Datisi's Café [game over!]

[fireisredsir]

but she's claiming an investigative result and she is literally lying bc i checked her both nights and she hasn't done anything

To what do I owe the pleasure of being visited two nights in a row when I said on D1 that the reveal would be on D4? When I said on D2 that I'd go 50% on D2 and 75% on D3 and 100% on D4? (Obv was a lie, will be at 100% now and every day future since I already fired my shot.)

Could it perhaps be that you knew that I couldn't have a result on you because of factional knowledge?

I don't believe there's more town killstopping power, or if there is, that they just so

happened

to have targeted me last night.

And scum aren't going to have an ungated roleblocker.

So a lack of result on you is still effectively a guilty, because

something caused my action to fail

, and that something is almost certainly scum-related.

Like, say, a scum rolestopper rolestopping fireisredsir.

i suspected that most likely based on your claim, if it was true and you were town, you wouldn't act n1, and would act either n2 or n3, or both. so i checked n1 -- because if you had acted n1, and then later claimed that you hadn't, that means you're scum who actually had a different role, or you were carrying out the kill

so the n1 result checked out, but i still didn't really trust you on play, and so i decided it was worth checking again n2 due to the possibility that you would reveal d3

[Klick]

Yeah I think it’s somewhat likely mastina could be town and also lying here

Dann/Titus/mastina lol

Please outline the scenario where mastina is scum, and fire it town, and got these results in a game with no multitasking

im a reddit moderator, i can check if someone carried out a night action. i used it on mastina both nights and both nights she did not carry out an action.

????

The scenario is just mastina being a Mafia Goon

[fireisredsir]

my bet is actually that scum have a watcher or something and she originally claimed to bait PRs to target her, and when they got a watcher result that i visited, and i started the day saying she was scum, she suspected i had some sort of guilty and tried to get out in front of it

huh.

this is actually a reasonable answer.

But that makes the scum team goon + goon + watcher + Ircher's fairly useless role, which feels wrong.

why are there two goons?

[Titus]

I think in the general context of today, I would execute mastina before I voted for fireisredsir, though I don’t understand why Scum would try and do a 1v1 trade in the way that mastina has here. Just something doesn’t add up.

Yeah, I love mastina, but she has an ego. Klick or Luke likely blocked her.

[mastina]

isn't mastina's like whole thing that she hates lying about claims

As scum!

I lie my ass off all the time as town.

Oh boy so Mastina's guilty on Fire is explained by Mastina being roleblocked and Fire's guilty on Mastina is explained by Mastina being roleblocked

Yes, but fire's claim seems awfully like he knew I couldn't have a role result on him and that he is making up a roleclaim to justify that--why target me twice especially when I didn't visit N1? When I said the reveal would be on D4? I made it clear I wasn't acting until N3-at-earliest, and the proof that I wasn't acting would be found in a genuine N1 result on me.

Why would fireisredsir target me two nights in a row, when I was proven to have not acted N1 and had publicly stated my reveal was on D4?

It doesn't track. If fire thought I was scum lying, then there would've been proof I wasn't acting from N1.

Why would Fire see me not act N1 and think I would act N2?

What would make fire decide to target me twice when I said D4?

[Lukewarm]

And scum aren't going to have an ungated roleblocker.

Hey mastina, if you want us to adjust our takes based on this claim, I think its time for you to explain the claim.

[fireisredsir]

Fire, did you expect town-mastina to take an action N1 and/or N2? Also, did you soft your N1 result anywhere?

answered the first part already. i didn't really have any conclusive result (just that she didn't act) so idk what i would have softed, there wasn't anything to say

[Titus]

And scum aren't going to have an ungated roleblocker.

Hey mastina, if you want us to adjust our takes based on this claim, I think its time for you to explain the claim.

Ego.

[Something_Smart]

also i guess i should say that i don't really trust mastina at all, not super interested in sheeping reads there

roden seems alright so far. the claim has a couple weird things about it but i think that it could come from town. i don't really want to get into that discussion too much yet due to reasons, but the play outside of that seems maybe a little scummy

ig the main reason i don't want to vote there is bc of mastina, but maybe that's dumb, idk

is this really a post made by someone who just got a result indicating mastina is more likely to be telling the truth?

[Lukewarm]

my bet is actually that scum have a watcher or something and she originally claimed to bait PRs to target her, and when they got a watcher result that i visited, and i started the day saying she was scum, she suspected i had some sort of guilty and tried to get out in front of it

huh.

this is actually a reasonable answer.

But that makes the scum team goon + goon + watcher + Ircher's fairly useless role, which feels wrong.

why are there two goons?

in your scenario:
Mastina did nothing.
Someone did the kill

That someone is then also a goon, or has a role so useless they decided not to use it in order to set up this gambit.

[mastina]

But mastina just walked that back

I didn't walk it back--the result indicating a guilty is still indicating a guilty.

I had no reason to be roleblocked last night.

But my action failed.

