hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

[MariaR]

For example, my fine feathered friend, you may have noticed exhibit A:

but I understand people TR things easier than I do.

Save the Dragons/Marci/Char
Fen/Cape
.
Pooky/Gamma
Nero/Frog

I go lay down now have fun

A contradiction in the number of Townreads they listed vs the number they should have were they sorting the thread organically.

There is no way, you are going to come into the thread and say "I made this one post to try and make Maria scumread me therefore showing that she is a wolf" because you weren't trying to do that and the fact you're trying to claim that is beyond silly, I don't think it'd take anyone more than two seconds to see how that's doesn't happen.

Now the post above me? Just because I made the statement: "people tr things easier than I do" does not mean I cannot have townreads made in the thread overtime. What you're pointing out isn't even a contradiction you're trying to paint it as this blanket statement that if Maria doesn't have more wolfreads than scumreads that statement is false.

Either you're reaching so hard that you've convinced yourself that I am a wolf with such wacky reasoning without even considering why this stuff can come from a villager or you're just a wolf trying to paint anything possible into a wolfread.

I'll let the thread figure out what.

[Cape90]

Either you're reaching so hard that you've convinced yourself that I am a wolf with such wacky reasoning without even considering why this stuff can come from a villager or you're just a wolf trying to paint anything possible into a wolfread.

I'll let the thread figure out what

.

Somehow I wouldn't think you would trust the thread consensus rather then yourself if you are town

[Cape90]

Plus, I was able to reread the posts, as I'm filling a log of posts in a document as well as relationships with players between players to see for contradictions and later reference, and

So basically you're open wolfing to try and put me on tilt so you can sort me. Groovy!

Usually when people tilt me, they are town, unless they are being lazy, which clearly Fennec isn't

[Cape90]

and also, Crumbing your voting the guy who hadn't posted a single time

they posted twice, but only in the beginning of the game

[Cape90]

Sigh that's effort? Don't you know how lazy I am? Besides the obvious RVS votes that are just >rand on if you want to call them AI or not, I think most of the stuff said so far has a level of effort put in that on a baseline looks towny (because people TR effort a lot) but on the stuff that is AI in and of itself? Not much, I suppose the conversation about Nero was the most interesting thing said in the thread so far besides the busywork questions.

something rubs me the wrong way about especially the performative first part of this post

[MalcolmTucker]

Whether for the reasons presented or not so far I think Maria looks quite scummy here. There's a cagey defensiveness to some of their posts after being accused which vibes with me as scum trying to clear their name but not wanting to look overly desperate but panicky while doing so.

I think Fennec vs Frog is TvT. Fennec very much feels like they're thinking out loud in the thread in a townie way, while I find Frog's play can be quite erratic but engaged when they are town. I'm not particularly seeing strong scum motivation from either of them at the moment.

[Greeting]

Can you elaborate on why Maria is scum? I don't super get Maria's take in 245 calling my posts not fuzzy so it's easy not to like it?

Would just like to point out that Fennec's posts have not been fluffy and yet literally everyone is calling Fennec towny. What's the difference Maria?

I have cut him some slack for being a newbie, but I don't think

Fennec

is sounding towny at all in this game. The recent annoyance is like, the most genuine-looking thing I've seen from this slot. Other than that it doesn't seem to me like he's reading the thread that much at all, and some of his stances actually don't make sense to me at all.

Alright Post 50 or so reads (Take all with a grain of salt by a massive quantity, its too early to get full reads)

Cape - Pulling a lot of reads out the backside. and scum do that a lot. also, its so early so I doubt you can get any "I'll Explain Later" Level reads. Generally can't tell between town/scum with this guy. its hard to read him.
Frog - He is actually asking some important questions, and his reads aren't out his backside too much. I'm Leaning to town with him.
Nero Cain - I can't accurately get a read off him, but he feels dodgy.
SirRhett - Starts off with a joke, just like in the newbie game he is in. although, that joke is a bit different. in the game he did that joke (It was basically joking around that he was scum because his predecessor was read as scum quite early on) and was a bit like a pair like in that game. this read relies on that game he is in to progress more foward though, but i do have a meta read that i can't say is town/scum at the same time, because that game isn't over yet. Although, this is a resource that I might use to read him, the game is like D1, so this is the one to take the most grains of salt (For now at least!)
Everyone else? Needs to post more, and I need to read a little more about them and their meta first.

