Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[MMR]

I’m definitely going to be ignoring MMR’s reads. Seriously dafuq.

I said that Yume didn't feel Towny.
Do you disagree?
-Rubella

[Past Present Future]

I’m definitely going to be ignoring MMR’s reads. Seriously dafuq.

I said that Yume didn't feel Towny.
Do you disagree?
-Rubella

Oh sorry then, I misunderstood. Yeah, she could definitely be scum here.

[mastina]

mastina read on us does strike me as unplausible, since she just saw me as scum twice

It is specifically because I have seen you as scum twice that I know this is your multiball scum meta.

Maybe try talking to the great professor?

Well you, I don't know; your posts don't give me an alignment without that knowledge. So with you as null and tictac as clearly scum...

[Past Present Future]

@Mastina what exactly is tictac’s multiball scum meta? Can you link some games for me?

[mastina]

I do agree with you that mastina's read on STD is a bit off. I don't feel like his content at the time when she made the read, was exactly that Towny.
UNVOTE: FA for now.

That's the thing tho.

STD's town/scum meta are night/day different. And this game STD is a beacon of light. This is his towngame through and through. He's literally radiating his alignment, a shining beacon of towniness. He is town, 100%. Like, genuinely top-tier townread, town. He cannot be scum here.

Frozen Angel also has a town/scum meta that are night/day different. The asterisk to my read on FA here is that I don't know which is which.

I KNOW that FA has a night/day difference in her town meta and her scum meta.
I'm PRETTY sure that this is the night half, that this is the scum half, that this is FA as scum. But the asterisk on my read is that I might be remembering it backwards. I'm PRETTY sure I'm getting it right that this is the scum half tho.

[mastina]

VOTE: professotic

Probably my best scumread so far. Not the strongest, but I'm fairly confident there's enough odd stuff going on with this slot.

I've played with tictac briefly. Never played with ProfessorDrapion, but witnessed him play in Mini Normal 2280, which I hosted. They don't sign their posts, but from what I've read, I would estimate like 70-80% of content comes from tictac and only 20-30% comes from ProfessorDrapion. And this is the first thing that is off about this slot. In my experience, tictac has been less active than he is in his past games and ProfessorDrapion has been one of the most active in Mini Normal 2280. Even if his posts didn't give too much content, he was always kinda there. This activity pattern makes me think that they might have decided to let tictac lead the way and ProfessorDrapion take a step back.

I've had a bad vibe from

Enchant

's entrance post too. Obviously I know it was RVS, yadda yadda etc. But still, at the time

Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

made 26, I thought this is a valid early read, and

professotic

(most likely the tictac head) coming after

Scarecrow

posting this was unwarranted (60). Also, the vote itself (31), RVS or not, came chronologically before the justification for it (60). None of these two things would bother me so much individually, but in combination they are giving me en err vibe. So that's the second thing.

I don't buy the

furtiveglance

townread at all. In my experience, he's been quite active and actively scumhunting in his past games, and I get the feeling that he doesn't care that much about this game at all. This doesn't really warrant townreading him, especially with such confidence. That's the third thing.

~Greeting

This is a very good post, and a very good read.
It definitely makes them not scum with professotic.

I don't think it makes them town, mind you.
But it's a VERY good post. A damn good one.

[mastina]

the upside is i don't know if scum would make a post that disgusting so maybe i'm coming around to you being town

Multiball, so: yes.

[Frozen Angel]

Prodge/suspicion dodge

Sorry, follow up is that I understand the scumreading of FA but decided not to vote them because I think there is town in their awkwardness/pricklyness.

I want you to elaborate on your understanding of it and the reasons you didnt

[Frozen Angel]

[...]
(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but for now, this'll do.)

What makes you think 6 is the approximate amount?
-Aisa

Basic math.
There's 17 players in the game.

If there's 4 scum per faction for 8 total, that's 8 scum to 9 town. Town would legitimately only have a one-player lead over the scum.

If there's 2 scum per faction for 4 total, that's a ridiculously small scumteam for both. I suppose two per team is possible if they DO have a recruitment mechanic, but if the game lacks a recruitment mechanic or has it be incredibly gated, then the approximate amount should be three per faction.

the scum factions are called "cults" even though cult existence by mafia meaning is not confirmed or denied. depending on the "power range" a smaller start can work easily in this setup for one or both faction

[mastina]

I am Talia. Believe it or not, it's true. As true as the fact that Aegon the Conqueror had two wives.

Yo

VOTE: professotic

@Mastina, are you still tr this?

