hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

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Std and Malcolm just are not likely scum here if your result is true.

Contrary. Given the setup, I would likely find StD Malcolm MariaR has likely a scum in it if my result is true barring really insane odds.

Cmon Titus...This really just feels like you want to elim Pooky versus check him.

Let it go

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Spoiler:

vote count 2.6 !

PookyTheMagicalBear (5):

MariaR, Frogsterking, Big Chungus Gaming, Toogeloo, Titus

Titus (2):

Save The Dragons, Cape90

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

furtiveglance, PookyTheMagicalBear

furtiveglance (1):

marcistar

Frogsterking (1):

MathBlade

not voting (3):

Not_Mafia, MalcolmTucker, Enchant

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to blow someone up. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-23 14:51:54)

modorator notes

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[MathBlade]

This list assumes NM is a vig. To be fair, he's only said killing. He could be hider or another obscure role, but that will be determined later on. If NM wishes to share his exact role he can, but most of this still applies

Assuming I die and no one else dies

• Enjoy the investigations. Not mafia could be blocked. Tons of invests get their results. Positive net gain. Share and share alike.
  • Pooky follower
  • Marci tracker (maybe?)
  • Toog (something or other)
  • Titus (redacted) all get results
• If NM not blocked, he knows Pooky is town.

Assuming I die and Pooky dies

• Not Mafia is
  absolutely
  the opposite alignment which means Pooky is scum. Vigilante is town only in normals. BCG is likely town or went somewhere else.

Assuming I die and BCG dies

• Not Mafia is
  absolutely
  the opposite alignment which means Pooky is scum. BCG is scum. Gambit done failed, elim Pooky and call it a day.

Assume 2 deaths none are me

• NM confirmed town. I get shiny voyeur results unless RB'd. If Pooky/BCG one of them we learn the other.

yes that's a lot of ramble apologies for any typos....

But all that if then else is freakin huge

Assume 1 deaths none are me

• I get shiny voyeur results to sort through unless roleblocked. If kill is not in Pooky/BG then NM blocked or scum.

[MariaR]

Great plan now let's vote out Pooky

[MathBlade]

Great plan now let's vote out Pooky

…

It’s kinda ridiculous to voyeur a dead body.

[MariaR]

And then Frog while we're at it because it would take two seconds for them to see the world view they're coming up with is incorrect because I'm hard pushing Pooky but Frog is either town who never thinks they're wrong and needs to go over or just a wolf and I don't think they're a bad player so wolf it is.

Toogeloo can go
Someone find me the wolves in furtiveglance/Save/MT
pedit: I'd rather we vote out scum considering the fact you're lost in the claims since scum can easily fake there claims and if you just look at this game as a game of Mafia Pooky's posts are awful.

[MariaR]

Like if there really is a vig Toogeloo should be the shot 9/10 times 44 posts of legit nothing. Like, if you're not gonna play the game just sub out and stop wasting time or get vig'd/exe'd for all I care.

[MathBlade]

Like if there really is a vig Toogeloo should be the shot 9/10 times 44 posts of legit nothing. Like, if you're not gonna play the game just sub out and stop wasting time or get vig'd/exe'd for all I care.

..Toog is a claimed invest.

Ffs can we not try to mass murder invests before they can prove themselves

Or not murder proven ones?

[MathBlade]

And then Frog while we're at it because it would take two seconds for them to see the world view they're coming up with is incorrect because I'm hard pushing Pooky but Frog is either town who never thinks they're wrong and needs to go over or just a wolf and I don't think they're a bad player so wolf it is.

Toogeloo can go
Someone find me the wolves in furtiveglance/Save/MT
pedit: I'd rather we vote out scum considering the fact you're lost in the claims since scum can easily fake there claims and if you just look at this game as a game of Mafia Pooky's posts are awful.

They’re really great imho.

I don’t get this Pooky wagon at all.

It started and no one has given reasons other than “awful”.

Why?

Why would we sacrifice checking 4 alignments for someone already proven truthful?

[MariaR]

Like if there really is a vig Toogeloo should be the shot 9/10 times 44 posts of legit nothing. Like, if you're not gonna play the game just sub out and stop wasting time or get vig'd/exe'd for all I care.

..Toog is a claimed invest.

Ffs can we not try to mass murder invests before they can prove themselves

Or not murder proven ones?