So, I have double checked and by post 55,

Frogsterking

actually didn't ask a single question. Which is why I was really surprised when

Frogsterking

posted 62. Like?!?!

The read on (

Cape90

does look better as he had posted reads in the game before, and what he did could be objectively considered a lot at that stage of the game. I completely disagree with the claim that scum do that a lot though. But it's subjective and I can accept that.

Let's take post 72 for instance.

Yeah i went from Town-Leaning to Null to Scum-Leaning for cape within 30 posts. I was finding it kinda dodgy but could of been town, but now I'm thinking it is plain dodgy. none of them made sense and were literally 20-30 posts in. and yes Early/Late blah blah can be true mattering on the player no surprise there. And also, Frog seems Town-Leaning to me, and I fully agree with him. also, the Post 69 is Dodgy as all hell.

VOTE: Cape

Here is post 69:

You are being swayed by Nero of all people?

Which is

Cape90

blatantly poking fun at

Nero

. How is it "dodgy"?

[Cape90]

I have cut him some slack for being a newbie, but I don't think Fennec is sounding towny at all in this game. The recent annoyance is like, the most genuine-looking thing I've seen from this slot. Other than that it doesn't seem to me like he's reading the thread that much at all, and some of his stances actually don't make sense to me at all.

How do you even get that impression from the Fennec slot, I think Fennec is very clearly reading the room

[Greeting]

I have cut him some slack for being a newbie, but I don't think Fennec is sounding towny at all in this game. The recent annoyance is like, the most genuine-looking thing I've seen from this slot. Other than that it doesn't seem to me like he's reading the thread that much at all, and some of his stances actually don't make sense to me at all.

How do you even get that impression from the Fennec slot, I think Fennec is very clearly reading the room

Maybe if you read the whole post and not just the beginning you'd know how I got that impression!

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok. Your clear of the questions for now nero, because as i read through and your more current responses were posted, Your fucking RIGHT.

So Can I have some answers, some shit from
Cape, Frog, Maria, Charloux
Maria could be a Town that was used as a reason to pivot off, or just plain scum. Probably the Former, but the Latter is likely.
Charloux is a very minor suspicion, But i do think you should answer some of the things Save put out.
Frog had a bit of a fucking random pivot to a guy that isn't even here, then when maria voted accused nero with cape and then voted them for some pretty dogshit reasons. also my questions in my question post would be nice to see answered
Cape, If I rated Scum to town on a scale of -10 to +10 (- being scummy, + being town) You are like -5 to -7. I'm Betting 90% you'd flip scum. a flip from you gives a massive set of information to work with for D2, If you'd flip town or scum you'd still give a lot of information for D2.

I'm Gonna propose this
Cape, Frog, Maria, Charloux, Greeting, Nero, Crescent. Between this group, I'd say you'd have 2-4 Mafia here. within this core group of people for sure you'd find at least 2, probably 3.

Between them, I'd rate

Most Likely To Flip Town (This bar is basically Null/Null-Leaning)
Nero
Crescent (Definitely a Null Read, ever so slightly to town as they were randomly swerved on when they aren't even fucking here)
Charloux
Maria
Frog
Greeting

MASSIVE FUCKING GAP HERE

Cape
Least Likely To Flip Town

Also, Cape why the fuck are you thinking it is so dodgy to vote greeting? and why greeting are you somehow thinking cape is town from your perspective? also, Most of your reads ended up being some of the closer to Null or Scum people in the list too in that early set, and how were you able to judge one post as evil or townie? tell me. I asked it 250 posts ago, still wondering it now.

