Datisi's Café [game over!]

[fireisredsir]

btw reminder that mastina said she 100% guarantees scum has no roleblockers or anything powerful when now that she's fullclaimed it's clear that she had zero reason to believe that

explain why you said that?

[jjh927]

I'd rather not rush this day phase tbh

Could you at least give me some time to consider the mech here
It may look like there's an obvious solution but I'm gonna go against the grain again and say that literally every claim that has been made could theoretically coexist and all be town

[Something_Smart]

I could've done 25% on both days, but I figured that 100% into 50% made for a better support of the D4 reveal lie that I was planning. (From the moment I understood the mechanic, I put the "claim that I'll claim on D4" plan into place, but I DO have some--very subtle--crumbs in my iso which tell you that the true reveal was on D3.)

Well, in retrospect the biggest tell is that if your role really took 175% then you didn't need to wait until N3 to use it.

[fireisredsir]

I also feel like it is good design to make peta's traffic analyst have a false guilty, so that it is not just a cop.

Roden's role is real, but it ain't town.

You've proven that Roden's role is real, but Roden's role being real was never the question. Roden's role is, explicitly, real.

It is also, explicitly, a scum role this game. For reasons the scumteam has no clue about, but which would be obvious with a massclaim.

If you were modding a 21 player and you gave Mafia 4 players (not confirmed), would you give 2 Mafia useless abilities?

As a matter of fact, yes!

I'm not going to out the why, but I'll say this:

The scum are

not

going to have any strong scum roles: Ninja, Strongman, Roleblocker, Rolecop, etc.
100% guaranteed they have NOTHING considered a strong scum role.

I'm not explaining this but I guarantee it's true.

you can explain it now!

[Something_Smart]

It may look like there's an obvious solution but I'm gonna go against the grain again and say that literally every claim that has been made could theoretically coexist and all be town

This is true, but it would require town-Titus to fumble her role very hard.

Ideally Titus just flips RB and then we can kill fire afterward.

[Dannflor]

I mean Titus assuming she had a partner in mastina when her action actually failed just seems like something town would never do

[jjh927]

I think it's probably inaccurate setup spec

I was thinking similar lines but not making the assumption that it was definitely the case at the time. Mastina's judgment mechanically has appeared very rushed this game

[Lukewarm]

scum had no reason to roleblock me

who would you have expected them to roleblock?

With the way mastina carried on about day 4, if I were scum she I would have insisted on either killing or roleblocking her by day 4.

If she is town, a roleblock on her makes a lot of sense actually.

I actually doubt that she, if scum, would have done no actions 2 nights in a row in a game with no multitasking, right?

Like if she is a scum pr, she acts. If she is a goon, she does the kills.

Unless the scum team is actually irchers role + 2 goons + 1 lol

[fireisredsir]

It may look like there's an obvious solution but I'm gonna go against the grain again and say that literally every claim that has been made could theoretically coexist and all be town

This is true, but it would require town-Titus to fumble her role very hard.

Ideally Titus just flips RB and then we can kill fire afterward.

and SS is the third, neat

[Dannflor]

then we can kill fire afterward.

for why

[Klick]

mastina and titus are literally both scum lmao

[Lukewarm]

scum had no reason to roleblock me

who would you have expected them to roleblock?

With the way mastina carried on about day 4, if I were scum she I would have insisted on either killing or roleblocking her by day 4.

If she is town, a roleblock on her makes a lot of sense actually.

I actually doubt that she, if scum, would have done no actions 2 nights in a row in a game with no multitasking, right?

Like if she is a scum pr, she acts. If she is a goon, she does the kills.

Unless the scum team is actually irchers role + 2 goons + 1 lol

I think this leads me to a

Town!fire -> town!mastina conclusion

Scum!fire -> town mastina conclusion

Which is not what I expected tbh

[Something_Smart]

for why

incredibly convenient claim, if they know mastina was RB'd and thus technically didn't take any action.

[fireisredsir]

for why

incredibly convenient claim, if they know mastina was RB'd and thus technically didn't take any action.