I don't care if they're a claimed IC.

You can just claim whatever you want it doesn't make your claim more or less likely be a villager invest vs a scum invest, if they're a scum invest and give a true result I doubt it'll be anything useful. If it's a villager invest it's already clear with all these invests wolves prob have some counter player.

Stop putting so much stock into invest city and focus on mafia. You cannot solve this game through invest power alone.

[MariaR]

And then Frog while we're at it because it would take two seconds for them to see the world view they're coming up with is incorrect because I'm hard pushing Pooky but Frog is either town who never thinks they're wrong and needs to go over or just a wolf and I don't think they're a bad player so wolf it is.

Toogeloo can go
Someone find me the wolves in furtiveglance/Save/MT
pedit: I'd rather we vote out scum considering the fact you're lost in the claims since scum can easily fake there claims and if you just look at this game as a game of Mafia Pooky's posts are awful.

They’re really great imho.

I don’t get this Pooky wagon at all.

It started and no one has given reasons other than “awful”.

Why?

Why would we sacrifice checking 4 alignments for someone already proven truthful?

Pooky only started playing the game because they got pushed and focused on Frog because they think Frog is doing some XYZ stuff and it makes them annoyed. All that? NAI.

The rest of there posts are shrug emojis and naked votes not doing anything. The reason I want to push Pooky/Too so hard is so they can be useful and not be drowned out by all the loud ass voices in the thread.

[MathBlade]

Like if there really is a vig Toogeloo should be the shot 9/10 times 44 posts of legit nothing. Like, if you're not gonna play the game just sub out and stop wasting time or get vig'd/exe'd for all I care.

..Toog is a claimed invest.

Ffs can we not try to mass murder invests before they can prove themselves

Or not murder proven ones?

I don't care if they're a claimed IC.

You can just claim whatever you want it doesn't make your claim more or less likely be a villager invest vs a scum invest, if they're a scum invest and give a true result I doubt it'll be anything useful. If it's a villager invest it's already clear with all these invests wolves prob have some counter player.

Stop putting so much stock into invest city and focus on mafia. You cannot solve this game through invest power alone.

I am.

I am focused on the mafia who want to kill TPR on no evidence and providing no reasoning.

If someone claims cop D1 you don’t elim them without reasoning.

Pooky is a proven investigative.

I am asking for that reasoning,

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And then Frog while we're at it because it would take two seconds for them to see the world view they're coming up with is incorrect because I'm hard pushing Pooky but Frog is either town who never thinks they're wrong and needs to go over or just a wolf and I don't think they're a bad player so wolf it is.

Toogeloo can go
Someone find me the wolves in furtiveglance/Save/MT
pedit: I'd rather we vote out scum considering the fact you're lost in the claims since scum can easily fake there claims and if you just look at this game as a game of Mafia Pooky's posts are awful.

They’re really great imho.

I don’t get this Pooky wagon at all.

It started and no one has given reasons other than “awful”.

Why?

Why would we sacrifice checking 4 alignments for someone already proven truthful?

Pooky only started playing the game because they got pushed and focused on Frog because they think Frog is doing some XYZ stuff and it makes them annoyed. All that? NAI.

The rest of there posts are shrug emojis and naked votes not doing anything. The reason I want to push Pooky/Too so hard is so they can be useful and not be drowned out by all the loud ass voices in the thread.

Ffs Pooky always gets off to a slow start when he’s enjoying himself.

There’s not a damn thing scummy there

[MariaR]

Okay so what I'm getting from this is you're just snowballed over invest claims.

If we somehow unlock the gods and win due to all these invest games I'll say you were right post game but I doubt that'll happen.

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... %5B%5D=355

An example

Pooky goofed around with starting a cult for a long ass time

[MathBlade]

Okay so what I'm getting from this is you're just snowballed over invest claims.

If we somehow unlock the gods and win due to all these invest games I'll say you were right post game but I doubt that'll happen.

I am not saying that all the invest claims are town.

I am saying they’re not today.

Huge difference.

[MariaR]

You legit had Pooky as "idk they can get voted shrug" until Pooky claimed and now you're like "Wow I adore Pooky"

You're just misted/snowballed over the fact they claimed invest. Obviously, mafia will have some counter play to all this so I have no idea what you're expecting.

When the day starts with invest claims dead and people saying they were roleblocked what are you gonna do? Say "oh okay" and let it keep going?.

