Datisi's Café [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 4.06

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 4 ends in (expired on 2022-10-14 01:15:00).

firing

furtiveglance [3]:

mastina, PenguinPower, Ydrasse

Malakittens [2]:

fireisredsir, furtiveglance

Uncrowned [1]:

Andresvmb

Andresvmb [1]:

Dannflor

fireisredsir [1]:

Malakittens

Something_Smart [1]:

Uncrowned

not voting [3]:

Klick, Something_Smart, jjh927

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[Uncrowned]

Yeah I'm with Fire and Furtive on this one. Let's see if Mala can get some votes

VOTE: Malakittens

[Uncrowned]

i don't really get this

scumcrowned never needs to vote take vote off ircher i don't think there's a world after what transpired that ircher wasn't the d1 elim

unless you really believe i had enough influence to get roden miselimmed over ircher d1 and still think that ircher would be let off the hook and survive for more days after that

seems a bit contrived to me but that's all wine so do with it what you will

mr andre are you going to engage with me or am i scumbinned

i'm not sure you actually believe my vote switching is scum motivated

if you actually factor in gamestate at the time, i don't think anyone outside of mastina was interested in a roden D1 elim (and even then she was more stuck on Ircher so?)

again the question: do i have enough d1 influence to get quite literally almost everyone in the game (bc keep in mind, even slots who weren't on ircher at the time where all saying "yeah i'd be down to elim Ircher" - fire jumps out as an example of this but there were definitely others in the same boat) to abort the Ircher wagon which was pretty much guaranteed to go through

fmpov, scumcrowned has two options given d1 gamestate

1: float on the wagon and get *some* towncred (probably wouldn't be a lot)

or

2: switch vote onto someone else and actually case them to try and swing the wagon (probably not beneficial, ircher most likely gets elimmed D2 anyway even if I am successful)

again, find it hard to believe you actually think the switching of votes is scum motivated unless you just think "oh yeah this guy sucks at scum" and would switch vote just to not actually really hard push the guy i've switched to

[Ydrasse]

is this mala’s mafia meta

like what’s the endgame goal here for her team ig

[furtiveglance]

is this mala’s mafia meta

like what’s the endgame goal here for her team ig

If the team is Ircher/Titus/Mala +1, the endgame goal probably died on D3 with Titus. Mala appears to be just chilling hoping no one votes them.

[Malakittens]

sure ok

VOTE: mala

i kinda liked andres on this page a little better

Flail harder bro

sure ok

VOTE: mala

i kinda liked andres on this page a little better

Flail harder bro

do you actually think im scum

all you said when you voted me was "what are we doing? voting fire?"

that doesn't really make it sound like this is a real opinion you hold

Busy will be here.

Work am.

What are we doing? Voting fires?

VOTE: firez

Yeah I'm with Fire on this one. Let's see if Mala can get some votes

VOTE: Malakittens

[Ydrasse]

i feel like the day has stagnated and we should probably consolidate now so it doesn’t get bogged down with apathy

[Ydrasse]

inherently i don’t think mala is a wolf but i don’t have strong evidence against it either

i still believe fire or furtive could be good votes as well. i will hear out any other options

[Datisi]

replacing Klick. if he posts before i find someone, he can stay.

[PenguinPower]

i feel like the day has stagnated and we should probably consolidate now so it doesn’t get bogged down with apathy

People should hop off their vanity wagons then.

Yell directly at them with as much sarcasm as you can muster.

[Klick]

Hello hi I'm here sorry please don't replace me

Just starting to get better today after being sick
Also admittedly feeling apathy about this game specifically; I think I'm on the wrong track currently and I don't like being wrong, it makes me feel lost

[Klick]

As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.

Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?

Ircher hasn't been on since this. It totally assumes 17/4 whereas I assumed 16/5 like other large games I've seen.

As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.

Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?

Ircher hasn't been on since this. It totally assumes 17/4 whereas I assumed 16/5 like other large games I've seen.

Ok....does the setup state how many scum and I missed it?

No, the setup states we don't know. The point is Ircher could be doing a sus TMI scum slip!

We shouldn't fire Ydrasse, I think they're an Employee. I'll vote Ircher for now but I might unvote if they come on and explain why they thought 17/4.