So something caused it to be blocked, when I had no reason to be roleblocked.

Ergo, something made fireisredsir be immune to my investigation.

And fireisredsir's claim supports that he knew he was immune to actions last night, because

a town fireisredsir has no reason to target me two nights in a row with a no-visit result N1

.

[fireisredsir]

I made it clear I wasn't acting until N3-at-earliest, and the proof that I wasn't acting would be found in a genuine N1 result on me.

and i wanted to see if that was the case or not? who else do you think i should have checked?

[Titus]

Last scum is Andres or PP based off VCA

Klick Luke andres/PP

That's my final answer

[Lukewarm]

Yes, but fire's claim seems awfully like he knew I couldn't have a role result on him and that he is making up a roleclaim to justify that--why target me twice especially when I didn't visit N1? When I said the reveal would be on D4? I made it clear I wasn't acting until N3-at-earliest, and the proof that I wasn't acting would be found in a genuine N1 result on me.

Based on his vote to kill you towards the end of the day, I think that the easiest answer is that he thought you were scum and was trying to catch you in a lie.

[fireisredsir]

also i guess i should say that i don't really trust mastina at all, not super interested in sheeping reads there

roden seems alright so far. the claim has a couple weird things about it but i think that it could come from town. i don't really want to get into that discussion too much yet due to reasons, but the play outside of that seems maybe a little scummy

ig the main reason i don't want to vote there is bc of mastina, but maybe that's dumb, idk

is this really a post made by someone who just got a result indicating mastina is more likely to be telling the truth?

thats not how i interpreted the result. i didn't trust her before i checked and i didn't trust her after either. the result was reasonable if she was town but it didn't really change my view at all

[Andresvmb]

Last scum is Andres or PP based off VCA

Klick Luke andres/PP

That's my final answer

Can you have your teammates not shoot me please? I’m actually having fun now.

[mastina]

you were the only one telegraphing a strong role

This is not a town mindset btw.

I promise that by D4, you'll know why.

Especially since my

very first post

said

by Day Four

. (Btw that wording is one of the true 'crumbs. I didn't say ON D4, I said BY D4, and D3 is by D4. )

[jjh927]

Mastina, why have you not reached the conclusion that Fire could just be a roleblocker yet

I don't think it's true

I think I could maybe add Fire to this increasingly ridiculous statement below and still plausibly be right

I think Mastina, Lukewarm, Titus, and Roden are all town

but it's the obvious conclusion that explains why he would know you couldn't act either night while also explaining the failed action on your part

[Something_Smart]

thats not how i interpreted the result. i didn't trust her before i checked and i didn't trust her after either. the result was reasonable if she was town but it didn't really change my view at all

so you assumed the scumteam was mostly goons? or what

[Titus]

Last scum is Andres or PP based off VCA

Klick Luke andres/PP

That's my final answer

Can you have your teammates not shoot me please? I’m actually having fun now.

I can't control what scum does. Sorry.

[fireisredsir]

you were the only one telegraphing a strong role

This is not a town mindset btw.

I promise that by D4, you'll know why.

Especially since my

very first post

said

by Day Four

. (Btw that wording is one of the true 'crumbs. I didn't say ON D4, I said BY D4, and D3 is by D4. )

why is it not a town mindset? explain

you made an elaborate claim that seemed to indicate you had significant power. you made it very clear that you would be revealing your role by d4. that seemed like easily the most useful place to use my role, bc then once you do reveal your role i can see if my info matches what you claimed

and now we see that it literally doesn't match your initial claim and you had to change your claim afterwards so obviously it was a good idea lmao

[fireisredsir]

thats not how i interpreted the result. i didn't trust her before i checked and i didn't trust her after either. the result was reasonable if she was town but it didn't really change my view at all

so you assumed the scumteam was mostly goons? or what

why mostly? why couldn't just mastina be a goon

[Something_Smart]

well they'd need another goon to be carrying out the kill b/c no multitasking

[mastina]

scum had no reason to roleblock me

who would you have expected them to roleblock?

You, jjh, PenguinPower, or Vivax.
Maybe {Titus, Lukewarm, Dannflor} if not killing them.

But they had no reason to block me.

I had claimed the reveal would be on D4, not D3.

I was under fairly wide suspicion.

Roden, my HARD push, flipped town.

I had my credibility

destroyed

by that flip--with people quite suspicious of me.

Why would the scum roleblock me?

They wouldn't.

Ergo, the scum likely have either an ascetic/commuter (fireisredsir) or a rolestopper (who targeted fireisredsir to protect fire from the chance Vivax would vig there).

And in either case, the No Result is still a guilty. It's not as

hard

of a guilty as the actual result would be, but it's

still

a guilty. It's akin to a Loyal role receiving a No Result--not as hard of a guilty, but still a guilty because scum had no reason to roleblock me.

[Something_Smart]

Kills, I should say. Did you expect that scum would have made both kills with the same member, or one with each?