so I wasn’t really giving Roden much benefit of the doubt then.

[Andresvmb]

I rescind my vig claim

Wait, are you for real?

[Lukewarm]

I'd endorse it if players gave Luke more thread pull

I am so confused