Datisi's Café [game over!]

[Lukewarm]

Have not looked at any numbers to see if it would make sense for them to get a bonus kill if he was running at 50%

Or conversely if it make sense for them to only get 1 kill if he was running at 0%

[Dannflor]

Klick is such a bad push I don’t trust Dannflor very much right now. Their vote D1 in 269 is being forgotten all of a sudden, just as momentum was turning against Vivax?

Vivax had like 2 votes on them vs Ircher's like 7

I think it's perfectly sensible as a bus vote

I don't real as strong about this as say Titus and I'm willing to hear that I may be wrong

do you have other reasons for town reading them so strongly?

[fireisredsir]

I would imagine Ausuka is a vig shot

I think she was viably in the miselimination pool and unless scum saw something they thought was a crumb or something I doubt they take that shot

i mean i thought she was scum for what i thought was heavily softing a PR and then later walking it back so it's def possible scum saw the same thing i did

i did figure out eventually that i was misinterpreting but it did really look that way at first to me

[Dannflor]

feel as strong*

jesus my fingers are word salady right now

[Something_Smart]

My original reading was that his second shot was more then 100%, but on the flip that was wrong.

Yeah that's what I thought as well.

[fireisredsir]

anyway i think mastina is probably scum but we can go for titus first ig

im slightly concerned about giving scum!mastina what she wants in terms of living to d4 but at this point maybe it's worth it for the chance that she's town

[Andresvmb]

Klick is such a bad push I don’t trust Dannflor very much right now. Their vote D1 in 269 is being forgotten all of a sudden, just as momentum was turning against Vivax?

Vivax had like 2 votes on them vs Ircher's like 7

I think it's perfectly sensible as a bus vote

I don't real as strong about this as say Titus and I'm willing to hear that I may be wrong

do you have other reasons for town reading them so strongly?

I don’t TR Klick “so strongly”, but a balanced accounting of Klick’s play D1 would have surely incorporated that vote. Instead, you’re focused on how performative the explanation for their reads was D1, and nothing else, which seems one-sided to me. And honestly, I intend to spend most of my time trying to figure out whether Titus makes sense as an execution here, because odds are that they’ll face immense pressure (way too many votes have piled on there both yesterday and today, and there’s been a lot of discussion about the slot). Klick just… isn’t going to get executed over several other suspicious slots today. So your push seems way out of place to me.

[fireisredsir]

And honestly, I intend to spend most of my time trying to figure out whether Titus makes sense as an execution here, because odds are that they’ll face immense pressure (way too many votes have piled on there both yesterday and today, and there’s been a lot of discussion about the slot). Klick just… isn’t going to get executed over several other suspicious slots today. So your push seems way out of place to me.

do you think it's a bad idea to look in multiple places? i don't get this

[Andresvmb]

And honestly, I intend to spend most of my time trying to figure out whether Titus makes sense as an execution here, because odds are that they’ll face immense pressure (way too many votes have piled on there both yesterday and today, and there’s been a lot of discussion about the slot). Klick just… isn’t going to get executed over several other suspicious slots today. So your push seems way out of place to me.

do you think it's a bad idea to look in multiple places? i don't get this

No I don’t think it’s generally a bad idea. But I do think the view Dannflor is expressing is not balanced, which hints at an agenda to me.

[Ydrasse]

titus waiting room

[Lukewarm]

I intend to spend most of my time trying to figure out whether Titus makes sense as an execution here, because odds are that they’ll face immense pressure (way too many votes have piled on there both yesterday and today, and there’s been a lot of discussion about the slot).

Is "way too many votes have piled there yesterday" really a concern you have?

Out of 17 living players, 6 players voted there at any point yesterday

Half of those have flipped town

Players who voted for Titus:
Fireisredsir
Lukewarm

Ausuka

Dannflor

Roden

Player who voted for Both:

Vivax

[Andresvmb]

I intend to spend most of my time trying to figure out whether Titus makes sense as an execution here, because odds are that they’ll face immense pressure (way too many votes have piled on there both yesterday and today, and there’s been a lot of discussion about the slot).

Is "way too many votes have piled there yesterday" really a concern you have?

Out of 17 living players, 6 players voted there at any point yesterday

Half of those have flipped town

Players who voted for Titus:
Fireisredsir
Lukewarm

Ausuka

Dannflor

Roden

Player who voted for Both:

Vivax

You’re misreading my post but whatever.

