hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

[MathBlade]

BCG should protect NM cuz NM is the stronger TPR

NM can conftown me by himself

No. Scum doc or rb

Mathblade can Voyeur NM or Me to counteract RB/Doctor

That would have to be on you.

Math targeting Pooky wouldn't generate a result in a you blocked world.

If I vote Maria will you vote with me *puppy eyes*

[Titus]

VOTE: Maria

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Maria

In context, how is this a follower crumb?

I'm thinking about your offer. I was trying to find the context where MariaR claims VT and I saw this.

Makes me doubt Pooky was crumbing follower.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like he's got a chance to get a vig to shoot me and get what he's always wanted but instead he's like noooo lets just lim pooky im 100% confident pooky is scum and I don't actually see why he does that

there's no actual reason for him to want me voted out rather than checked with a disloyal vig.

esp after he hard-tunneled me as scum in that dance game that just ended - his read was stupid/wrong and it lost us the game I would think he'd learned by now but instead he has 100% confidence which doesn't make sense when he literally just misread me.

so I think he decided to adopt his town persona from that game and simply do the same thing here as scum - just hard tunnel me nonstop and force as many mislims through.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Maria

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Maria

In context, how is this a follower crumb?

I'm thinking about your offer. I was trying to find the context where MariaR claims VT and I saw this.

Makes me doubt Pooky was crumbing follower.

Toogeloo was following my vote around

I saw an opportunity to crumb my role in a nonobvious way

so I posted a gif of a panda following its keeper

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Maria

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Maria

In context, how is this a follower crumb?

I'm thinking about your offer. I was trying to find the context where MariaR claims VT and I saw this.

Makes me doubt Pooky was crumbing follower.

Pooky is crumbing follower…The panda clings onto the human following them.

Seems straightforward to me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the point of a crumb is that it is HIDDEN

I need to hide a crumb inside context that makes sense if it isnt a crumb

[Titus]

I'll do MariaR if the Pooky wagon disassembles. Both would help me resolve some uncertainties. I feel it's more likely Pooky is scum though.

I feel the NM disloyal vig can be done on anyone.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok why am I scum

[MathBlade]

I'll do MariaR if the Pooky wagon disassembles. Both would help me resolve some uncertainties. I feel it's more likely Pooky is scum though.

I feel the NM disloyal vig can be done on anyone.

It can but I would rather it be done on Pooky since there’s a ton of conflict there.

If I can do BGC + NM + Pooky in one go
And eat a bullet so invests go off

I really feel that’s best.

[Titus]

I'll do MariaR if the Pooky wagon disassembles. Both would help me resolve some uncertainties. I feel it's more likely Pooky is scum though.

I feel the NM disloyal vig can be done on anyone.

It can but I would rather it be done on Pooky since there’s a ton of conflict there.

If I can do BGC + NM + Pooky in one go
And eat a bullet so invests go off

I really feel that’s best.

We need an elimination and coordinating another that's acceptable is very difficult in this environment. I don't feel Pooky is lock scum by any means but Frogsterking and I are in lockstep with how we view the possibility of Pooky's claim. I have found Pooky's scumhunting a bit lacking. Pooky's not one of my first choices but he could be scum.

If I was queen, it would be StD or Malcolm wagons but I'm not.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

titus why am i scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why is frogsterking's read on me important to you?

we were literally just in a game together where we were in a dance pair and you were scum and you saw frogsterking hard tunnel town!me even after I told him I would leave the dance so why do you think his read here is good

like i literally told him stop talking to you because I will leave right away and he didnt believe me and kept talking to you and got himself identity guessed and lost us the game

all he had to do was shut up and wait for teal to be voted out and then I leave the game

if he didnt believe me - all he had to do was WAIT and SEE IF I WOULD LEAVE but his conviction in his own reads was so strong that he kept talking and got himself killed

so why do you believe he is right now

[MathBlade]

I'll do MariaR if the Pooky wagon disassembles. Both would help me resolve some uncertainties. I feel it's more likely Pooky is scum though.

I feel the NM disloyal vig can be done on anyone.

It can but I would rather it be done on Pooky since there’s a ton of conflict there.

If I can do BGC + NM + Pooky in one go
And eat a bullet so invests go off

I really feel that’s best.

We need an elimination and coordinating another that's acceptable is very difficult in this environment. I don't feel Pooky is lock scum by any means but Frogsterking and I are in lockstep with how we view the possibility of Pooky's claim. I have found Pooky's scumhunting a bit lacking. Pooky's not one of my first choices but he could be scum.

If I was queen, it would be StD or Malcolm wagons but I'm not.

I know. That’s why I am already compromising with a mid tier town.

That’s how far up I have to go to find someone palatable.

Std and Malcolm just are not likely scum here if your result is true.