Pedit: Meta from one game showing Pooky doesn't do anything as a villager as well as a wolf isn't an excuse for his horrible voting patters and play this game.

[MariaR]

There is nothing stopping wolves from lying, or making things up. It isn't like we're in a spot where we have tightened our grip on the wolves and they have to play how we make them or they're caught.

It's actually a spot where they can guide the information how they please and we'll just follow it like sheep. Just elim the wolfy people it is not that hard.

[MathBlade]

You legit had Pooky as "idk they can get voted shrug" until Pooky claimed and now you're like "Wow I adore Pooky"

You're just misted/snowballed over the fact they claimed invest. Obviously, mafia will have some counter play to all this so I have no idea what you're expecting.

When the day starts with invest claims dead and people saying they were roleblocked what are you gonna do? Say "oh okay" and let it keep going?.

Pedit: Meta from one game showing Pooky doesn't do anything as a villager as well as a wolf isn't an excuse for his horrible voting patters and play this game.

1) Voting patterns are fine.

2) Yes mafia will have something to counter town. But we learn from how they try to.

3) Yes I adore Pooky right now. There is no reason to elim him now. He’s literally proven.

4) When people say roleblocked we analyze it. It’s unlikely scum have all four roleblockers so someone’s going to learn something or de facto inno. I am arguing patience.

There is no horrible play. You keep repeating this but don’t detail it. I countered your joking Pooky = scum Pooky premise. What’s next?

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There is nothing stopping wolves from lying, or making things up. It isn't like we're in a spot where we have tightened our grip on the wolves and they have to play how we make them or they're caught.

It's actually a spot where they can guide the information how they please and we'll just follow it like sheep. Just elim the wolfy people it is not that hard.

And I am trying to.

Pooky is like 100% town.

There is nothing scummy about his play.

And the fact neither you nor Titus describe it demonstrates it.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: MariaR

Let’s go.

[MathBlade]

I mean let’s look at the “case”

On the scum side we have “bad” play/“voting”

On the good side we have
— Collaborating with town
— Confirmed inno
— Precrumbed role
— Scum attempting to eliminate a TPR before confirming other player’s alignment,

So why the hell is the Pooky wagon even a thing?

[MathBlade]

Confirmed invest *

Autocorrect you suck

[MariaR]

You legit had Pooky as "idk they can get voted shrug" until Pooky claimed and now you're like "Wow I adore Pooky"

You're just misted/snowballed over the fact they claimed invest. Obviously, mafia will have some counter play to all this so I have no idea what you're expecting.

When the day starts with invest claims dead and people saying they were roleblocked what are you gonna do? Say "oh okay" and let it keep going?.

Pedit: Meta from one game showing Pooky doesn't do anything as a villager as well as a wolf isn't an excuse for his horrible voting patters and play this game.

1) Voting patterns are fine.

2) Yes mafia will have something to counter town. But we learn from how they try to.

3) Yes I adore Pooky right now. There is no reason to elim him now. He’s literally proven.

4) When people say roleblocked we analyze it. It’s unlikely scum have all four roleblockers so someone’s going to learn something or de facto inno. I am arguing patience.

There is no horrible play. You keep repeating this but don’t detail it. I countered your joking Pooky = scum Pooky premise. What’s next?

You didn't counter anything you linked one game where Pooky didn't do anything as a villager and are acting like that means he can't be a wolf. I wasn't saying he was a wolf for doing nothing, I'm saying he's a wolf because he only started playing when he got pushed and focused on Frog for something out of this game instead of anything that happened here going "where's the case on me" but didn't bat an eyelash when there was no case on Greeting or myself. i could see a world where Pooky is just a selfish bad villager but that still gives me no reason to let them go.

The thing that you're not letting click with you is even in the golden world where every invest claim gets a result and posts said result. . .now what? I doubt we have a claim that's as simple as getting a guilty and I would bet my butt that there's no cop. It's nothing, it legit does not help the gamestate at all. What fantasy world are you trying to make up? All the invest claims are doing is giving people another day.

Sure, if you want to argue Pooky isn't a wolf I'm all ears but all you have done is link a game to me and said "no Pooky isn't scummy" that isn't a defense, that's a difference in opinion, you aren't trying to prove anything right now despite the fact you're trying to dam me and Titus for it.