Datisi's Café [game over!]

[fireisredsir]

I mean, that's true, but you were also saying the wrong thing-- e.g. "i thought that it was most likely that if you were telling the truth you would no-act n1 and then act either n2 or n3 or both", "the n1 result checked out". Those made it sound like you had some expectation for when she would/wouldn't act, and that her probably claiming was just an added bonus, rather than you actually not caring about the results at all until she claimed. And if you actually didn't care at all about the results until she claimed, I would have expected you to say something to the effect of "I was hoping mastina would claim before I did" when you claimed, or something to that effect.

i was only saying that bc people kept specifically asking about it, it wasn't ever a major factor for me personally and i didn't mean to imply that it was

[Something_Smart]

Noted. I'm bad at reading intent, that's why I asked for other opinions on whether this interpretation checks out.

[fireisredsir]

i see her say she has an investigative result on me. i know that's a lie. so fmpov she has already claimed and i have already caught her in a lie and so that's why i was happy to fullclaim immediately

I mean, if she's saying she has a result that you're scum, doesn't that already make her lying fypov regardless of her role?

she said "heavily implies" or something

which to me looked like leaving herself room to walk it back. that part could be massaged into the truth depending on what she says she has

but she said with no hedging that she had an investigative result and that part i knew for sure was a lie

[PenguinPower]

whats the issue penguin

why do you think someone with a 150% requirement is going to act again/why do you think scum lying about it would take an action that's not killing you?

[PenguinPower]

oh - this whole argument already happened

[fireisredsir]

she hadn't claimed the 150% requirement when i chose to check

this discussion was about n1 and n2 actions, to be clear i did not check mastina a 3rd time lol

[PenguinPower]

yeah yeah - i picked up on that

[furtiveglance]

Don't really want to vote S_S anymore after recent posting.

[Dannflor]

I think at least one of Ircher/SS if not both are scum. The timing of this slip argument right as SS gets pushed for reads is a bit sus when that argument was there all along.

i forgot i think this makes SS!scum less likely

[furtiveglance]

I think at least one of Ircher/SS if not both are scum. The timing of this slip argument right as SS gets pushed for reads is a bit sus when that argument was there all along.

i forgot i think this makes SS!scum less likely

That's a GP

[Dannflor]

I think the more I read of Titus the less I think SS ever makes sense as scum here

I forget why I ever really stopped scum reading this VOTE: Klick

what does it accomplish to claim you targeted Ausuka + Lukewarm?

[mastina]

I really don't see why jjh is town mastina I kind of assumed that read was because you saw town utility in jjh still being alive because you think he's strong

jjh is town basically because of him having not once furthered the scum wincon in any way shape or form, while doing work to further the town wincon. A scum jjh would do work to further the town wincon still, yes, but would by necessity need to have some form of furthering the scum wincon--which is utterly absent.

jjh has no condemning interactions with scum, nor do scum have condemning interactions with him.

His interactions loosely point to town, and his mechwork makes me still think town.

[mastina]

Alternatively, they’re executing VTs so that they can have the average be lower than 75% and get an additional NK. Actually, that’s probably why.

how would they know Lukewarm was a VT

Probably an educated guess?

To be fair, the VT/PR divide in this game is quite obvious. There's players I won't believe if they claim PRs; there's players I won't believe if they claim VTs; the scum would have to be utter morons to not be able to tell which are which.

Dannflor saying that he thought mastina was wrong town being sheeped by mafia, then sheeping mastina almost instantly...

This adds weight to my furtive scumread.

At the time Dannflor said 1999 I was scumreading and voting Roden; I was scumreading Lukewarm; I was townreading Titus; I was hard-defending Titus from the wagon.

Roden was town; Lukewarm was town; Titus was scum.

Dannflor was right in 1999--but my reads have since changed.

This is a scum discredit, not a genuine town thought process.

[Malakittens]

SS is prob town.

[mastina]

Something_Smart (tbh I want Something_Smart to claim because by play he fits as scum)

so what changed here
i feel like you've been very adamant about town!S_S this game

I was defending Something_Smart on the basis of believing him to be a town power role. No other reason.

