Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Radja

[Bunnyonce]

Ooof I didn't I would need so long to read 15 pages @_@

Yeah so
1. Turns out I'm not really convinced by the proftic cases so far. UNVOTE: . Sorry other head!
2. My townread on FA is evaporating. Sorry other head!

@FA

, I'd like to hear what you think of mastina's read on you?
3. I agree STD seems town and I think post 191 is a reasonable against FA for this point in the game.
4. I'm not really sure why mastina would bring up meta reads without explaining what the meta she has on those players is,

I would like her to explain the meta tells she is using

.

I'll talk to Greeting about finding a new vote we can agree on.

-Aisa

[MathBlade]

Both Aisa and I think Frozen Angel is town for this post.

~Greeting

Why?

Speaking for myself: the mechanical speculation and her enthusiasm seemed towny.

I guess you could argue that's a level 0 take, but whatever.

-Aisa

I mean, I'd probably argue that it's very easily faked.

I’d argue not.

I think she believes the mech spec whatever her alignment. I have seen FA mech spec and it’s similar. Granted it was years ago but I think some things don’t change easily.

[MathBlade]

so, u arguing that or no?

yes

Not sure how much of a take we were meant to have in post 25?

I like Radjs, Titus and mastina for town, maybe std. Mainly vibes. Really didn't like the mech post from frozen angel and not sure how I feel about aisa knowing their take on it was 'l0 but also town!' tbf I also hate mech in general.

-b

VOTE: Scarecrow

Don’t like the sidelining. Feels like egging on.

Ironically if my gut read is right most of the TRs from Scarecrow likely aren’t Scarecrow’s alignment.

[MathBlade]

I'm looking for someone to kill.

VOTE: professotic
I can't really quantify it, but it feels like they're playing looking for someone to kill rather than looking for scum. Just the way they're engaging feels... Wrong.

I mean, you right!

VOTE: professotic

{Past Present Future} (most locktown of locktown)
{Save the Dragons, Yume} (basically most, but need just a

bit

more from both to be sure)
{Radical Rat, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (may be one lower)}
{Maid Cafe, MMR}

TOWNLEAN:
{furtiveglance}
{Enchant}
{T-Bone}


{Child of Fairies}
{Radja}


{Frozen Angel}
{Bunnyonce}

SCUM:
{Korina}
{professotic}

(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but for

now

, this'll do.)

This post by Mastina is suspicious.

It’s clear from the presenters here we don’t know if cult can recruit.

Yet somehow Mastina ends up on 6 because why?

VOTE: mastina

[MathBlade]

Mastina, where's the Korina read coming from? They've done literally nothing and are getting replaced, so I don't see how they can be anything but null

Seconded. Korina tends to flake as both alignments.

I am town this game but Mastina doesn’t feel town to me.

[MathBlade]

can everyone just post at least 1 read they feel more comfortable about based on past 6 pages and at least 2 sentences explaining it?

I think the professor wagon is sus.

If this was a town game I’d say back off exclusively.

Just have to figure out if it’s scum on scum crime.

Mastina seems like too informed or making assumptions that are unfounded.

I also don’t like Scarecrow either. They feel repetitive.

Furtive seems maybe counterintuitive depending upon the day or not maybe? I like nights myself to unwind a bit before but I am trying to be slower before going all in. Like I am almost treating things like more newbie ish.

[Bunnyonce]

VOTE: furtiveglance

Greeting says that the town!furtive he knows is a lot more outspoken and solvey. I countered that maybe furtive just hasn't gotten into this game yet, but Greeting rightfully points out we can vote him for pressure if nothing else. Looking at furtive's ISO I'm starting to suspect Greeting actually has a point, furtive feels like he's lacking a certain fire for solving the game.

Do you wanna talk about Radja, furtive?

