take out BBT and I agree with this right nowIn post 590, Solway Firth wrote:Lean scum: HPE, BBT, Aisa
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"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown- Firebringer
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Eira/Frogster are my last scum right now.
Not really sus of anyone else.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown- Thestatusquo
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Do you not see a fundamental difference in how we're arguing with each other right now and how BBT engaged with my post 360?
Like I think the fundamental disconnect here is you seem to be treating the engagement between me and BBT as if we had been engaged for a long time and that BBT and I had been attcking them and they were just sick of arguing with me or whatever, but that's not what happened. That was their initial engagement with me. I think that's relatively important because while I agree that town can sometimes get to a point where they're just sick of engaging with someone or on a point my assumption is that they usually go into an engagement attempting to actually answer the person who is talking to them rather than immediately going to discredit them based off of the very smallest amount of shade.My memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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Sorry 360 is the post where i talk about it not the post I meant to reference which was my initial engagement post.My memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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Also, go sleep bro.My memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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Cool, who am I voting?In post 624, Firebringer wrote:
Sheep me buddy, you owe me for voting me that one time when u were scum.In post 610, Not_Mafia wrote:Someone quote a post they want me to respond to
Now im calling in the u owe me cardAlso, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.I will SEARCH for games with you and N_M to help you policy him.I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.- Not_Mafia
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Well Solway Firth is wrongIn post 619, Elements wrote:In post 610, Not_Mafia wrote:Someone quote a post they want me to respond toIn post 611, Solway Firth wrote:NM is my biggest scum readAlso, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.I will SEARCH for games with you and N_M to help you policy him.I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.- Not_Mafia
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Well Solway Firth is wrongIn post 619, Elements wrote:In post 610, Not_Mafia wrote:Someone quote a post they want me to respond toIn post 611, Solway Firth wrote:NM is my biggest scum readAlso, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.I will SEARCH for games with you and N_M to help you policy him.I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.- Not_Mafia
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Maybe I'm just playing at a level that you don't comprehendIn post 620, Thestatusquo wrote:btw I'm still not quite sure why N_M is allowed to play mafia given that every time I've been in a game with him he does not in fact in any way play mafia.Also, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.I will SEARCH for games with you and N_M to help you policy him.I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.- Thestatusquo
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I agree that I don't comprehend it.My memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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I could get behind this.In post 523, Grib wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: HPE
Just skimming, but 517 is a take I agree with, which I touched lightly on in an earlier post.
I haven’t posted a list yet because I’d probably waffle too much. I’ll post one when I can sit down and take in the thread as a whole.
DBD player? We're gonna have to talk post-game!In post 529, Grib wrote:Actually, I changed my mind. I’ll be V/LA for the weekend. Got a lot of plans, but also I want to obsess over the Dead by Daylight event.
Will probably do my reread Sunday or Monday.
TSQ, if you could at least help me understand the HPE townread? Or point to where you talked about it, if you did.
BBT's answers to Shea are focused on what was a very poor initial reason for pushing me. As soon as I read that, I didn't bother reading anything else in the post because the first part was so bad.In post 551, Solway Firth wrote:Reading through the BBT/Shea fight, BBT’s reaction to Shea seems very avoidant of the actual questions Shea’s asking him. I also like the way Shea presents the case, his tone gives off legitimate charisma and annoyance meanwhile BBT comes off as more forced.
Why would I bother to engage further when the premise of the post is so far off-base?
My town read on Bella comes from playing with Bella an awful lot. She was to the point with early reads and I think this is much more likely to come from town!Bella.In post 560, Solway Firth wrote:I don’t understand BBT strong townread on Bella. Bella’s ISO is some posts complaining about the game state and a bit fairly good content. I don’t see anything that jumps out as a shining beacon of towniness, Bella’s tone seems neither towny nor scummy and her analysis isn’t very deep.
Town get annoyed at people making bad pushes. Town get annoyed when people twist what they say or misrep it completely, too.In post 571, Thestatusquo wrote:Town addresses my questions. Town doesn't spend their whole post harping on whether they said "defensive much" or "over defensive" while ignoring the rest of the post.
It's not 100% because scum tells never are but I think its more than enough for a day 1 wagon.
You can take your vote off now, thanks.In post 572, Aisa wrote: But also, uh, you're right, maybe I'm being a bit too conservative. I don't know if this does anything since maybe I have killed any pretense of pressure with this post and my previous one, but have this as a show of good faith:
VOTE: BBT
I guess BBT said he'll be looking at the game soon, so let's say that I will commit to seeing what he comes up with and decide whether to leave my vote here or not based on what he says ^^
P-edit: oh dear you guys are prolific
This is a bad vote.In post 595, Frogsterking wrote:VOTE: solway
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This is disingenuous. You made the post that didn't answer the questions before I started pushing you.In post 635, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
BBT's answers to Shea are focused on what was a very poor initial reason for pushing me. As soon as I read that, I didn't bother reading anything else in the post because the first part was so bad.In post 551, Solway Firth wrote:Reading through the BBT/Shea fight, BBT’s reaction to Shea seems very avoidant of the actual questions Shea’s asking him. I also like the way Shea presents the case, his tone gives off legitimate charisma and annoyance meanwhile BBT comes off as more forced.
