In post 569, Frozen Angel wrote:About Radja, I need more to see from them but I fos-ed their push on bunny in early game and that still stands as it was done without taking a stance himself
still would wanna focus more on Mastina and MMR for now
pedit:
The game has 4 phases, dusk, noon, dawn, night in which dusk and dawn are like day phases and noon and night are like night phases. we also have 2 scum groups known as solar cult and lunar cult based on info we have.
2+2 theory making says noon is when solar cult has power or more power and night is when lunar cult has power or more power that made the design of these 4 phases necessary.
so it can be a mechanic reducing scum powers for balance reasons of a bastard game
Makes sense. I can buy 6 scum then but I worry mastina doesn't have enough SRs.
Also its a fallacy to assume both groups are symmetric. they can be 2 and 3 or even 1 and 3/4
we don't know what we're dealing with at all and it all depends on their power range. why would you assume a cult starts with multiple players if it exists?
In post 420, MMR wrote:Measles didn't say anything about the vote.
-Rubella
Since your hydra seems so splitted, I need to know something
was it the same hydra head that voted me and changed the vote or where they two different people/other people talked to them inside your hydra? I mean the vote after STD thing that was retracted after my response
We're actually not too split atm? Early on yes, but right now our biggest disagreement is probably what we think of Math vs Mastina. Mumps is a bit more aggressive of the three heads, so that's likely what you're seeing here.
Mastina is a slot I'd like to sort later. I think this is just what she does and if it's entirely random she's scum but if it makes some sense she's probably town. I am leaning toward the latter.
I don't think that you are overreacting. 138 definitely reads like shade, to me, coming from FA.
It's completely understandable and NAI to not understand the mech in a closed setup. VOTE: FA
-Rubella
In post 181, Frozen Angel wrote:I posted the line I find that post alarming in response to mastina's almost hard townread on the slot - implying that I don't see how such a thing could give her an almost locked town read on the slot when it can be easily faked. There is absolutely no context in which you could have misunderstood it as a scum read on the slot so I can't believe you with that.
STD's becoming hard defensive about it and not engaging with me when asked about other slots was in fact over reaction but yours attempt to create a wagon over it felt way more self-aware and intentional.
and again since its being questioned - what I find alarming:
- People chatting about some mech speculations in a closed setup
- Someone dropping a line with a I don't know and don't wanna know attidue like there is something to know to make it believable they are in a not giving a f state
The IDGAF state can be easily faked. Its absolutely not deserving for that townread and has to be monitored
I think that I get you now.
When I first read 138, I genuinely thought that you were trying to shade STD by accusing him of faking confusion when to me, he felt like he actually was lost.
I do agree with you that mastina's read on STD is a bit off. I don't feel like his content at the time when she made the read, was exactly that Towny. UNVOTE: FA for now.
I need to reaccess my reads.
-Rubella
I just wanna know if there was a chat between heads for when this vote was casted, between the vote and unvote and when vote was uncasted or not
Greeting says that the town!furtive he knows is a lot more outspoken and solvey. I countered that maybe furtive just hasn't gotten into this game yet, but Greeting rightfully points out we can vote him for pressure if nothing else. Looking at furtive's ISO I'm starting to suspect Greeting actually has a point, furtive feels like he's lacking a certain fire for solving the game.
Do you wanna talk about Radja, furtive?
-Aisa
I can vibe this.
It’s the end of the world as you know it and we feel fine.
Not Voting (3) Radja, Child of Fairies, Save the Dragons,
With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-10-28 10:23:41)
Radja professor unaligned
I agree, but I don't see how you're getting that from the VC.
-Measles
I would not expect two wagons on players from the same scumteam this early.
I’m surprised you’re using an outdated VC to get things.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
not a courtroom.
the space of all possible actions is large tho.
Motion denied. Even if I remove courtroom terminology, I cannot change the way I think.
~Titus
Submitting a request for discovery from Titus head regarding mechanics especially but not exclusively Mastina’s post. Would also like to request where Titus and Nancy head disagree and where you agree.
Doesn’t have to be every read. Just want to see where your thoughts are.
I'll organize off the cuff thoughts soon.
