Good question.In post 2048, Andresvmb wrote:Wait, are you for real?In post 2037, Vivax wrote:I rescind my vig claim
I should clarify - I’m responding with what I was thinking at the beginning of the day for mastina. My mechanical analysis still stands, so I’m not going to all of a sudden vote mastina here. But I don’t think just sheeping mastina is enough to get Roden executed. Instead, I’m going to have to make a deep dive and actually decide for myself whether the vote makes sense. And if it does, I won’t move.In post 2047, Andresvmb wrote:@Dannflor I think you are mistaken in how you’re remembering my play around Ircher but otherwise I think you’re Town. You’re saying I was bussing Ircher basically but I never voted the slot and if anything I wrote a post discrediting then slip. I admitted to being wrong about all that at the beginning of today. I get that it’s difficult to read a game that’s long in one day and remember everything accurately, so just wanted to clarify that.
I’m having a hard time voting Titus only because we have strongly clashed in the past and I have been convinced they’re Scum when they’re not (in a situation when our worldviews disagreed wildly). I may not have responded to one of their questions about why mastina still being alive is a bad sign - I think it’s because two important considerations for Scum where present that should have merited an NK. I don’t want to get too much into it but mastina’s early vote for flipped Scum + obvious hinting of PR should have merited a shot. Like petapan’s reputation and Nero Cain’s obvious Towniness I’m not sure made them better targets in my head. So I was trying to get to mastina’s alignment in part by sheeping them. I’m not sure that’s going to work anymore and I’m going to have to make a choice. For what it’s worth, I didn’t see Roden’s defensiveness as Towny in the same way as Vivax, so I wasn’t really giving Roden much benefit of the doubt then.
JJH is possible but I don't really scum read him, I'm just waiting for him to be more town. I'll admit I could be wrong on Titus.In post 2010, mastina wrote:Name names and I can humor you but I'm not going to respond to Titus/Vivax/Something_Smart as options.In post 1999, Dannflor wrote:Mastina I have this sinking gut feeling that you are town and that scum is currently playing around you specifically and pocketing youPeriod.
Nor jjh, nor PenguinPower.
Name a name you think is scum playing around me/pocketing me outside of those and I will listen.
But not jjh/Vivax/Something_Smart/PenguinPower or Titus.
This feels like you are saying that you currently have not done this, and don't know if you want the roden elim.In post 2052, Andresvmb wrote:Instead, I’m going to have to make a deep dive and actually decide for myself whether the vote makes sense. And if it does, I won’t move
I’ve tried to read every single post this game so I have a decent sense for how I see the game. It’s just that deep dives take a lot out of me and at the beginning, you still feel like you’re looking for a needle in a haystack. So I prefer to wait until the player list has dwindled down a bit before having to do this.In post 2055, Lukewarm wrote:This feels like you are saying that you currently have not done this, and don't know if you want the roden elim.In post 2052, Andresvmb wrote:Instead, I’m going to have to make a deep dive and actually decide for myself whether the vote makes sense. And if it does, I won’t move
Yet your vote is on him while he is at E-1.
Seems like you're running short on time to make that evaluation
Hmm, I mean, it's possible that I'm onto literally nothing here. I think it'd help if you tell me how you think scum in general tend to think about the game and their partners in particular? It doesn't have to be too long.In post 2035, Lukewarm wrote:I would agree wrt to day play and votes. Scum team has a fairly large imput in wagons.In post 2032, Ausuka wrote:This logic confuses me a bit - usually I see different scum members take different positions in the thread, and defend town pretty often, even if it isn't directly in their interest to do so. So like I do not see why you think defending you from a vig shot makes these people town and it feels maybe pockety?In post 1786, Lukewarm wrote:It seems likely that the scum team, seeing Vivax making it very clear that he intends to shoot me, is just gonna sit by and let that happen. It keeps Vivax's vig shot from being a danger to them.
So, I think that makes Fire and Andres very likely to be town for their recent posts made directly to vivax, about me.
But less so with a Vig.