-Aisa

[MathBlade]

VOTE: furtiveglance

Greeting says that the town!furtive he knows is a lot more outspoken and solvey. I countered that maybe furtive just hasn't gotten into this game yet, but Greeting rightfully points out we can vote him for pressure if nothing else. Looking at furtive's ISO I'm starting to suspect Greeting actually has a point, furtive feels like he's lacking a certain fire for solving the game.

Do you wanna talk about Radja, furtive?

-Aisa

I think that is possibly a bad vote. Not sure how I can explain just yet. I guess if you have to have something “vibes”.

[MathBlade]

[...]
(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but for now, this'll do.)

What makes you think 6 is the approximate amount?

-Aisa

Good question. Hello TR.

[MathBlade]

I think if Bunny was scum and this 6 was wrong they’d let it go uncorrected.
I think if Bunny was scum and this 6 was right and different teams they’d just note Mastina scum.
I think if Bunny was scum and 6 was right and same team then they’d let it go and hope no one noticed.

That 6 is incredibly odd.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: professotic
I can't really quantify it, but it feels like they're playing looking for someone to kill rather than looking for scum. Just the way they're engaging feels... Wrong.

I mean, you right!

VOTE: professotic

{Past Present Future} (most locktown of locktown)
{Save the Dragons, Yume} (basically most, but need just a

bit

more from both to be sure)
{Radical Rat, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (may be one lower)}
{Maid Cafe, MMR}

TOWNLEAN:
{furtiveglance}
{Enchant}
{T-Bone}


{Child of Fairies}
{Radja}


{Frozen Angel}
{Bunnyonce}

SCUM:
{Korina}
{professotic}

(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but for

now

, this'll do.)

VOTE: Bunny

I like Bunny versus Professor as wagons. Korina's not a bad choice either. Bunny's last defense of FA reeked.

~Titus

FoS on Titus. Don’t see how she’s getting her reads.

[MathBlade]

Also no one told me if the mechs are difficult lol

VOTE: frozen angel

FoS on StD

If no one told you me he would be difficult ( similar to me )

Then no one else told you if there’s 6 or scum either or not (which I don’t know)

So focusing on FA here is weird.

[MathBlade]

Pausing to hear opinions

[mastina]

VOTE: Scarecrow

VOTE: mastina

FoS on Titus. Don’t see how she’s getting her reads.

FoS on StD

Oh yeah MathBlade's lockscum here; he's literally voting/pushing the four towniest* slots in the game.

(*Admittedly one of them, me, requires knowledge of my alignment. I've not towned it up yet. But MathBlade is literally FoSing/voting three of the towniest slots in the game, with me as a fourth--I get that MathBlade can have bad towngames, but this is not an entrance MathBlade ever has as town.

There's a lot more, but tbh I wasn't planning on posting here today at all. In fact I explicitly was trying to take today as a rest day. But I couldn't let this go unsaid; MathBlade is 200% scum here. The above is a big reason but there's more reasons beyond that; I can explain those reasons when I actually feel like posting.)

[MathBlade]

Lol really?

Like this is ridiculous.

Mastina I think scum slipped hard with the 6.
No one bothers to track her down or ask why until Bunny,

Instead people focus on FA minutia that’s absolutely less than what Mastina did.

Titus who is a person who loves to read by mech didn’t point anything out? Instead she wants Bunny who quite frankly is one of the few towntold people in my catch-up and professor why? That makes no sense. She’d also support a lurker wagon on my slot specifically despite the many lurkers.

StD is very tunnelled if town at this point to argue FA is scum but yet not notice Mastina mech

The arguments are contradictory and non existent.

Instead you just call the slots “Townie” and therefore I am scum.

That conclusion doesn’t follow any premise. It’s well known that I tend to disagree with popular opinion at times no matter my alignment.

This entrance I assure you is 100% something I have done as town and I will do and continue to do so.

This is a whole lot of nothing burger.