VOTE: Ircher

Uncrowned I voted someone.

I don't buy this progression as a scum progression.

[Klick]

I think Titus is town.

This post exists too right in the middle there

[Klick]

I buy his progression on the Titus slot as well

[Klick]

I’m ok with yeeting Titus.
There will never be a day where I’m never not yeetong Titus

VOTE: titus

i got u lukewarm bby

zzzzzzzzzzoooooooooooooooooooom
byeeeeeeeeeee titus
you scumrat

<3

So what exactly is Mala!scum *doing* if anyone could explain that that'd be great

[Klick]

i mean now we play the game

what's more likely

mr. ircher just guessed the ratio or he's a very informed doggo

I guess I can see this as gently suggesting the possibility that Ircher's town without pushing it?

[fireisredsir]

So what exactly is Mala!scum *doing* if anyone could explain that that'd be great

hoping people buy into this, probably

i mean i don't really see any evidence of her solving that you mentioned earlier so idk what makes her town. it doesn't feel like her posts have any real town thought behind them

[Uncrowned]

i mean now we play the game

what's more likely

mr. ircher just guessed the ratio or he's a very informed doggo

I guess I can see this as gently suggesting the possibility that Ircher's town without pushing it?

the opposite actually sir

[Uncrowned]

furtive does deserve to die tho for betraying me ngl now that I think about it

[mastina]

Btw I need to take another

24-48 hour V/LA

I know, I know, no content until like Wednesday in spite of none for half a week. But I need the time for resting and a mental reset.

I wanna say this though:
I realize that most of the slots in the game have good reasons to be town.
I realize that most of the slots have at least some reason to be scum.

But

someone

has to be scum,
And most of the players are going to be town.

The scum are going to have things that can, or do, look town;
The town are going to have things that, thanks to their imperfect knowledge, in hindsight look like scum.

So it's mostly about weighing the probabilities of these events.
A few notable ones: {Ydrasse, Dannflor, Something_Smart} are the three players hardest cleared imo off of the scum flips. I'm never budging on these reads.

{Andres, Uncrowned} are the next tier in acting a way that I feel scum would not, but are not as hard-cleared as the above. I'm not supporting pushes on them until we get to like 5p and maybe not even then.

{PenguinPower, jjh} are the next tier in both not having any hard-clearing aspect but individually looking town and having solid contributions that demonstrate a thought process I feel to be town. I'm not supporting any push on them today, but I admit they require re-evaluation at a future date.

{Klick, Malakittens} are below that in neither having anything looking good for them in terms of interactions, but both vaguely looking town by play, just not as strong as the above. I'd prefer not to elim them tho.

{furtiveglance, fireisredsir} are the bottom tier for me simply because their reasons for being town look weakest to me and they have more reason to be scum than anyone else. Yes, they have things looking town. But most of what makes them town, are things that I don't think are actually indicative of being town. I recognize that I could be wrong, because I

see

the town--I just feel strongly in my gut that the things looking town, are not actually town.

[jjh927]

I’m ok with yeeting Titus.
There will never be a day where I’m never not yeetong Titus

VOTE: titus

i got u lukewarm bby

zzzzzzzzzzoooooooooooooooooooom
byeeeeeeeeeee titus
you scumrat

<3

So what exactly is Mala!scum *doing* if anyone could explain that that'd be great

Surviving

[Klick]

And she expects this to get her to endgame because

[jjh927]

I don't think scum have to have some master plan where they decide who is going to endgame. I also don't think players who aren't good at scum just immediately give up when they roll scum.

As a reminder we've limmed scum 2/3 days, so if scum have a master plan it probably sucks or relies on a single good scum player surviving (which is not a plan)

[jjh927]

How come when you were quoting mala posts you missed out these gems

Andre is prob town.

VOTE: Mastina

Back to bed for ma

:/ Uh what? Why?

The vibe I got here if Titus flips scum I have a feeling one of these is her partner.

I'll explain it later if I can, but it's a vibe check, AND I'M ALL THERE FOR IT OK

towntold

HA

SORRY TITUS

I'M MORE OBVTOWN THAN U

GET OVER IT

[Ydrasse]

i guess i would just be baffled if mala made 333 as mafia lol