I would not be surprised to find scum in the people who have called me town. But it was calling me town, directly at the vig, with reasons. Appearing to actively be trying to sway the Vig off of shooting a townie, and then he becomes a potential thread to the scum team again
I'd love to but you guys just aren't that interesting unfortunately!In post 2057, Dannflor wrote:ausuka why didn't you comment more on the last few pages
Big moodIn post 2059, Ausuka wrote:I'd love to but you guys just aren't that interesting unfortunately!
not much really!In post 2053, Dannflor wrote:Uncrowned has his own deal with Roden going on but I don't really understand what else he wants today.
You think that as Scum I would try and replicate someone else’s reaction for Town cred? No, I was actually furious for a short 5 seconds until I realized you’re probably just lying. I also don’t think there’s enough power at the beginning of the game if everyone used it to the max to lower the average sufficiently to allow for 3 NKs. I think it’s a rather clever way of ensuring the Scum don’t ever find themselves in a situation where they’re faced with a lot of Town power and cannot escape their fate so to speak further down to line.In post 2050, Vivax wrote:Good question.In post 2048, Andresvmb wrote:Wait, are you for real?In post 2037, Vivax wrote:I rescind my vig claim
I'm a neurobiological correlate of a parallel dimension of sensations and experiences, you?
(But really, scum knows it's nonsense and I am vig, I only give the cred to Ausuka though, so this looks like you're trying to replicate it lol)
what will this flip say?In post 2062, Uncrowned wrote:not much really!In post 2053, Dannflor wrote:Uncrowned has his own deal with Roden going on but I don't really understand what else he wants today.
i think this flip will say a lot
Roden was Flirt, with useless ability, either town or mafiaIn post 2065, Dannflor wrote:what will this flip say?In post 2062, Uncrowned wrote:not much really!In post 2053, Dannflor wrote:Uncrowned has his own deal with Roden going on but I don't really understand what else he wants today.
i think this flip will say a lot
green flip would have me looking in {Mastina, Andre, Kilck, Mala, Ydrasse} with preference being: Mala, Andre, Mastina, Ydrasse, KlickIn post 2051, Datisi wrote:Roden [8]: mastina, Andresvmb, Klick, Malakittens, Ydrasse, Titus, Uncrowned, PenguinPower
Titus [5]: Roden, Lukewarm, Ausuka, Dannflor, Vivax
Malakittens [1]: furtiveglance
Dannflor [1]: fireisredsir
not voting [2]: jjh927, Something_Smart
What you're describing is a pretty normal gamestate for 17 players each with their own thoughts, I don't think that several people being pushed means that the largest wagon is scum. I think the D1 wagon being so unanimous (eventually) also shows that sometimes mafia is quite easily voted outIn post 2067, Andresvmb wrote:Also, just from a game state perspective, the reason I haven’t been all that keen of moving away from Roden, is that I would naturally expect there to be a lot of resistance to the execution of a player if the Town were roughly moving in the right direction. And you can’t tell me that more than a few alternatives have not been offered to stop Roden from getting executed (Titus, Something_Smart, mastina, to name a few). This is purely circumstantial obviously, and it can be interpreted various different ways (a lot of Scum together pushing the wagon of a Town player stubbornly wouldn’t look that much different to this, except I don’t SR Klick, I think Ydrasse is Town, and I doubt Malakittens is insisting on me being Town just to pocket me).
Lying on a game of forum mafia. Who would ever do that?In post 2064, Andresvmb wrote:You think that as Scum I would try and replicate someone else’s reaction for Town cred? No, I was actually furious for a short 5 seconds until I realized you’re probably just lying. I also don’t think there’s enough power at the beginning of the game if everyone used it to the max to lower the average sufficiently to allow for 3 NKs. I think it’s a rather clever way of ensuring the Scum don’t ever find themselves in a situation where they’re faced with a lot of Town power and cannot escape their fate so to speak further down to line.In post 2050, Vivax wrote:Good question.In post 2048, Andresvmb wrote:Wait, are you for real?In post 2037, Vivax wrote:I rescind my vig claim
I'm a neurobiological correlate of a parallel dimension of sensations and experiences, you?
(But really, scum knows it's nonsense and I am vig, I only give the cred to Ausuka though, so this looks like you're trying to replicate it lol)
You haven't put thought into this takeIn post 2053, Dannflor wrote:Like Klick just seems to be in lockstep with you without any real unique pushes or thoughts of his own.