Not nearly as strongly as I'd prefer, but loosely, yes.

[Frozen Angel]

I do agree with you that mastina's read on STD is a bit off. I don't feel like his content at the time when she made the read, was exactly that Towny.
UNVOTE: FA for now.

That's the thing tho.

STD's town/scum meta are night/day different. And this game STD is a beacon of light. This is his towngame through and through. He's literally radiating his alignment, a shining beacon of towniness. He is town, 100%. Like, genuinely top-tier townread, town. He cannot be scum here.

Frozen Angel also has a town/scum meta that are night/day different. The asterisk to my read on FA here is that I don't know which is which.

I KNOW that FA has a night/day difference in her town meta and her scum meta.
I'm PRETTY sure that this is the night half, that this is the scum half, that this is FA as scum. But the asterisk on my read is that I might be remembering it backwards. I'm PRETTY sure I'm getting it right that this is the scum half tho.

I'm not familiar with STDs meta. can you share more details about that meta read?

I will not comment on the second part of this post cause I don't know honestly what are you talking about as it seems you have no idea about it either.

[mastina]

Can you elaborate on this? I have almost no experience playing multiball and how do you distinguish multiball meta from singleball meta?

Well basically, scum can scumhunt in multiball.

Some towntells are still towntells;
Some scumtells are still scumtells;

Some tells are exclusive to multiball by being things that are scum-in-multiball-indicative.

I have a doctor's appointment so I can't really elaborate more right now, but that's the basic breakdown;

tictac is showing his multiball scumtells.

[mastina]

@Mastina what exactly is tictac’s multiball scum meta? Can you link some games for me?

Multiball ain't exactly common enough to have a boatload of games for a player as scum.

But I can maybe do the links later.

[Frozen Angel]

the upside is i don't know if scum would make a post that disgusting so maybe i'm coming around to you being town

Multiball, so: yes.

1 - what is multiball going to do with anything that was mentioned there? I specifically said I wont try to read STD myself after realizing that will go in a loop. if anything that is me not trying to solve a slot on purpose - not a scum attempt to read another scum faction

2 - why do you call/agree my post there was disgusting?

It feels like you posted this for the sake of posting something rather than thinking about stuff and sorting things

[mastina]

LOCKTOWN:
{Past Present Future, Save The Dragons} (most locktown of locktown)
TOWN:
{Yume, Radical Rat, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow}
{Maid Cafe, MMR}

TOWNLEAN:
{furtiveglance}
{Enchant}
{T-Bone}


{Child of Fairies}
{Radja}


{Bunnyonce}

SCUM:
{Korina}

{Frozen Angel}

{professotic}

[Frozen Angel]

I swear that understanding mastina posts and reads was not this hard few years ago.

or am I getting dumb

[Past Present Future]

@Mastina what exactly is tictac’s multiball scum meta? Can you link some games for me?

Multiball ain't exactly common enough to have a boatload of games for a player as scum.

But I can maybe do the links later.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=25917

Found one.

[Past Present Future]

@Mastina what exactly is tictac’s multiball scum meta? Can you link some games for me?

Multiball ain't exactly common enough to have a boatload of games for a player as scum.

But I can maybe do the links later.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=25917

Found one.

Not sure I’m really seeing it though but probably if I ISO’d him in a town multiball game, it would be helpful.

[Past Present Future]

@tictac, can you link a town multiball game of yours? Thanks.

[Bunnyonce]

[...]
(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but for now, this'll do.)

What makes you think 6 is the approximate amount?
-Aisa

Basic math.
There's 17 players in the game.

If there's 4 scum per faction for 8 total, that's 8 scum to 9 town. Town would legitimately only have a one-player lead over the scum.

If there's 2 scum per faction for 4 total, that's a ridiculously small scumteam for both. I suppose two per team is possible if they DO have a recruitment mechanic, but if the game lacks a recruitment mechanic or has it be incredibly gated, then the approximate amount should be three per faction.

I agree with your maths.

I asked because it is not obvious to me whether the cults have recruitment powers. As you say, the cults having decent recruitment powers would point more towards 2x2 scum on Day 1, so I wondered if "6 scum" was a perspective slip.

Sadly, I've come away with a whole lotta nothing. Your answer is plausibly your real thought process, but you sound so... composed, and I think you could have faked this post without too much trouble.

-Aisa

[Bunnyonce]

[...]
I haven't actually read most of the thread yet, forgot how daunting Larges can be
[...]

I'm tempted to TR RR for this.