Why would I bother to engage further when the premise of the post is so far off-base?
And that would be, again, relevant if you had reacted after I started pushing you instead of before. I reaction tested you, and then your reaction to that is why I started pushing you. This is a wild misrepresentation of what happened. Just go back and read. You made a post. I reaction tested you. You failed the reaction test. THEN I started pushing you.Town get annoyed at people making bad pushes. Town get annoyed when people twist what they say or misrep it completely, too.My memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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In post 354, Thestatusquo wrote:Ok, can you answer me this then. If you're not saying that its alignment indicative, what is your point in pointing it out using a buzz word like "overdefensive" which is frequently associated with scumminess? If you're not saying its scummy it seems an awful lot like well poisoning to me.
What are you trying to accomplish in your questions with Eirolox? Because it seems to me a lot like you're grandstanding with no particular purpose towards discerning alignment.
Once again, this is the initial post where I asked you the questions and did the reaction testing. Before that I set it up with this post:
In post 346, Thestatusquo wrote:I hate "overdefensive" as a thing that people say in mafia games.
It's a buzzword that means nothing. Townies defend themselves. Sometimes excessively. Overdefensiveness is not alignment indicative in literally any way.
AndIn post 347, Thestatusquo wrote:Like maybe if you drill down to a meta analysis of how players react to pressure you can find slight differences in SPECIFIC players but I think that even that is frequently better explained by general mood and tone of the person attacking them than alignment and it's almost never part of the analysis, just like its not here.
You're saying that using the term "overdefensive" instead of "defensive much" saying I don't like it and then asking you some questions about what you were trying to accomplish was a push so bad it caused you to ignore everything I said after? Yeah ok duder.In post 350, Thestatusquo wrote:I don't like the dismissive tone in BBTs posts because it seems like its not productive towards doing anything BUT producing defensiveness and certainly not in solving for alignment.My memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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Umm, what?In post 606, Solway Firth wrote:I am fully caught up. My most confident scumread right now is BBT.
Talk about your scum read on me, would you?In post 612, Elements wrote:Don't like that
1. Town can just as easily be focused on winning an argument - it's the whole point of this game.In post 613, Thestatusquo wrote: So the argument can be represented syllogistically like this
1) Scum are more likely to focus on winning the argument than discerning alignment.
2) In a post with multiple points to answer scum will be more likely to focus on the easiest points to dismiss in an attempt to discredit.
3) Town will tend to do the opposite.
4) BBT didn't address the rest of my points at all and focused exclusively on the deliberately weak one
5) Therefore BBT is more likely to be scum.
Which of those points do you disagree with, exaclty?
2. Town will focus on the part of a post that they consider the worst. If the whole premise of the post is off-base, why engage the rest?
3. Not true
4. BBT focused on the point that was flat out false.
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If you think "please explain your reasoning for this because I don't like it and I don't like your tone" is pushing then honestly I question if you've ever played mafia before.My memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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You can say all those things but historically that has not been my experience so I'll trust that over the caught scum saying whatever.In post 639, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Umm, what?In post 606, Solway Firth wrote:I am fully caught up. My most confident scumread right now is BBT.
Talk about your scum read on me, would you?In post 612, Elements wrote:Don't like that
1. Town can just as easily be focused on winning an argument - it's the whole point of this game.In post 613, Thestatusquo wrote: So the argument can be represented syllogistically like this
1) Scum are more likely to focus on winning the argument than discerning alignment.
2) In a post with multiple points to answer scum will be more likely to focus on the easiest points to dismiss in an attempt to discredit.
3) Town will tend to do the opposite.
4) BBT didn't address the rest of my points at all and focused exclusively on the deliberately weak one
5) Therefore BBT is more likely to be scum.
Which of those points do you disagree with, exaclty?
2. Town will focus on the part of a post that they consider the worst. If the whole premise of the post is off-base, why engage the rest?
3. Not true
4. BBT focused on the point that was flat out false.
5. Therefore you can't discern the difference between play-style and AI posting.My memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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If you don't think that not liking a post and not liking someone's tone doesn't equal a scum read then I have to ask if you ever have played Mafia before?In post 641, Thestatusquo wrote:If you think "please explain your reasoning for this because I don't like it and I don't like your tone" is pushing then honestly I question if you've ever played mafia before.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.- Thestatusquo
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Yes, I was suspicious of you. There is a difference between being suspicious of someone and pushing them. There is an even wider difference between that and a push that was so unhinged and aggressive that your only response to it was to shut down and avoid the conversation entirely?
It is simply put laughable to claim that those three posts amounted to such a bad and ferocious push that poor townie you just couldn't bear to respond any longer.
It's literally laughable.My memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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I just don't buy any of your deal. What are your reads? You're voting me still for no reason.My memes are no longer relevant to the youths
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