Also maria here is the post i want you to read a little behind and then a little foward for what I mean

Glad to see out of the 100 posts almost none of them were that helpful given how objectively nai they were

but hey VOTE: Nero it wasn't all that bad

if you read, Frog goes from Cape to Swerving to crescent randomly then completely agrees with cape on nero just around the page before and the next 2 pages after, with most of that action taking place in this page.

Dude
I can’t see any notable progression in your reads, you’re just randomly spouting lists of names you think are scum it seems
Can you try explaining yourself a little better on some of the less stable SRs?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think I've even been pushing you that hard, kinda just been stating I have a wolfread on you and keeping my vote on you, I don't think my contributions have done much in the way to get you voted, do you care about it that badly?

Switching my vote to Gamma is an option, but that isn't going to go anywhere and the other main option is cape who I don't agree with. Of course, I could start my own wagon but that's effort.
pedit: mmmm I don't have a problem with you being aggressive, we've played together enough that I know that's just your style of play I just don't think the way you've held conversations are coming from a villa mindset early in the game. Sure, you're overly defensive (and that's fine you're being pushed) but I'm not digging it.

Where should I be voting again?

I think it’s suspicious you opted to name me and Nero, two people you have experience with before, as your two suspects, and you’ve done jack shot to explain those reads. And you can’t claim you don’t know how to read me because you just did it in that micro before.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Fennec


So basically you're saying you don't think Frogs thinking is real, right? I do think if Nero is a villager Frog is a wolf because of the way they handled that sideline middle ground here and it looked partly advantageous. Like, if both of them are a villager I would be quite surprised. Frog's trap posting of saying if I unvote Nero we're partners is really bad.

Anyway, Gamma's posting is pretty weak and as someone who can read Gamma pretty well, what are your thoughts on them? I feel like Gamma and MT need to have a bit more of a spotlight then they're given because the loud voices are drowning everything else out at the moment.

Yup, Claire’s flexing her BoP here
If Claire wants to seriously target me she’s gonna be blown up very quickly.

[Greeting]

I think that if

Fennec

is scum, there's a higher chance of

Toogeloo

being scum too.

[Greeting]

Anyway, let's find out.

VOTE: Fennec

[Greeting]

I have a soft townlean on

Gamma Emerald

. Her tone sounds like she's actually solving and sorting.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Crescent voters

Let's get Maria D1.

Kitty - You have no Questions. Congrats. Maybe talk a little more too.

Will do.

Kitty's fine, you can help get Maria run up though.

VOTE: MariaR
Roger.

[Gamma Emerald]

My avatar is a wolf to ya? I'm gonna ignore the big massive ears, the yellow pelt coloration, how small it is, and the tail. It's a fennec fox. I can understand kinda how you could mix that up, but at the same time can't.

I can understand kinda how you could mix that up, but at the same time can't.

As a player with the username frogsterking and an avatar featuring batman, I don't.

I used to have an avatar related to my username origins but it’s more fun branching out lol

[Gamma Emerald]

also, by my idea of openwolfing, You are openly, Signalling to your scumteam. If it means to you something different, tell me

Prioritizing thread disruption over being at all believable as a Townie. Like you don't care if you get voted out early as long as you are so annoying you prevent a proper Town Core from finding each other.

Lmao that’s like, my legit scum MO at times
Slip decently far into the game, then spread as much muck as possible to make it challenging to solve the rest of the game once I flip

[Fennec]

I'll talk more about my reads and all that shit once I get my sleep, Read all the way back like I have been doing lately for a list of Important posts.

also greeting how does me flipping scum, make toogeloo suspicious. like please tell me. like actually, how do you somehow, pull that out your ass though. Like why is that specifically, the name you draw from the hat as also scum if I flip scum? also, What is gamma doing specifically to solve the game here? Despite calling me someone pulling names out of the hat, I haven't seen a single more in-depth post from them. I don't find them scummy at all, I'm just wondering why that is the specific person drawn from the hat. and also, still asking why you thought cape was specifically good, like even cape pointed that out (Although, that was when I mentioned him oddly against all of your votes, and how you were so protective of him as well)

[Charloux]

You answered your own question.

