FFVII Mafia: Over

[Cephrir]

Then as I said, earlier you should have simply said "I have nothing but that I don't like his style" rather than "I have nothing solid." [which insinuates that you have something that is NOT solid.

......those are the same thing.

[christiano drago]

They're not - how are you failing to grasp that they are not the same thing. By saying you have nothing solid states that you have nothing that will stick. By saying that you have nothing, you are saying that you have, literally nothing.

For example.

Nothing solid; Clouds, water, air, feathers, jelly, jam, soup.

Nothing; Fuck all.

[Cephrir]

...Sure.

[Cephrir]

Yeah, when I said I had nothing solid, I really meant that I had soup.

[Grimmy]

soup is not nothing!

soup is good food!

then again, so are stray animals and some office items when you are at work late.

Grimmy
at work late and will be busy this week, so this is a prod prevention post

[christiano drago]

Well done for missing the point entirely.

In this context, obviously it doesn't mean soup. I was simply using that as a simple example because I was starting to think you were a bit simple.

Now I'm starting to think you are entirely simple.

One murder suspect is being by the police. The police have Nothing on him - so he will be released free of charge.

Another murder suspect is also being held in the same investigation. The police have

nothing solid

on him, but they will retain him because whatever they do have on him that isn't solid [sketchy witness report, lie about an alibi] is worth investigating.

Has this example managed to break through your skull?

[Grimmy]

Well done for missing the point entirely.

In this context, obviously it doesn't mean soup. I was simply using that as a simple example because I was starting to think you were a bit simple.

Now I'm starting to think you are entirely simple.

One murder suspect is being by the police. The police have Nothing on him - so he will be released free of charge.

Another murder suspect is also being held in the same investigation. The police have

nothing solid

on him, but they will retain him because whatever they do have on him that isn't solid [sketchy witness report, lie about an alibi] is worth investigating.

Has this example managed to break through your skull?

I see what you are saying, but this phrase fallsinto an arguementof semantics, as it can be interpreted differently by different people.

Grimmy
trying to add a bit more than my joke posts

[christiano drago]

I did say it could be a case of mistaken phraseology earlier on - which I personally don't believe in but won't chase anyone about - but it was ignored in favour of the "They are the same thing" argument.

Which they - clearly - are not.

[CarnCarn]

MBL
Nat
Lowell

Emp, what are your thoughts on Zakeri and his Yuffie/kloud "gaffe"? I notice you haven't listed him as someone you are suspicious of? Any reasons?

[CarnCarn]

I did say it could be a case of mistaken phraseology earlier on - which I personally don't believe in but won't chase anyone about - but it was ignored in favour of the "They are the same thing" argument.

Which they - clearly - are not.

So, what is your point with all of this? Even if he does have "something that is not solid" and is not telling us what it is, why is that scummy?
For all we know, what he could have is a small piece of the puzzle and he's waiting for other pieces to show up before revealing his hand.

[MrBuddyLee]

I believe the scum may be trying to put us to sleep with dreary tales of stone, soup and jam.

Let's spice this shit up--it's dreadfully dull. C'mon scumbags, start a wagon on the other team ffs.

[CarnCarn]

What do you mean by "passive command"? I thought it was reasonably clear that I do want him to make some [of his] opinions clearer [by posting some reasons] and his voice heard a bit louder [by generally making posts with more substance] if that's what you mean.

Here is your reason for voting:

in the meantime, rather than letting my vote just hang in limbo, I'll vote someone else who could make some opinions clearer and his voice heard a bit louder:

Vote: Empking

I was unsure what you meant by "could make some opinions clearer" and "voice heard a bit louder". It just sounded to me like the type of language scummates could just to communicate suggestions/orders. It's probably only a weak tell at most, and now that I look back at the context, I don't really consider it anything.

[christiano drago]

I did say it could be a case of mistaken phraseology earlier on - which I personally don't believe in but won't chase anyone about - but it was ignored in favour of the "They are the same thing" argument.

Which they - clearly - are not.

So, what is your point with all of this? Even if he does have "something that is not solid" and is not telling us what it is, why is that scummy?
For all we know, what he could have is a small piece of the puzzle and he's waiting for other pieces to show up before revealing his hand.

My original point was that he was using the words "Nothing Solid" to try and make it look like he had something, thus we wouldn't assume he'd been doing eff all apart from trying to blend in for the last day or so.

My eventual point, is that he seems to be a bit simple. Shame, it was a waste of my time.

[christiano drago]

I wasn't asking about Tony. I found DynamoIX rather scummy by the end of yesterday, and Lowell hasn't changed my opinion of that.

although, I'm satisfied now.

Unvote: Mr. Buddy Lee

I no longer have any doubt that there are multiple scum teams.