[Past Present Future]

player/replacement ledger

butterchurn
Nashville Dreams (Titus & Malakittens)
Cat Scratch Fever
Save The Dragons
Toogeloo momo
Morning Tweet Sword of Ducks
cassowary
Freedom Wallflower, Nero Cain
SCP 682 Tracer Bullet
The Keeper
Dunnstral Well Done (Dunnstral & Lukewarm)
MegAzumarill
MalcolmTucker
bnuuy
tictac
MathBlade MonkeyMan576
Klick
Enchant
mastina
RCEnigma catboi
Flavor Leaf
Menalque
Ydrasse NorwegianboyEE

here

Morning Tweet,

Vanilla Townie

Freedom,

Vanilla Townie

Klick,

Town Mason 1-shot Gunsmith

gone

Toogeloo,

Town Voyeur

, politely asked to leave Day 1.

RCEnigma,

Werewolf 1-shot Bookie

, fled town Night 1.

MalcolmTucker,

Town Hirsute Saint

, politely asked to leave Day 2.

Enchant,

Mafia Goon

, exorcised Day 2.

Ydrasse,

Town 1-shot Parity Cop Mayor

, fled town Twilight 2.

mastina,

Mafia Loathed 2-shot Activated Wolfsbane 1-shot Roleblocker

, fled town Night 2.

butterchurn,

Malefactor 1-shot Watcher

, fled town Night 2.

Dunnstral,

Hirsute Townie

, politely asked to leave Day 3.

SCP 682,

Town Monk

, fled town Night 3.

cassowary,

Town Acolyte

, politely asked to leave Day 4.

MegAzumarill,

Town Bodyguard Mason

, fled town Night 4.

Cat Scratch Fever,

Mafia Silversmith 1-shot Personal Janitor

, fled town Night 4.

MathBlade,

Town Modified Jack of All Trades (gunsmith, occultist, doctor, cleric)

, politely asked to leave Day 5.

Save The Dragons,

Town Monk

, fled town Night 5.

The Keeper,

Town 1-shot Gladiator

, fled town Night 5.

bnuuy,

Werewolf Goon

, politely asked to leave Day 6.

tictac,

Werewolf Mason

, politely asked to leave Day 7.

Menalque,

Vanilla Townie

, fled town Night 7.

Flavor Leaf,

Mafia Monk

, fled town Night 7.

Nashville Dreams,

Werewolf Vanilla Cop 1-shot Neapolitan

, politely asked to leave Day 8.

How many players were in this game? There were two scumteams of 4 in it.

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: professotic
I can't really quantify it, but it feels like they're playing looking for someone to kill rather than looking for scum. Just the way they're engaging feels... Wrong.

I mean, you right!

VOTE: professotic

{Past Present Future} (most locktown of locktown)
{Save the Dragons, Yume} (basically most, but need just a

bit

more from both to be sure)
{Radical Rat, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (may be one lower)}
{Maid Cafe, MMR}

TOWNLEAN:
{furtiveglance}
{Enchant}
{T-Bone}


{Child of Fairies}
{Radja}


{Frozen Angel}
{Bunnyonce}

SCUM:
{Korina}
{professotic}

(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but for

now

, this'll do.)

VOTE: Bunny

I like Bunny versus Professor as wagons. Korina's not a bad choice either. Bunny's last defense of FA reeked.

~Titus

FoS on Titus. Don’t see how she’s getting her reads.

No offense @Math but you didn’t like Titus’ reads in LOST either.

I’m really not sure who’s reads to trust in this game, so probably just go with my own for now.

[MathBlade]

No offense taken

But I at least could see her brain working.

Here she’s not doing “Titus”-y things

[MMR]

How many players were in this game? There were two scumteams of 4 in it.

I think 23.
-Rubella

[MathBlade]

I can’t exactly say I liked anyones reads in lost

I was scum with a covid high and barely functioning

[mastina]

Ehhh fuck it. I'll be around. I'm angry at things in real life but I need

somewhere

to vent--may as well be a maf game, 'cause I ain't gonna get worse from it; the only way to go is up.

