Warrior Cats Mafia [Day Three]

[catboi]

This is kind of funny to read right after he says he likes my posting after I decide I found a better vote than Marashu

it was a half joking theory but unironically i think if you had decided you wanted to bus marashu (i did think your trajectory into him was kinda weird) then you wouldnt be super likely to just go somewhere else in the way you did, felt more like towny exploring new options than scummy agendaposting

so yea it did kinda factor in actually

I look forward to rolling scum against you if

that

is enough to make you change your read on me. Because while it's the correct conclusion it's pretty bad process that can be pretty easily exploited - like if I was scum with Marashu why

wouldn't

I try to move off him?

Like, do you think you're out of scum range right now? Because so far I think you're in the middle of both your ranges.

no, no i don't think so. though, out of curiosity - if i had answered "yes, i do think i'm outside my scumrange here", then what would you do?

ftr, my poke towards you wasn't meant as a "catboi *should* have a read on me by now," it was a "i hoped he'd have a read on me by now, as that will potentially help me read him."

It would kid of depend on the justification you had although I think in your own words "I would never do this as scum" is, like, your go-to defense as scum, lmao (although usually used when you have literally nothing else to stand on so less likely day 1)

Also I actually think your reads look mostly decent although I'm still in wait and see mode on penguinpower, so

you're probably fine? (I know this is responding to a post from over a day ago and we've had conversations since then but w/e lol)

mastina's case on Alisae/Norwee is very compelling. I feel like her arguments on Alisae are stronger so it's interesting that she's more sure on Norwee. VOTE: Norwee

so given this, why are you voting norwee and not alisae, if you think the case on ali is stronger?

Okay, this is goodposting from misty. Marashu's response of 693 underwhelms because if Marashu thought the case for alisae was stronger he easily could have put a vote there to begin with to try to shift pressure, but instead it just feels convenient, and the fallback of "if they're both scum" is discordant with the case on ali supposedly being stronger

[Shiro]

And I am done reading.

Spoiler:

Jokes aside, what do you think about the current wagons on norwegian, kitty and Marashu?

I am townleaning on Norwee and I find the whole reasoning behind the wagon incredible bad, Mastina specifically and her whole angle pushign the alisae and norwee scum bs.

If anything it makes me scumread Mastina over agreeing with the wagon.

Kitty eeeeh

Marashu wagon is bad. I wouldn ttouch it

[Shiro]

Shiro has been extremely clear that it that scenario I am an idiot for having ever considered it.

Hey those were not my words I am nice. I used the word paranoid town.

[Shiro]

Hi I am a mason.

@Mastina: are you a mason?

Obviously.

Mastina claims that she is a mason 80% of the time. With only 5% of them being true.

PS. Those statistics are made up and have no bearing to what is actually true.

[catboi]

Catboi is probably just wrong town tbh. I strongly TR him in spire of everything because I understand why someone would SR me for my weird playstyle. But with me, you gotta look at the motivation behind my posts.

How am I supposed to look at your motivation based on what you've offered? Because so far what you've offered is content that looks scummy to me followed by complaining about the game being hard for you when you got wagoned.

I got reminded of one of my first games that I remember well, Baseball I think, where Norwee was scum and they played pretty similar to how they play here.

Why did you not say this in the first place when you voted norwee? Can you explain to me what you think is similar between those games?

[Dannflor]

UNVOTE:

I'll be catching up when I get home in a few hours.

[KittyTacky]

Just a heads up, it's my IRL birthday so I might not be very active. Will still try to catch up soon-ish.

[fireisredsir]

.........
Let's break down the sentences.

1. I'm fine shutting down Mastina's ego if they're town and wrong. Nobody should be 97.5% confident in a read day one. AND ABSOLUTELY NOBODY SHOULD BE 100% CONFIDENT IN A READ DAY 1 Unless they have mod information. Which I won't entertain given who I'm speaking to.
2. If they're right my win condition is advanced and I'll be happy with that.

Am I leaving out that you're the best player at the table at reading Norwe? Yes. Yes I'm going to ignore that claim because there are a lot of issues I have with it. Such as:
1. You could be wrong.

so you were being sarcastic? why didn't you say this when i asked about it originally

and can you be more specific about when something similar to this happened in lost, like at least who did you vote? i don't wanna read all that

also who are your strongest townreads rn

[fireisredsir]

Either outcome is funny. *signed up*

ok ig this kind of does imply what you're saying here but that wasn't really clear at all at the time

so it's strange to me that you say you aren't limiting your thoughts when it seems like in this case you had a lot more thoughts that you chose not to share even when i specifically asked about them... because ???

[Ydrasse]

Seeking a replacement for Shiidaji.

[Ydrasse]

VOTE COUNT 1.5

[5]

NorwegianboyEE

: mastina, Something_Smart, Bell, KittyTacky, Marashu
[5]

KittyTacky

: catboi, Cephrir, Datisi, Alisae, Mistyx
[3]

Marashu

: NorwegianboyEE, fireisredsir, SCRRRDBEAR
[2]

Datisi

: Frozen Angel, PenguinPower
[1]

Charloux

: Titus
[1]

Titus

: Charloux
[1]

Alisae

: Val89
[1]

Something_Smart

: Shiidaji


[2]

Not Voting

: Shiro, Dannflor

—

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-10-30 12:12:34).

MOD NOTES

• have fun!

• let us know if you have any questions, or if something's wrong!

• currently v/la: dannflor, penguinpower, shiro

• seeking a replacement for shiidaji

• a joint mod iso may be found here!