Busy today so this will be the extent of my contribution.

-Aisa

[MMR]

I do agree with you that mastina's read on STD is a bit off. I don't feel like his content at the time when she made the read, was exactly that Towny.
UNVOTE: FA for now.

That's the thing tho.

STD's town/scum meta are night/day different. And this game STD is a beacon of light. This is his towngame through and through. He's literally radiating his alignment, a shining beacon of towniness. He is town, 100%. Like, genuinely top-tier townread, town. He cannot be scum here.

Frozen Angel also has a town/scum meta that are night/day different. The asterisk to my read on FA here is that I don't know which is which.

I KNOW that FA has a night/day difference in her town meta and her scum meta.
I'm PRETTY sure that this is the night half, that this is the scum half, that this is FA as scum. But the asterisk on my read is that I might be remembering it backwards. I'm PRETTY sure I'm getting it right that this is the scum half tho.

I see.
I think that I get the lock-TR on STD more after his interactions with FA, then your original TR before so.
Though, I 100% agree that STD has noticeable differences between his towngame and scumgame based of previous games.
I'm not sure about FA though because I don't know her towngame or scumgame. I think that I'll take your word though because you seem to know her better than me.
-Rubella

[Frozen Angel]

I do agree with you that mastina's read on STD is a bit off. I don't feel like his content at the time when she made the read, was exactly that Towny.
UNVOTE: FA for now.

That's the thing tho.

STD's town/scum meta are night/day different. And this game STD is a beacon of light. This is his towngame through and through. He's literally radiating his alignment, a shining beacon of towniness. He is town, 100%. Like, genuinely top-tier townread, town. He cannot be scum here.

Frozen Angel also has a town/scum meta that are night/day different. The asterisk to my read on FA here is that I don't know which is which.

I KNOW that FA has a night/day difference in her town meta and her scum meta.
I'm PRETTY sure that this is the night half, that this is the scum half, that this is FA as scum. But the asterisk on my read is that I might be remembering it backwards. I'm PRETTY sure I'm getting it right that this is the scum half tho.

I see.
I think that I get the lock-TR on STD more after his interactions with FA, then your original TR before so.
Though, I 100% agree that STD has noticeable differences between his towngame and scumgame based of previous games.
I'm not sure about FA though because I don't know her towngame or scumgame. I think that I'll take your word though because you seem to know her better than me.
-Rubella

she said nothing there for you to sheep it. just some meta calls. not for std and not for me. she specifically said she has no idea what she is doing with her meta read on me and you intend to sheep it cause pushing me seems like a viable strategy and townreading std seems consistent with your stance from before? she didn't even explain the meta on std and how its similar to this game.

[Frozen Angel]

like what is happening in this game.

[MMR]

I do agree with you that mastina's read on STD is a bit off. I don't feel like his content at the time when she made the read, was exactly that Towny.
UNVOTE: FA for now.

That's the thing tho.

STD's town/scum meta are night/day different. And this game STD is a beacon of light. This is his towngame through and through. He's literally radiating his alignment, a shining beacon of towniness. He is town, 100%. Like, genuinely top-tier townread, town. He cannot be scum here.

Frozen Angel also has a town/scum meta that are night/day different. The asterisk to my read on FA here is that I don't know which is which.

I KNOW that FA has a night/day difference in her town meta and her scum meta.
I'm PRETTY sure that this is the night half, that this is the scum half, that this is FA as scum. But the asterisk on my read is that I might be remembering it backwards. I'm PRETTY sure I'm getting it right that this is the scum half tho.

I see.
I think that I get the lock-TR on STD more after his interactions with FA, then your original TR before so.
Though, I 100% agree that STD has noticeable differences between his towngame and scumgame based of previous games.
I'm not sure about FA though because I don't know her towngame or scumgame. I think that I'll take your word though because you seem to know her better than me.
-Rubella

she said nothing there for you to sheep it. just some meta calls. not for std and not for me. she specifically said she has no idea what she is doing with her meta read on me and you intend to sheep it cause pushing me seems like a viable strategy and townreading std seems consistent with your stance from before? she didn't even explain the meta on std and how its similar to this game.

I missed the part where she said that she had no idea.
I don't think that pushing you counts as a viable strategy if I was scum, because I'm more likely to look worse by doing so. As for STD, I think that his tone during his interactions with you feels consitent with his tone from previous games where he was Town.
The last sentence is a good point, though.

like what is happening in this game.

Was this intended as a question?
Because I feel like a lot of reads for me in this game are based off interactions.
-Rubella