The other half of my post got swallowed by the abyss it seems

you're breaking up frogster's posts so he can't just monologue endlessly about what kind of cereal he had in the morning

R/murderedbywords

There is a lot to comment on, i'm just too lazy right now. The first thing i would need to do is go back and see scum!frog games and maria's recent games...
Maybe i should just sheep someone and be done with it *sigh*

[Frogsterking]

So, I have double checked and by post 55, Frogsterking actually didn't ask a single question. Which is why I was really surprised when Frogsterking posted 62. Like?!?!

Can be a sign of emotional manipulation. I can see Fennec taking a similar arc DeltaWave did from the mini normal I quoted earlier where they sound like scum from the start but accrue Townreads over time based off who they interact (aka target) until eventually Town is just unwilling to vote them out.

Of course, two alternative explanations are that Greeting is scum trying to discredit Fennec who they view as obv Town or Greeting and Fennec are both Town and Greeting is tunneling Fennec due to their disorganized manner of speaking.

@Fennec

you are allowed to PM the mod and ask for a notes PT (though you aren't allowed to reference using it specifically or link to it directly, so don't mention it if you get one) and I can already tell you that if this is your Town game you will improve a lot as a player by writing your posts into the Notes PT and then deciding whether or not and how you would like to share your ideas with the main thread.

I'm going to have to fact check Greeting and review Fennec later. I'm open to voting out Fennec today if I decide Greeting is telling the truth.

[Frogsterking]

So, I have double checked and by post 55, Frogsterking actually didn't ask a single question. Which is why I was really surprised when Frogsterking posted 62. Like?!?!

It's not a slam dunk, you missed one:

Frogsterking - "I may or may not post my survey start"

Gamma Emerald - Comment on elaborating something later.

Speaking of moving the game forward, cape can you justify townleaning these two above in some way that makes it seem like you

didn't

just throw a bunch of names together?

I think Greeting might have a valid point still because it's a bit dodgy of Fennec to describe me as "actually asking some important questions" in 55 based off #47 alone. Even though Greeting missed #47 I'd argue it's Fennec who is missing details rather than Greeting as Fennec described me as "...actually asking some..." implying I'm asking multiple important questions and that this is some novel idea which sets me apart as special compared to what others are putting out. I believe these details escaped my notice and it's due to puffing up my ego that I reciprocated Fennec's favorable evaluation in 62.

After reassessing my TR on Fennec I would place Fennec at null in my reads list, which actually makes me more inclined to vote Fennec as I think they are ideally positioned for a scum who is active in the thread, and will be a problem if not taken seriously as I learned by waiting too long to push DeltaWave. I encourage everyone else to also reassess their Townread on Fennec and why/what is causing them to TR Fennec, as a closer look at the slot may reveal Fennec to be quite a bit dodgy themselves.

My current plan is to take a break from the thread and ponder the pros and cons of pushing Fennec now instead of my other leads.

[Frogsterking]

After reviewing the thread (which is very easy to do due to the lack of bloat) I've decided I don't feel comfortable tunneling on Fennec and Fennec should probably be a Town lean despite Greeting's point. I also want to point out that Greeting's play is closely aligned with their scum meta rather than their Town meta. I mentioned earlier that scum!Greeting was capable of forging Town tells for the latter half of D1 and overall I suspect that's what they're up to with this Fennec push.

I think MariaR is the best place to go and I'm fine with someone hammering there if a flash wagon occurs.

[marcistar]

i wouldnt mind a greeting wagon honestly

[MariaR]

VOTE: MalcolmTucker