I'm sorry for this. I think prof is town and there are some very bad votes on them.
I want to vote Dingle for their bandwagoning crimes
VOTE: Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

Btw having seen furtive effectively be scum in multiball (furtive was an SK), I can say that this is a very, very, very different look for him this game. Obviously, doesn't clear him since SKs have no scumbuddies, but I would expect if furtive were scum this game for there to be a similarity between his play that game and his play this game as still hunting for scum while playing for the longterm endgoal of endgaming town and scum alike.

That he's radically different this game tells me he's probably town.

This is a town take

And Klick is town for the reads synergy.
Yes, multiball, but last time I said "Klick I want to call town but multiball", he was town so fuck it, committing to it: town.

I've been keeping up on my phone, but the amount of players and hydra heads in this game make it hard for me to get much reads really.

This has a fairly good chance of being scum.

I have never seen

FA

as scum. As town she's normally rather helpful and cooperative, and I believe that is how she's been so far.

This is an incredibly shallow take and I feel like you know it is.

VOTE: mastina
u r doing ur dead-thread thing using technically true statements to push nonsense.

The one and only area I falter in is knowing which meta is which.

i think this was the only lie in the post.

This is an absolutely egregious--tictac doesn't believe this and you

know

he doesn't believe it. It's the type of point that comes from having predetermined a read to make and then create reasons for it.

It's faked as hell. It's not genuine in any way shape or form. It's flat. It lack conviction. You can tell he doesn't believe it--and for good reason. (I don't think I need to explain why tictac's point is ridiculous, but if you

really

want to, it's easy enough to do; no actual town player would seriously raise the point because of just how silly it is.)

[MMR]

I liked most of mastina's reads but I 100% disagree on her read on Math.
He could be wrong in his reads but I don't think that it makes him scum.
-Rubella

[mastina]

Lol really?
Like this is ridiculous.

Btw this is a sentence that never comes from MathBlade as town.

Like.

If you know MathBlade as a player.

You KNOW that MathBlade doesn't think this way as town in a way to generate a "lol really? This is ridiculous".

If I had the time/motivation I guarantee you I could deep dive this to show MathBlade doesn't do that post as town. MathBlade as town has an entirely different way of expressing his thoughts. He doesn't think this way as town. When he feels like he is being ignored, when he feels like he is being disrespected, when he feels like he is dealing with a town in the wrong, he can post something like "this is ridiculous". Where there's a frustration in him.

But when he has a scumread as town, he doesn't feel the need to go "lol really". Instead, he just pushes them. He sees them as scum, he pushes them as scum. He doesn't care what the player in question says.

Yet here, he did. The "lol really, this is ridiculous" spews him as scum, because MathBlade as scum

does

respond to the pressure. MathBlade as scum knows that scumreads on him are legitimate. He can believe they come from scum in multiball, sure--but he knows that the suspicion on him is a threat.

I can summarize it this way.
MathBlade as town has conviction--with one player he is allegedly scumreading displaying a scumread on him, he isn't fazed by that.

MathBlade as scum sees threats--with a player scumreading him, he needs to work on neutralizing the threat.

The language used betrays this. He's not seeing me as scum that he needs to push;
He sees me as a threat that he needs to remove.

Thus.
Scum.

[Past Present Future]

[...]
(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but for now, this'll do.)

What makes you think 6 is the approximate amount?
-Aisa

Basic math.
There's 17 players in the game.

If there's 4 scum per faction for 8 total, that's 8 scum to 9 town. Town would legitimately only have a one-player lead over the scum.

If there's 2 scum per faction for 4 total, that's a ridiculously small scumteam for both. I suppose two per team is possible if they DO have a recruitment mechanic, but if the game lacks a recruitment mechanic or has it be incredibly gated, then the approximate amount should be three per faction.

@Math, comparing this game with NQNMB, I don’t see why you think this is unreasonable?