As for mechanics, I like 6 scum with a semi nightless. If it was a normal game, I'd go for 2.5.
It’s the end of the world as you know it and we feel fine.
In post 434, MMR wrote:@T-Bone
I don't see much hydra dissonance for PPF.
Can you list some examples?
-Rubella
I pinged it specifically maybe 6 pages ago during Titus' last instance of posting where Titus appears to be playing a different game from the other heads (of which I assume Nancy has mostly posted and Auro not at all)
To be fair your slot has done it too, as has that other hydra. But I found Titus specifically making what I would describe as game agnostic posts...Titus could have been posting in any game on the site.
Not sure why you find my posts game agnostic but due to IRL I have had trouble getting into the game. That's part of why I hydraed.
It’s the end of the world as you know it and we feel fine.
In post 480, Maid Cafe wrote:I'm not going to bother with the Math/mastina world because it seems like they're Thunderdome and not in good-faith. Not in a wolfy way but more they're too prideful to step back from it and it's hard to tell if that's wolf motivated or not as I drum my fingers on the table. I still hold problems with MMR's "hydra chat" bulk content and what seems like a lot of operstunstic votes but I know if I don't pick up on posting or make a case then my vote is gonna sit here like a duck until someone louder points it out. (Hey loud people help out ty)
T-bones post I can vibe with and only part of it is because I like T-bone.
RR's posts still suck
Enchant too uhhh I like mangos
Maid with Math too.
Maid seems rather distant from their reads for lack of a better word.
It’s the end of the world as you know it and we feel fine.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
1 Radical Rat - gtmh town
2 Mastina - top town
3 professotic (Hydra of Professordrapion and tictac) - would vote
4 Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (Hydra with Klick and Bellaphant) - town
5 Child of Fairies - would vote
6 Past Present Future (Hydra of Nancy Drew 39, Titus, and Auro) - Tired and Awesome
7 Yume - would vote
8 Enchant - null, only reluctant compromise
9 Bunnyonce (Hydra of Aisa and Greeting) - null, recent posts better
10 MMR (Hydra of Ircher, RH9, and Roden) - town
11 Frozen Angel - town
12 Maid Cafe - would vote (favorite currently)
13 Math - gtmh town
14 Furtiveglance - would vote
15 Save the Dragons - town
16 T-Bone - lean town
17 radja - meh ok vote let's see what shakes
~Titus reads to here
It’s the end of the world as you know it and we feel fine.
Not Voting (3) Radja, Child of Fairies, Save the Dragons,
With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-10-28 10:23:41)
Radja professor unaligned
I agree, but I don't see how you're getting that from the VC.
-Measles
I would not expect two wagons on players from the same scumteam this early.
I’m surprised you’re using an outdated VC to get things.
Minor things can be suggested. It's not an end of the world.
You can but it’s not like you.
“But no scum have flipped yet”
“It’s too early for VCA”
Need I go on?
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
In post 589, Past Present Future wrote:1 Radical Rat - gtmh town
2 Mastina - top town
3 professotic (Hydra of Professordrapion and tictac) - would vote
4 Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (Hydra with Klick and Bellaphant) - town
5 Child of Fairies - would vote
6 Past Present Future (Hydra of Nancy Drew 39, Titus, and Auro) - Tired and Awesome
7 Yume - would vote
8 Enchant - null, only reluctant compromise
9 Bunnyonce (Hydra of Aisa and Greeting) - null, recent posts better
10 MMR (Hydra of Ircher, RH9, and Roden) - town
11 Frozen Angel - town
12 Maid Cafe - would vote (favorite currently)
13 Math - gtmh town
14 Furtiveglance - would vote
15 Save the Dragons - town
16 T-Bone - lean town
17 radja - meh ok vote let's see what shakes
~Titus reads to here
Titus that’s 0 scumreads
At best a would vote
C’mon sis
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
In post 493, professotic wrote:You guys are literally just settling for two wagons, which is poor IMO and only leads to miss execution and more wolf agenda.
I’m town and Radja is 50/50 so you guys are just sitting on two town.
You all need to be pressuring more and doing more please.