By play, he looked like he was scum, so I wanted to have him claim his PR, to evaluate his claim for certain things that would help me determine town/scum.

However, that was rendered unnecessary by a look at his iso and the iso of the dead scum--Something_Smart is never scum here with Ircher and Titus. If you did the iso work I did, then you'd see why.

[mastina]

I don't really like your knee-jerk reaction to this but I feel like I don't have enough distance to tell whether it's actually AI or not

It is; it's incredibly scum.

[mastina]

If you agree so much, and you clearly do, can you give one point against me apart from not voting Titus?

It wasn't just not voting Titus.

It was the read progression on

both

Titus AND Ircher.

It was your stances, especially in the frame of reference of the time period.

It is also THEIR interactions with YOU.

(Plus, PoE. Dannflor isn't scum since you need only look at his entrance and how he was the second-biggest pusher of Titus outside of Lukewarm from the getgo. Dannflor came in and instantly, he was pushing Titus. When there was a scum elimination D1. He tried to dissuade the town from eliminating town and pushed hard on Titus. If that were a read that he didn't try to push through that'd be one thing but he was actually trying quote hard. But someone has to be scum and there's precious few players who can be.)

[mastina]

Preferred votes today are Dannflor and S_S.

AKA the two players hardest cleared by actually reading the isos of the dead scum and reading the isos of the players in question in regards to the dead scum?

No, really.

If you scumread Dannflor and/or Something_Smart, iso Titus;
Iso ircher;
Iso Dannflor / Something_Smart;
Check what their interactions tell you.

[mastina]

I wanted to say also that I think Mastina is stretching the town consensus out of shape in a bad way, and hurting town by being such a high poster. I know that's not easy to hear, and it's probably not obvious why I'm townreading Mastina in that case but I am, not just because of the claim (which I actually think is fake but still town).

So I mentioned the damning Titus part but this is also hypocritical. furtiveglance literally mentioned

just

in 2772 that Dannflor had said, basically: "mastina, I think you are town, hurting the town".
And in this post, furtive is saying, "mastina, I think you are town, hurting the town".

Beyond that, there's the fact that Dannflor's was constructive, reaching out to me--furtiveglance's is destructive, explicitly being a discredit.

[mastina]

not just because of the claim (which I actually think is fake but still town).

As a reminder, still not here until like 12 hours from now minimum, but this, I GOTTA comment on right now.

You know why?

I don't necessarily trust the claim but I don't feel comfortable stating what I think mastina is doing.
~Titus

I'm actually quite certain that Titus in that game at one point used furtive's almost

exact

wording. (The iso is 6 pages long and ridiculously hard to search, so I can't find it. It could've been after I was dead or before, hard to find.) Where she said, effectively:
"I think mastina is town, but lying about her claim".

And furtive, in almost the exact wording I remember Titus using, goes "I think mastina is town, but lying about her claim".

I don't believe the similarity is coincidental.

And Titus was scum that game?
So you're saying, either:
I read my scumbuddy's past scumgames to get some tips on how to act in exactly the same way as them so we all look the same as a scumteam

or:
Mafia always interact with me scumreading them in the same way e.g. "unlucky, wrong but town!"
Neither of these points are good.

How fortunate that neither was what I was getting at!

My point is that Titus was scum

this

game.
Titus, as scum in THIS game, has a scum PT to talk to her scumbuddies in.
Titus, as scum in THIS game, would be able to convey her thoughts on me to her scumbuddies.
Titus, as scum in THIS game, would also give play advice before going down--she would give advice to her scumbuddies and try to set them up with a path to victory.

You should have zero familiarity with Multiball 2.
So you should have zero similarity in treating me the way Titus treated me in Multiball 2.

Ergo:

furtiveglance treating me the same way Titus treated me in Multiball 2 indicates that he was part of the scum PT with Titus

.

It's a scumslip.

[Malakittens]

Oof

Mastina with the BARK

WHERES THE BITE

[PenguinPower]

I’m sorry - someone explain to me again why mala is town?

[Ydrasse]

just is

[Andresvmb]

Okay I have been a bit overwhelmed at work. So apologies for that.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Uncrowned