??

mastina is the one who altered her claim after hearing my results

[Klick]

Yeah I think it’s somewhat likely mastina could be town and also lying here

Dann/Titus/mastina lol

[Something_Smart]

mastina is the one who altered her claim after hearing my results

That's why I said if Titus flips RB, because it lends a lot more credence to mastina's claim, and Titus claimed to visit her.

[jjh927]

It may look like there's an obvious solution but I'm gonna go against the grain again and say that literally every claim that has been made could theoretically coexist and all be town

This is true, but it would require town-Titus to fumble her role very hard.

Ideally Titus just flips RB and then we can kill fire afterward.

You're right, and that's why scum!Titus is the obvious solution

In terms of timeline;

Titus claimed a masonry when it appeared Ydrasse was hinting Titus had a PT
Ydrasse claimed the result that Titus does not have a PT
Titus explicitly claimed masons with Mastina
then proceeded to elaborate on conditions that made it extremely clear that Titus did not masonise Mastina



I want to have a look at whether or not Titus might have genuinely made a mistake there or it's just a very quick attempt at a recovery. Titus didn't seem to acknowledge at any point that she made a really obvious mistake- it required other people pointing it out. There's something in there but I can't really analyse with real accuracy while my brain is frazzled from my in-office day at work.

[mastina]

but she's claiming an investigative result and she is literally lying bc i checked her both nights and she hasn't done anything

To what do I owe the pleasure of being visited two nights in a row when I said on D1 that the reveal would be on D4? When I said on D2 that I'd go 50% on D2 and 75% on D3 and 100% on D4? (Obv was a lie, will be at 100% now and every day future since I already fired my shot.)

Could it perhaps be that you knew that I couldn't have a result on you because of factional knowledge?

I don't believe there's more town killstopping power, or if there is, that they just so

happened

to have targeted me last night.

And scum aren't going to have an ungated roleblocker.

So a lack of result on you is still effectively a guilty, because

something caused my action to fail

, and that something is almost certainly scum-related.

Like, say, a scum rolestopper rolestopping fireisredsir.

[Titus]

Yeah I think it’s somewhat likely mastina could be town and also lying here

Dann/Titus/mastina lol

Klick is scum. Should have realized he was different than the Nashville game but I attributed that to being town this time.

Klick/Luke plus 1.

[fireisredsir]

my bet is actually that scum have a watcher or something and she originally claimed to bait PRs to target her, and when they got a watcher result that i visited, and i started the day saying she was scum, she suspected i had some sort of guilty and tried to get out in front of it

[Lukewarm]

Yeah I think it’s somewhat likely mastina could be town and also lying here

Dann/Titus/mastina lol

Please outline the scenario where mastina is scum, and fire it town, and got these results in a game with no multitasking

im a reddit moderator, i can check if someone carried out a night action. i used it on mastina both nights and both nights she did not carry out an action.

[Something_Smart]

Fire, did you expect town-mastina to take an action N1 and/or N2? Also, did you soft your N1 result anywhere?

[Andresvmb]

I think in the general context of today, I would execute mastina before I voted for fireisredsir, though I don’t understand why Scum would try and do a 1v1 trade in the way that mastina has here. Just something doesn’t add up.

[Lukewarm]

my bet is actually that scum have a watcher or something and she originally claimed to bait PRs to target her, and when they got a watcher result that i visited, and i started the day saying she was scum, she suspected i had some sort of guilty and tried to get out in front of it

huh.

this is actually a reasonable answer.

But that makes the scum team goon + goon + watcher + Ircher's fairly useless role, which feels wrong.

[Titus]

Yeah I think it’s somewhat likely mastina could be town and also lying here

Dann/Titus/mastina lol

Please outline the scenario where mastina is scum, and fire it town, and got these results in a game with no multitasking

im a reddit moderator, i can check if someone carried out a night action. i used it on mastina both nights and both nights she did not carry out an action.

Mastina is a goon? But mastina's not scum soooo

It's You Klick plus 1. You don't talk to each other.