Wolves don’t just come around and be like “Hey! Look at me! I’m a wolf!”
You gotta do something about it.
We have days to do discussion and with it you can pressure slots and get more out of it.
Don’t just waste a day and let mafia linger around gaining little to no attention at all.
Let's be clear fam I ain't settling. I'm leading a wagon that I think is on a scum slot and will stay here until that changes.
In post 282, Maid Cafe wrote:professotic seems like the kind of player that's gonna tryhard so they get killed by a wolfteam at one point so they're prob a villager and I don't need to read them ez
Fairish but could be a partner. Not an outright defense but encouragement to look elsewhere. Yet it is factually true that professor is active.
Not Voting (3) Radja, Child of Fairies, Save the Dragons,
With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-10-28 10:23:41)
Radja professor unaligned
I agree, but I don't see how you're getting that from the VC.
-Measles
I would not expect two wagons on players from the same scumteam this early.
Ah, I get that reasoning.
-Measles
I do not.
This is multiball. If this was the same team I would agree tenuously at best
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
Mastina is a slot I'd like to sort later. I think this is just what she does and if it's entirely random she's scum but if it makes some sense she's probably town. I am leaning toward the latter.
I don't think that you are overreacting. 138 definitely reads like shade, to me, coming from FA.
It's completely understandable and NAI to not understand the mech in a closed setup. VOTE: FA
-Rubella
In post 181, Frozen Angel wrote:I posted the line I find that post alarming in response to mastina's almost hard townread on the slot - implying that I don't see how such a thing could give her an almost locked town read on the slot when it can be easily faked. There is absolutely no context in which you could have misunderstood it as a scum read on the slot so I can't believe you with that.
STD's becoming hard defensive about it and not engaging with me when asked about other slots was in fact over reaction but yours attempt to create a wagon over it felt way more self-aware and intentional.
and again since its being questioned - what I find alarming:
- People chatting about some mech speculations in a closed setup
- Someone dropping a line with a I don't know and don't wanna know attidue like there is something to know to make it believable they are in a not giving a f state
The IDGAF state can be easily faked. Its absolutely not deserving for that townread and has to be monitored
I think that I get you now.
When I first read 138, I genuinely thought that you were trying to shade STD by accusing him of faking confusion when to me, he felt like he actually was lost.
I do agree with you that mastina's read on STD is a bit off. I don't feel like his content at the time when she made the read, was exactly that Towny. UNVOTE: FA for now.
I need to reaccess my reads.
-Rubella
I just wanna know if there was a chat between heads for when this vote was casted, between the vote and unvote and when vote was uncasted or not
its kinda important to me
Had to double check the time stamps for this, but I wasn't around when that vote happened, just Rubella and Mumps. The unvote happened before I could comment on it, though I'd made it clear my suspicion was on Bunny at the time. Mumps didn't seem to have a major opinion about you yet, but suspected T-Bone and Radja and wanted to vote there instead, before Math then caught his attention sometime later. Rubella did want to reassess, and the unvote timing coincides with his "reassess" post in our PT.
If it matters, no one's really talking about you atm. Mainly just discussing Drapion revealing that he's TSE and how that affects meta reads/explains a few things.
Not Voting (3) Radja, Child of Fairies, Save the Dragons,
With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-10-28 10:23:41)
Radja professor unaligned
I agree, but I don't see how you're getting that from the VC.
-Measles
I would not expect two wagons on players from the same scumteam this early.
Ah, I get that reasoning.
-Measles
I do not.
This is multiball. If this was the same team I would agree tenuously at best
I think that's the point PPF is making. Since it's VCA I'm assuming it's the Titus head, and Professotic vs Radja being TvS or Solar vs Lunar is a read I kind of expect from her, and I don't really disagree with that idea. I don't think it's likely at all to be TvT, Solar vs Solar, or Lunar vs Lunar.
If they’re scum of a different team then wagons are good.
It sounds like she is excluding this case.
Good to know if PPF flips scum.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
I'll let her clarify then, since I interpreted her saying that they're unaligned and not on the same scum team as either TvS or Solar vs Lunar. If she's excluding Solar vs Lunar, just calling it TvS would've been the more accurate description.