I no longer have any doubt that there are multiple scum teams.

Please tell me you didn't just become aware of that.

It was still a possibility. Now I'm certain it's not. Don't worry, even if you can't tell why, it's important for me to know for certain.

There are few things that rival my wordcraft. A fly in the center of a white room, if it were completely paralyzed, maybe.

I'll pay more attention now.

What I wanted you to tell me about, Zak, was the series of really alarming posts you made a few pages back that you just seem to be trying your hardest to ignore now.

They're quoted above, and the points made are all on page 56, I'm not quoting everything because quite frankly I can't be arsed sifting through three pages and arranging them tonight - read them.

[CarnCarn]

My eventual point, is that he seems to be a bit simple. Shame, it was a waste of my time.

Fail. Condescension gets us no extra points. And it's been relatively obvious what his "nothing solid" is anyway; he's mentioned it a few times earlier in the thread.

[christiano drago]

My eventual point, is that he seems to be a bit simple. Shame, it was a waste of my time.

Fail. Condescension gets us no extra points. And it's been relatively obvious what his "nothing solid" is anyway; he's mentioned it a few times earlier in the thread.

No, he said his nothing solid was just nothing. Which I felt was him changing what he had said, which to me was something to go on.

But then he failed to grasp the difference between nothing solid and nothing at all - and has caused me to lose a bit of faith in the human race.

[Zakeri]

Oh, I see what you're looking for now.

There's nothing to press on me though, since most of my mistakes are honest mistakes. There's no way for me to defend them, and I don't think they attribute to my townishness at all much less properly.

alright then, how about I give this a fair chance. Let's apply a little critical thinking to the nature of my comment.

Now, there are two scum groups, and anyone paying attention would have realized that by day three (when I made the comment). In addition to that, Both scum groups would have to be smaller than usual to fit them both into a game. For this example, I think we're assuming three scum per group with one SK for a total of 7 scum, which would indeed fit nicely into a 26 person game. Of course, since there were so few scum when they would expect 6 or 7 in a game with only one scum group, they would instantly know if they weren't told that there was another scum group out there.

And I still made the mistake of thinking there might have only been one.

Ergo, Unless you guys have a good enough case to believe I'm the serial killer I doubt picking a wagon on me would get the town closer to a win.

[iamausername]

Then as I said, earlier you should have simply said "I have nothing but that I don't like his style" rather than "I have nothing solid." [which insinuates that you have something that is NOT solid.

Something that is not solid, like say... not liking your style?

christiano drago, why did "nothing but that I don't like his style" suddenly turn into "nothing" when you started going off on that ridiculous tangent about soup?

While I do think CD is arguing ridiculous semantics here, I also think Cephrir could stand to be a little more specific. You say CD is "constantly rubbing you the wrong way", but if you could narrow this down to specific posts that are bugging you, even if you can't figure out why, it might help someone else spot something.

MBL, I'm willing to believe that my opinions might be expressed by scum.

I am also willing to believe that your opinions are expressed by scum!

[blah blah blah]

And I still made the mistake of thinking there might have only been one.

This is a great argument, except for the part where we only have your word to go on that you actually made this mistake.

[Zakeri]

This is a great argument, except for the part where we only have your word to go on that you actually made this mistake.

Not counting the post where I actually did make this mistake, which is why people are jumping on me.

Although you are entitled to the opinion that I was smart enough to set this up. I need an ego boost anyways.

[christiano drago]

While I do think CD is arguing ridiculous semantics here, I also think Cephrir could stand to be a little more specific. You say CD is "constantly rubbing you the wrong way", but if you could narrow this down to specific posts that are bugging you, even if you can't figure out why, it might help someone else spot something.

The point was to try and determine if he was actually just saying this to look busy as it were, or if he did think he had something.

If I was to give him the credit that Carn Carn wants me to [and not be condescending], then I'd be inclined to think the way he worded it was deliberate so that people would think he had a suspect of his own and was doing something other than blending in to the background like good scum should.

But for now I'm not interested in giving him that credit - he's either fantastic at playing dumb, or fantastically dumb in my opinion. And since we already know I rub him the wrong way - I don't mind saying it as bluntly as that at all.

[TonyMontana]

[...]CD is arguing ridiculous semantics here[...]

QTF

Btw, I don't have a case or anything, but I'm suspicious about CD...

[christiano drago]

Just told you all why I felt it as worth chasing. But grasp what you will.

[Empking]

Personally I can see CD's point.

I think Zakeri's gaff is sxcummy but not as scummy as the three I listed.

[Cephrir]

CD. It doesn't matter. Seriously. Just let it go. Breathe.

[Lowell]

Still threatening a reread, still hasn't happened. I'll set my ambitions lower and just try to read the last 10 pages, maybe.