FoolIn post 548, Frogsterking wrote:I'm shamelessly and fearlessly abusing metaIn post 546, Aisa wrote:Why do you think Enchant is Town, Frogster?
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I'd also be interested in Solway's readslist. It doesn't have to be long or thought-out, it doesn't even have to include everyone, it can literally just be a list of gutreads.
What is this meta?In post 548, Frogsterking wrote:
I'm shamelessly and fearlessly abusing metaIn post 546, Aisa wrote:Why do you think Enchant is Town, Frogster?- Eiralox
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I do not feel confident about reading frogster rn.In post 537, Firebringer wrote:
What do you even envision frogster scum to look like tbh cause i don't townread him, i think i made that clear but im struggling with what scum frogster looks like.In post 524, Thestatusquo wrote:
This post doesnt really fit into my idea of what town frogster looks like.In post 500, Frogsterking wrote:Herpa derp *towns about*
Cause theres points here where i go why does frogster scum do X. Seems antithetical to trying to convince people he town. Yet he wants townreads.
Ive been going back and forth lately on thisMy memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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How about everyone votes BBT instead.
We have a bunch of people who seem not willing to wagon at all.My memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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I find this to be a pretty weird way of approaching the game. In one post you're like we need to wagon someone, which is generally true, then when I say ok, lets wagon here, you're like well I am willing to consider that but that's not generally how day 1 wagons work, they start with the smallest thing and then that leads to pressure that then in turn leads to action.In post 559, Aisa wrote:BBT I'm willing to consider, though I'd probably want to do a reread and maybe find a case that is not your existing case. But I suppose doing all that is my problem, not yours.
So it's like...I don't really understand your need for an airtight case to wagon someone and I'm having an even harder time squaring that with your stated desire to "find a consensus wagon" because like, homie, how do you think mafia works on day 1? We dont just all sing kumbaya and then hold hands and decide all together on one true scum candidate.My memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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*willing to consider that but I don't really have enough information
My brain went faster than my typing.My memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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I also don't think anyone has really dealt with my argument that BBTs response specifically ignoring the important parts and focusing on the hook they can use to make me look discredited represents a scum arguing mindset and not a town one. All the responses have focused on saying that BBT would continue to respond to me like they did after I attacked them (which I don't agree with either, but w/e) but ignore the fact that my point starts before that.My memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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I am leaving frogster for now. I think they're a pretty easy d1 target for scum and I don't feel super confident there at the moment and I think the slot is going to resolve itself in the long run.My memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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i def responded to ur argumentIn post 564, Thestatusquo wrote:I also don't think anyone has really dealt with my argument that BBTs response specifically ignoring the important parts and focusing on the hook they can use to make me look discredited represents a scum arguing mindset and not a town one. All the responses have focused on saying that BBT would continue to respond to me like they did after I attacked them (which I don't agree with either, but w/e) but ignore the fact that my point starts before that.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown- Firebringer
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why even ask for compromise wagon if u need to have a case or scumread.In post 559, Aisa wrote:BBT I'm willing to consider, though I'd probably want to do a reread and maybe find a case that is not your existing case. But I suppose doing all that is my problem, not yours.
And didn't u say BBT posting was bad awhile back.
I specifically thought u distanced urself from him or was that frogster.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown- Thestatusquo
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Nah, you said
Which is not what my argument was. That was the cause of the discussion and questions that led to my argument, but it wasn't the reasoning behind why it was scummy, which was this:ohh yeah and shea push on BBT is a nothing burger. I read it. Not impressed could go over point by point if anyone interested but mostly it amounts to pushing BBT for saying things that serve no purpose for alignment hunting (dismissing and poisoning well) - which i don't read that into the posts
like just this part
I didn't respond to you at the time because you claim to have read the exchange and didn't even end up with an accurate understanding of my argument, which I thought I was pretty clear about.In post 360, Thestatusquo wrote:
So this is fun, because what I'm doing here is a reaction test called "deliberately weak argument."In post 355, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I didn't even use the buzzword of 'overdefensive' that you keep referencing. I said 'Defensive much'. This isn't even a big thing and is certainly not the bulk of what was my response to Eira so why are you focusing on that?
Which is where I make a post with a bunch of interaction points in it and one of them is "deliberately weak." I.e. a point thats easily refuted and responded to whereas the others require actual work or analysis.
The reason it is effective is a psychological difference in how town and scum tend to argue, where scum are generally arguing to win an argument and town are generally arguing to discern alignment. Town is very interested in engaging with the actual meat of a post and discussing where the differences lie whereas scum tend to be more interested in discerning alignment.
This is one of the more blatant fails of the deliberately weak argument test that I've ever seen. Obviously you didnt say over defensive, but I fail to see how that is relevant to the questions I asked you which you completely ignored in order to ridicule me for using the wrong turn of phrase.
anyway VOTE: BBT
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In post 354, Thestatusquo wrote:Ok, can you answer me this then. If you're not saying that its alignment indicative, what is your point in pointing it out using a buzz word like "overdefensive" which is frequently associated with scumminess? If you're not saying its scummy it seems an awful lot like well poisoning to me.
What are you trying to accomplish in your questions with Eirolox? Because it seems to me a lot like you're grandstanding with no particular purpose towards discerning alignment.
The discussion which you're responding to is a followup to this interaction. This interaction followed by the post I'm just quoting is why I think BBT is scum, the discussion of my actual questions, when they actually got around to answering them, which is what you're talking about here, and my interpretation of that discussion is independent of this original point.In post 355, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I didn't even use the buzzword of 'overdefensive' that you keep referencing. I said 'Defensive much'. This isn't even a big thing and is certainly not the bulk of what was my response to Eira so why are you focusing on that?My memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
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Town addresses my questions. Town doesn't spend their whole post harping on whether they said "defensive much" or "over defensive" while ignoring the rest of the post.
It's not 100% because scum tells never are but I think its more than enough for a day 1 wagon.My memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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That's a very good explanation of why you're confused.
If we were 1 hour from the deadline I would be willing to wagon, hammer, double-hammer, triple-nuke-hammer anyone including myself. If we were 2 days from the deadline I'd look at like, the top two wagons and pick my favourite. We're 4 days from the deadline which means that realistically we're actually not in *that* much danger, but I wanted to start ramping up the rhetoric around finding a consensus because hopefully, by the time we are at the deadline, we will actually have a decent elimination rather than whatever poor soul we felt like panic-flash-wagoning at the time.
There's also the fact that your pick just happened to be unfortunate because I'd feel bad about voting BBT *right now* specifically because, aside from your case, which I've been over, I couldn't tell you something I find scummy about him, I just find him hard to read and would be scared of townreading him without a lot of evidence. But also maybe I'm still being unfair because if you poke around you'll find that I have more townreads-I'm-not-willing-to-wagon than average this game.
But also, uh, you're right, maybe I'm being a bit too conservative. I don't know if this does anything since maybe I have killed any pretense of pressure with this post and my previous one, but have this as a show of good faith:
VOTE: BBT
I guess BBT said he'll be looking at the game soon, so let's say that I will commit to seeing what he comes up with and decide whether to leave my vote here or not based on what he says ^^
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Aisa do you have a town and scum game of yours I could read?My memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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