Datisi's Café [game over!]

[PenguinPower]

Maybe we’re in 16:5 with a traitor that can affect town productivity….idk.

[Klick]

Maybe we’re in 16:5 with a traitor that can affect town productivity….idk.

This makes a lot of sense to me as an answer actually
The flavor would be really good I'd imagine

[Something_Smart]

what did you mean by this S_S

I suspected that mastina thought I was a PR based on my comment about asking Datisi about confirmed VT's. But, she should have known me well enough to not be as confident in that as she seemed to be.

[Something_Smart]

on the math, idk, could scum have a mechanic where they can bank kills or something?

Or just an unrelated extra kill. The multitasking rule is carefully worded to not imply that the productivity mechanic is the only way scum can have extra kills.

[jjh927]

I'm honestly torn as to whether this is worth asking Andres to claim or not

This mystery isn't getting solved otherwise

[Andresvmb]

I was 100% last night. So it’s not influenced by me.

[furtiveglance]

What if Ircher was lying about 4 mafia? Does that make it make sense?

[furtiveglance]

What if Ircher was lying about 4 mafia? Does that make it make sense?

Does it make sense if 1 PR claim is fake? Or is the discrepancy too big?

[jjh927]

No, it makes even less sense if a PR claim is fake

[jjh927]

That makes it go the other way even further

[jjh927]

Any VT claims want to put out that they put in less than 100% yesterday just because they couldn't be fucked to work?

[furtiveglance]

No, it makes even less sense if a PR claim is fake

What makes it make sense then?

[jjh927]

Okay, I think the most logical conclusion is that someone gave an amount lower than -30%. Yeah, a negative number. Because we're literally at a point here where the numbers could only logically have been fudged by one individual, and they can't have been fudged that much without them giving a literal NEGATIVE value for production.

Someone is actively sabotaging our cafe work

[furtiveglance]

Okay, I think the most logical conclusion is that someone gave an amount lower than -30%. Yeah, a negative number. Because we're literally at a point here where the numbers could only logically have been fudged by one individual, and they can't have been fudged that much without them giving a literal NEGATIVE value for production.

Someone is actively sabotaging our cafe work

Are you saying that 5 mafia or a third party still doesn't make it add up?

[Dannflor]

BUM BUM BUM

[jjh927]

Malakittens was informed of something. Could easily be the existence of a traitor who fucks with the numbers like that.

I just checked and Ircher's slip of the numbers came before Mala's first post in thread.

If we're assuming it's a traitor though we should ignore them on the basis that they probably can't act in any other way. Continue treating Andre and anyone else who later gets cleared by PP or Fire as innocent unless we lim the roleblocker and the game doesn't end.

[jjh927]

Okay, I think the most logical conclusion is that someone gave an amount lower than -30%. Yeah, a negative number. Because we're literally at a point here where the numbers could only logically have been fudged by one individual, and they can't have been fudged that much without them giving a literal NEGATIVE value for production.

Someone is actively sabotaging our cafe work

Are you saying that 5 mafia or a third party still doesn't make it add up?

Yes. I am. If we assume 5 regular mafia, so 2 alive that don't count on productivity, AND we make the generous assumption that Ydrasse acted last night (which I personally doubt) then we still average no less than 86%. Without the exception of a role designed specifically to do so, mafia shouldn't have any effect on productivity.

There are three possible scenarios;
1. Multiple town players have lied. I think this is basically impossible
2. Mafia got a second kill for a reason other than productivity. I think this is extremely unlikely.
3. There exists a role that is actively sabotaging production and can give negative values for the average.

[furtiveglance]

Okay, I think the most logical conclusion is that someone gave an amount lower than -30%. Yeah, a negative number. Because we're literally at a point here where the numbers could only logically have been fudged by one individual, and they can't have been fudged that much without them giving a literal NEGATIVE value for production.

Someone is actively sabotaging our cafe work

Are you saying that 5 mafia or a third party still doesn't make it add up?

Yes. I am. If we assume 5 regular mafia, so 2 alive that don't count on productivity, AND we make the generous assumption that Ydrasse acted last night (which I personally doubt) then we still average no less than 86%. Without the exception of a role designed specifically to do so, mafia shouldn't have any effect on productivity.

There are three possible scenarios;
1. Multiple town players have lied. I think this is basically impossible
2. Mafia got a second kill for a reason other than productivity. I think this is extremely unlikely.
3. There exists a role that is actively sabotaging production and can give negative values for the average.

Scenario 3 means there's a second scum, unless the Roleblocker has 2 OP abilities.

[jjh927]

Yep

I'm agreeing with the spec that there could be a traitor

[jjh927]

What else would you call the guy stealing money from the cash register but a traitor in this situation

[furtiveglance]

What else would you call the guy stealing money from the cash register but a traitor in this situation

Depressed employee or something

[Something_Smart]

Asked Datisi some questions. Mafia cannot impact average productivity directly. They can affect individual players' productivity, but the player would be informed if their productivity was messed with.

[jjh927]

Hmm, I got similar answers to similar questions

No clue then as to why there were 2 kills because scum interference in the percentages would have made the most sense

[jjh927]

We officially cannot rule out a 3p existing

[jjh927]

We can rule out a third party interacting with the productivity in any way though

Might just be responsible for the extra kill appearing though