[Cephrir]

norwe is probably town

i literally have 0 idea why there are votes on marashu

this game is zzz

[fireisredsir]

norwe is probably town

i literally have 0 idea why there are votes on marashu

this game is zzz

i just kinda gut don't believe a lot of marashu's posts, the solving just feels kinda forced and unnatural

idk if they're doing more in the hood or what but it just doesn't feel like they're doing much to try to find scum. they will like disappear for a while and then return but only respond to questions directed to them, there's no proactivity

which is like vastly different from the town game of theirs that i looked at so like ik they are capable of being proactive as town



what would make the game less zzz

do you have any hot takes you want to share

[Bell]

1. Because I was being sarcastic and kind of not. Because I don't know if they're right or not. So it's not *entirely* fair of me to dismiss their suspicion. If that makes sense.
2. I was in a neighborhood with a player named Taly. I explained that I suspected them and thought, while emphasizing that I wasn't sure, that they were scum, Pooky asked everyone who they suspected and made a little consensus poll. Taly was the most suspected player.
Cephrir gladiated Taly. Nancydrew, Pooky, and ProfessorDrapion disagreed with the read and proceeded to hard defend Taly. No matter how much we argued it seemed like the only options they would accept was to either eliminate Cephrir or do a no elimination. They were *that* confident that Taly was town.
Taly wasn't town. You had to be there. Anyway it kind of turned me off to Alisae's approach here and I've never responded well to a player's AtE(Norwe). So that's it in a nut shell.

My town reads right now are me, Mastina, maybe Scredbear. I'm trying to remember if anyone has done anything particularly townie and I'm sort of blanking. *shrug*

[Bell]

What do you think about Alisae and Norwe doing a bunch of gotchas on me.? I could see why they'd push against me given they don't like my position, but at the same time it's weird for people that have played for years to attack my grammar or my lack of engaging all scenarios, especially given their own lack of engagement in it.
I'm perfectly capable of using may or hedging, in fact I usually do, I just couldn't be assed to change my wording to reflect my total ignorance of who is and isn't scum.

[fireisredsir]

okay that context helps thanks

it is correct that as town you usually like to build around a couple core townreads, right? im not wrong to be expecting you to do that? is your townread on mastina based on more than just her mason claim?

pedit: idk i think i have to reread that bit ill go do that

[Bell]

That's true but in this case this game is full of people that are good at being scum, people I suck at reading (titus) or that I'm not personally familiar with. I'm just extending my tendrils right now until I eventually (hopefully) begin engaging with everyone and getting a feel for them.

In terms of Mastina...It's complicated.
It's a combination of temptation in the absurdity of accepting someone at face value because it might piss the scum team off, their posts being decent for them and seemingly absent of their struggles with being scum (that I would like to note is no longer valid according to them) and just because.

[fireisredsir]

oh ok you answered that there, i kinda didn't fully follow that back and forth the first time through

idk to me it just looks like you were on different wavelengths and not really understanding each other (which i think is understandable bc i didn't really understand any of you the first time i read it)

you were talking about how you wanted to sheep mastina bc if she's right then she's right and if she's wrong then at least she loses her credibility

and alisae i think is saying that like... that's not very pro-town of you lol which i would kind of agree with, but i mean at least you're being honest about it i guess???

and also asking why you're willing to sheep mastina's read and not alisae's own read

and norwee asking why you're accepting mastina as town

i don't really see any of it as gotchas or nitpicking grammar, it just feels like them not understanding your perspective and approach to the situation (which tbh i would agree is kinda bizarre) and trying to ask clarifying questions to understand it

[Bell]

I'll admit to being a bit of a troll(cat).
I also, don't really care if people understand me. I'm not super collaborative when solving.

[Bell]

Unless I think I'm in danger of getting eliminated.
Then I care a lot.
But still not really collaborative when solving.

These posts I'm making are kind of a hint of my alignment this game tbh.

[fireisredsir]

i do feel like i can actually understand what you're thinking for the first time this game which is nice i guess cause that's usually what im looking for

i don't like fully get why you think the most useful thing for town is to vote norwee here beyond like a personal vindictiveness but i don't know of thats necessarily scummy? just strange

[mastina]

Yo, sorry I can't post tonight, am half an hour late for bed, will do so tomorrow. (I am quite angry due to work eating up all of today because guess who had to work a double shift today??? Eating up 10 hours of the day for work??? I am already going to get only 5.5 hours of sleep at most so like. I legit can't post here. Or, well. I could--it'd just be a very very very bad idea to. )

I usually prefer to include some kind of content in my prod dodge promises for more, but I am genuinely so out of time that I can't even do that. I need to catch up on page 27 onwards tomorrow; see you then (unless more bullshit like today gets in the way).

[Bell]

No, I just don't see a reason to unvote them.
and I don't see anyone better to vote currently.
Datisi is kind of already dead to me.

There are a lot of other players I'd like to explore though,

off the top of my head, I want better reads on you, Cephrir, Catboi, Marashu, Shirou, whoever replaces Shidaji.
But I can't quite articulate the questions yet. Flag, plain spoken, intentional navel gazing into process, busy cookies, 0 posts.

[Bell]

I dunno why I forgot to add Dann in there, but sort of has the tone right, but coming off as an echo.

[fireisredsir]

No matter how much we argued it seemed like the only options they would accept was to either eliminate Cephrir or do a no elimination. They were *that* confident that Taly was town.
Taly wasn't town. You had to be there. