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[Aisa]

Ah, fair enough. I think I've done before that as both alignments - bigger fights to fight than correcting a true read based on a false premise - but wouldn't blame you for thinking that's scummy and I should probably have corrected it.

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Elements

[Aisa]

Hahaha. Dat ^, folks, is how you do commitment!!

Now, my reads are not particularly good, so you might wanna not sheep me eventually. We'll still get along, I promise

[Eiralox]

why even are ya'll on Asia? Solway Firth is a sagacious wagon, like they havent even posted yet. Element coming in putting Asia under some line, and fire being like..... ultra focused on finding 'the bunny'......

while Asia has felt pretty much wholly green to me after a few one-liners exchanged.

this whole frogster/fire thing is cluttering up this early imo, it all seemed mostly to be i nterpersonal meta and as eira dont meta eira dont read.... much at least. I mean of the two i'd say i'd ay i feel worse on fire..... pretty much for abhorrent mood page 1. then again fire adores n_m so there's hope i gues >.>

SO meh today is a lazy day for me imma play monster train and endless legend. I think my vote's in a pretty good spot tbh........ firth's gotta pitch at least, and enchant. I'll trust Asia for now, no strong feelings on others buuut maybe..... Grib doees feel a bit more green than the mass? Like viewing things with an open yet uninformed mind. So yeah like way later gators

This post is bad.

You feel strongly enough that Aisa is town that you're willing to go and bat for them? Can you talk about why Aisa is this shining beacon of towniness?

Element wasn't 'ultra focused' on finding the bunny. Fire was. Fire's page 1 was very, very town and I would be extremely surprised if that came from scum. Like, why does abhorrent mood = scum?

PEdit - OK, if you were joking, why did you not pick up Frog for townreading you with the reasoning that you were sorting players?

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i mean I don't know who made you the grand arbiter of post rating, like is that some sorta accolade comes with a crown? and joking? about what? Fire liking NM? And when did frogster TR me for sorting..... i didn't really sort jack skwat thus far, only got my Asia feel, said i feel greenish on grib, and then later the iffy vibes i got from bella and elements, which isn't much tbh, i think bella is a ghost so meh and elements.... tbh hard to read for me atm.

And then you go on to say i said Elements i chasing the bunny?> after I said, in the post you kwouted, that Fire said that?
And fire did say that, and by that allusion i meant fire's numerous callouts and early focus on Asia.... which pinged me tbh, this early it's just weird, some actions perk me up like a gopher out a hole and that's one of 'em. I mentioned elements having Asia beneath the line, which again, pinged me cos what did Asia do that's scummy when elements posted that list?

So i mean i don't mind if u think my post is bad, whatever, i wasn't amalgamated to impress u, Asia feels town and that's that. This early I like to trust my gut, so i'm a happy sheep >.>

[Eiralox]

Hahaha. Dat ^, folks, is how you do commitment!!

Now, my reads are not particularly good, so you might wanna not sheep me eventually. We'll still get along, I promise

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[Eiralox]

why even are ya'll on Asia? Solway Firth is a sagacious wagon, like they havent even posted yet. Element coming in putting Asia under some line, and fire being like..... ultra focused on finding 'the bunny'......

while Asia has felt pretty much wholly green to me after a few one-liners exchanged.

this whole frogster/fire thing is cluttering up this early imo, it all seemed mostly to be i nterpersonal meta and as eira dont meta eira dont read.... much at least. I mean of the two i'd say i'd ay i feel worse on fire..... pretty much for abhorrent mood page 1. then again fire adores n_m so there's hope i gues >.>

SO meh today is a lazy day for me imma play monster train and endless legend. I think my vote's in a pretty good spot tbh........ firth's gotta pitch at least, and enchant. I'll trust Asia for now, no strong feelings on others buuut maybe..... Grib doees feel a bit more green than the mass? Like viewing things with an open yet uninformed mind. So yeah like way later gators

This post is bad.

You feel strongly enough that Aisa is town that you're willing to go and bat for them? Can you talk about why Aisa is this shining beacon of towniness?

Element wasn't 'ultra focused' on finding the bunny. Fire was. Fire's page 1 was very, very town and I would be extremely surprised if that came from scum. Like, why does abhorrent mood = scum?

PEdit - OK, if you were joking, why did you not pick up Frog for townreading you with the reasoning that you were sorting players?

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i mean I don't know who made you the grand arbiter of post rating, like is that some sorta accolade comes with a crown? and joking? about what? Fire liking NM? And when did frogster TR me for sorting..... i didn't really sort jack skwat thus far, only got my Asia feel, said i feel greenish on grib, and then later the iffy vibes i got from bella and elements, which isn't much tbh, i think bella is a ghost so meh and elements.... tbh hard to read for me atm.

And then you go on to say i said Elements i chasing the bunny?> after I said, in the post you kwouted, that Fire said that?
And fire did say that, and by that allusion i meant fire's numerous callouts and early focus on Asia.... which pinged me tbh, this early it's just weird, some actions perk me up like a gopher out a hole and that's one of 'em. I mentioned elements having Asia beneath the line, which again, pinged me cos what did Asia do that's scummy when elements posted that list?

So i mean i don't mind if u think my post is bad, whatever, i wasn't amalgamated to impress u, Asia feels town and that's that. This early I like to trust my gut, so i'm a happy sheep >.>

so i'm not sure what i'm missing here.... this is a defense iof elements against something that I never, said, a reading error you made? why so keen to defend elements against phantoms?

[Bellaphant]

Ah, fair enough. I think I've done before that as both alignments - bigger fights to fight than correcting a true read based on a false premise - but wouldn't blame you for thinking that's scummy and I should probably have corrected it.

@bbt, I find frog to be charismatic without being patronising, plus I can generally follow their thoughts when town: we've played together a fair bit recently, although I actually don't think they've been scum (they might have been scum once, I'm tired). Elemis, I basically haven't liked any posts at all, their reads were weird and justifying their read on me, when I think I'd posted like twice and one was a likert scale, they weren't able to do, just shrug. Like, even saying 'vibes' would've not bothered me as much.

Also, I do think aisa is town. Although @aisa, can I have a link to a scum game?

[Bellaphant]

I don't know why that quoted.

VOTE: elements

I honestly thought he was called elemis, isn't that weird.

[Aisa]

[...] @aisa, can I have a link to a scum game?

It's hot off the press!
Public thread: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=89811
PT: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=89813

[Firebringer]

Kind of feel eiralax is town for being pocketed by the bunny so easily

[Firebringer]

I did register that Frog's interpretation was incorrect, but townies get stuff wrong all the time, no? If anything it made me want to TR him because it seemed like the kind of slightly odd reasoning that townies sometimes have.

I've since done a quick Frog meta check and I agree they are more LAMISTy than their completed town game I checked, and I think that's concerning. Also from their scum game I clearly haven't given them enough credit and they are capable of looking like they're doing things. PLUS now that I reread Grib's post and Frog's ISO I agree the amount of posts he has without a logical process seemingly backing them is also worrying, so, yeah, back in the nullbin.

Frog scum game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88987
Frog town game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89682

I should note I haven't done any in-depth study or anything, I just looked at the amount of words and vaguely skimmed a few posts from each game.

fully expected u to double down in this read.

u know surprised u didn't take the game from frog where they are trying to illustrate their scum game which idk - at first glance at least post count is very different from this game you linked. I am too lazy to do meta dives.

I think frog explicitly linked a poor game to be like "look i suck too much to be scum here" maybe it was to win some argument of "how i should know he is town" which is like what.

The more i think about it the more i want to do a dive. Not gonna happen until some weekend tho

[Thestatusquo]

I meant, what peopel have to say about it when I lay out the reasons. But you're right, I don't think I'm going to get much out of waiting.

The problems I have with that vote are

1) it was waaay too early to accuse Firebringer of not wanting to have reads.
2) it was also too early to accuse scum of not wanting to fill out your survey - barely half the game had posted at that time.
3) you didn't explain why scum would or would not interact with your quiz.
4) I purposefully ignored your quiz to see what you would do about it, and you didn't react at all, which makes me think that 2 was complete bull.
5) you townreading me right after that felt appease-y.

this is a scum post. poking at things that are surface level and look weird but at their core don't have any particular reason why scum would do them rather than town.

I think the whole song and dance that grib did wrt me and frogster falls into the same category of just performative nonsense.

I don't think you think any of this actually helps you find scum.

VOTE: grib

Realistic attempts to sorts don't look like this, generally, this is what scum posts when they want to look involved in the thread but don't have anything real to push on.

[Thestatusquo]

5) you townreading me right after that felt appease-y.

this is how i felt about my interactions with frog in the last 2 pages after i said he was scum and he changed it to town then said i have a good read of what he is doing.

now im just confused when half o what i said was like "ur trying to appear town and i don't know why" but i think he was going for "trying to create conversation out of nothing" agreeing with the latter but ignoring the former and was just trying to find common ground.

Im sitting her going ok. Why does it feel like ur buddying me and grib here.m.

I don't want to focus too much on frog though i think this thread could be exploding in too much posts if we just do this back and forth.

Frog doesn't make complete sense but im like less on scum lean than i was before. Still weak scum right now.

Literally, if it hadn't been for that vote, I think I would be townreading him here. There's too many red flags for me to give him the BOTD, but the phase is young.

too many red flags? Come on man. There's nothing here and you know it. This waffle bullshit too refusing to actually take strong stances where either way you can be right.

[Firebringer]

I think the combination of low-effort post + Eira still throws out two or three reads is more consistent with town that scum. Town has nothing to lose by saying "I think X, Y, Z look green". I think it's a scary thing for scum to come into the game and take position so decisively.

don't think it wasn't such a decisive stance it couldn't be moved easily without anyone even bothering questioning it. So no, disagree.

[Thestatusquo]

Alright I've read up. All of you need to re-think your grib townleans. It's the most obvious fluff posting nothing burger that he presents as if its some sort of deep scum case.

And then waffles on while saying hed probably be town leaning.

My brother in christ it was page 6.

[Firebringer]

grib has yet to display anything as a deep scum case. And no, not reconsidering it Shea. You worry me more with this case than Grib does.

[Thestatusquo]

I don't care.

[Thestatusquo]

Enchant isn't doing anything they're probably scum.

[Thestatusquo]

Scum team is like grib enchant frogsterking or something.

[Firebringer]

im chill voting frogster

[Frogsterking]

+1 Elements take on Grib's case on me

@bbt

Good questions. I'll get back to you l8r bby

I've since done a quick Frog meta check and I agree they are more LAMISTy than their completed town game I checked, and I think that's concerning

See below

is Frog admitting he is trying to look town or is he saying he is trying to generate conversation? Frog?

Generate information. That game you looked at I replaced into a widely townread slot on D4 IIRC which is a terrible point of comparison. Not only did I replace into a widely townread slot, I replaced into Fire's widely townread slot, so I imagine Fire was referring to that same game earlier when he said he read a game of mine.

PEdit

Shea and Fire scared

[Grib]

Eh, yeah, that's about what I expected from Shea. There's always at least one player every single game who dislikes either me or my playstyle and then finds a way to scumread me for it.

Probably just going to ignore and play around that slot, to be honest, because if he's a villager there's like 0% chance he ever extends an olive branch.

[Grib]

If there's anything in there that somebody wants me to address, I'm happy to answer. Otherwise, meh.

[Thestatusquo]

im chill voting frogster

why not enchant

[Thestatusquo]

Eh, yeah, that's about what I expected from Shea. There's always at least one player every single game who dislikes either me or my playstyle and then finds a way to scumread me for it.

Probably just going to ignore and play around that slot, to be honest, because if he's a villager there's like 0% chance he ever extends an olive branch.

No need to extend an olive branch if you do townie things. Explain how any of the things you mentioned are more likely to come from scum frogster than town frogster, please. The "I guess I just need to play around the slot" ain't a townie response to one bit of pressure even a little bit.