At least Unvote Pooky please

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like Im still pissed about that game

I told him you were trying to get me to tell you who he was and that I didnt trust you and I would leave and the dude still kept believing you were town and talking to you when all he had to do was shut up and let me leave after we voted out the other pair

[Titus]

why is frogsterking's read on me important to you?

we were literally just in a game together where we were in a dance pair and you were scum and you saw frogsterking hard tunnel town!me even after I told him I would leave the dance so why do you think his read here is good

like i literally told him stop talking to you because I will leave right away and he didnt believe me and kept talking to you and got himself identity guessed and lost us the game

all he had to do was shut up and wait for teal to be voted out and then I leave the game

if he didnt believe me - all he had to do was WAIT and SEE IF I WOULD LEAVE but his conviction in his own reads was so strong that he kept talking and got himself killed

so why do you believe he is right now

I had no idea you were blue. Sure, I'm aware Frogsterking can be wrong but I put a lot of stock into his early game based on my experiences with him in TFT. I love foils that bring an opposite skillset to the table. We ate so many bullets that game when we syngerized well.

The evidence I used to guess happened before you told him to shut up I think but I get your point.

[Titus]

Std and Malcolm just are not likely scum here if your result is true.

Contrary. Given the setup, I would likely find StD Malcolm MariaR has likely a scum in it if my result is true barring really insane odds.

[MathBlade]

Std and Malcolm just are not likely scum here if your result is true.

Contrary. Given the setup, I would likely find StD Malcolm MariaR has likely a scum in it if my result is true barring really insane odds.

Hence why I picked Maria as she’s the lowest.

I am really trying to cooperate here

Please Unvote Pooky as cooperation from you.

We have a chance to confirm 4 players alignments here

[Titus]

Explain 4 and why Pooky is so important to be the one. You're asking me to unvote the largest wagon of a stagnant game that works withs that has a pure wagon. Pretty big ask.

Take your time. In lol queue

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pure wagon

what does this have to do with anything?

even if every person is voting me is town

that says nothing about my alignment

if the game is stagnant and theres only one dominant wagon why would scum not just stay off the wagon? they think it'll go through without their help and they don't want to look bad on the next day. they're not under threat

take TFT for example Day Two the execution wagon on Fred was this:



8 town votes with 14 players alive and 3 scum off wagon

Purity is not a measure of anything if you dont analyze game state

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also do you actually have any reasons for why you think i'm mafia

[MathBlade]

Explain 4 and why Pooky is so important to be the one. You're asking me to unvote the largest wagon of a stagnant game that works withs that has a pure wagon. Pretty big ask.

Take your time. In lol queue

Will do afterward I finish this last work thing. Maybe an hour ish or hopefully less

[MathBlade]

Also her point is silly
She scums spects Maria
Maria is on wagon
Ergo wagon not pure

[Titus]

Also her point is silly
She scums spects Maria
Maria is on wagon
Ergo wagon not pure

I think Maria is town and Pooky is the scum in Pooky/Maria but neither is locked. I could be wrong on both

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

titus why am I scum this is the 5th time im asking you

[MathBlade]

The case for why to check Pooky

• We should check an investigative -> This results in a net gain of more information and then future information is better.
  1. Myself --> I am not sure if I can voyeur myself and I have a good chance of dying tonight.
     
  2. Pooky
     
  3. Marci
     
  4. Titus
     
  5. Toog
• So the question becomes why check Pooky over Marci, you, or Toog.
  
• Why Pooky because of other people.
  1. BGC is willing to tie his alignment to Pooky's and so is NM. It is highly unlikely that scum have three roleblockers, at at best a rolestopper. This means, with me we learn a relative alignment of four people. By this scenario, we can have Pooky follow someone to determine the type of action they take and Marci track someone and Toog do whatever. The amount of if then else generated by willing people will be immensely usefu.
     
  2. We have many people who are breaking the cardinal rule of elimming an investigative that you said you were. If Pooky is telling the truth about your result (which you haven't countered) then it's much more likely he's a town fixture. We don't have that with anywhere else and short of another direct claim of action there's no better pin there.
     
  3. Pooky came up as a direct response to BCG/Frog. BCG is willingly trusting Pooky and Frog is being really weird in demanding an elim versus a check. Based on Pooky's alignment we can explore today. None of the other elims have been a successful wagon.

• Why Pooky because of himself
  1. Let's face it, when Pooky is town, he's usually kinda good. Better than me (which is sometimes not saying much). Dude has so many awards he has a gif of them.
     
  2. Generally he is mechanically sound in complex setups.
     
  3. His reads are a bit similar to mine and questions he asks are similar to mine. (yeah I know this one is selfish)

Part two of what we learn relationship wise by checking Pooky will be upcoming