[fireisredsir]

"way too many votes have piled on there [for her to not be pressured again today]" i think

[Lukewarm]

I intend to spend most of my time trying to figure out whether Titus makes sense as an execution here, because odds are that they’ll face immense pressure (way too many votes have piled on there both yesterday and today, and there’s been a lot of discussion about the slot).

Is "way too many votes have piled there yesterday" really a concern you have?

Out of 17 living players, 6 players voted there at any point yesterday

Half of those have flipped town

Players who voted for Titus:
Fireisredsir
Lukewarm

Ausuka

Dannflor

Roden

Player who voted for Both:

Vivax

You’re misreading my post but whatever.

Ah.

I think I see the other way to read your post now. My bad

[Lukewarm]

"way too many votes have piled on there [for her to not be pressured again today]" i think

Yeah, I got it on the second read

[Dannflor]

I don’t TR Klick “so strongly”, but a balanced accounting of Klick’s play D1 would have surely incorporated that vote. Instead, you’re focused on how performative the explanation for their reads was D1, and nothing else, which seems one-sided to me. And honestly, I intend to spend most of my time trying to figure out whether Titus makes sense as an execution here, because odds are that they’ll face immense pressure (way too many votes have piled on there both yesterday and today, and there’s been a lot of discussion about the slot). Klick just… isn’t going to get executed over several other suspicious slots today. So your push seems way out of place to me.

I did mention the vote - and I do not read it the same way you do. I don't think it necessarily indicates much one way or another, but I think it's completely viable as a bus vote. There's nothing about the timing that scream anti-partnery to me. Again, I mentioned this.

I am not pushing Klick. Hence my vote on Titus.

I am talking about my read on Klick because jjh specifically asked me.

I don't feel super strongly about my read on Klick so I'm putting what I think about Klick out there so that people can challenge me on that.

if you have other reasons to town read Klick I would genuinely like for you to explain them please

[Andresvmb]

Now, Dannflor, do you want to talk about Klick

Anyway

I lean scum here. I find the way they developed reads throughout D1 to be a little performative? I suppose I should have done by homework to see whether Klick always does the giant list which they gradually strike out - but experiencing it for the first time I got the impression that Klick was "doing things just to do them"

I feel like there's a lot of posts that reinforce that to me too

Like 792 or 545 that are just observations? I think scum that goes unnoticed under the radar a lot are scum that are skilled at making observations without a lot of hard stances and reading through Klick's ISO I get the impression that they are doing stuff but not what they are doing? And the frankly the scum team of Dannflor/Roden/not-too-deep-deep-wolf feels... not very high-level for the amount of sorting Klick seems to want to appear to be doing?

I also find their Ircher vote, stating that they don't really have an opinion on the scum slip one way or another, a probable bus vote, but I realize I may be entering conf-bias territory with this point

What is your take on Klick?

Actually I didn’t read this post carefully enough. I don’t agree, but you did acknowledge the vote on Ircher. Now that I have read this again, I just feel you dismissed the vote too casually versus the way they express their reads. And I don’t find the lists to be problematic in the same way. It’s actually a decent way to see how Klick’s views are evolving without endlessly long posts, which would also open them up to questions.

[Andresvmb]

Anyway, I think I’ll just read Titus’ posts and tell you all what I feel. I think that’s issue number 1 right now.

[Titus]

I am a masonizer. I am keeping my partner hidden but you might solve it by my posts.

Vivax obviously scum kill to protect Luke. Aausuka vigged by Vivax.

VOTE: Lukewarm

[Dannflor]

vivax made it clear that they weren't gonna kill luke anymore i thought?

[furtiveglance]

I am a masonizer. I am keeping my partner hidden but you might solve it by my posts.

Vivax obviously scum kill to protect Luke. Aausuka vigged by Vivax.

VOTE: Lukewarm

Very interesting claim and I won't lie that my first thought was mafia can claim masons together, very risky play but happens sometimes in desperate situations. I don't think that's the case here though, and I think I know the other Mason.

Just quickly on the nightkills, I think mafia are probably getting 2 kills both nights so far, and I don't think Vivax would shoot Ausuka.

Titus: Can you 'masonize' mafia? What happens?

[Lukewarm]

So I'll personally just lock mastina scum and advise town to listen to Luke. Who for some reason isn't already being listened to. Seems familiar, but 5head enough to be paranoid about, so it's excusable for a while. But this is just Luke town imo and has more clue than anyone else.

Ah yes, the man I needed to fear kill

[Titus]

vivax made it clear that they weren't gonna kill luke anymore i thought?

And Vivax shot Ausuka.

Luke shot Vivax because he knew no traction.

[Ydrasse]

titus is lying btw

[Ydrasse]

Wait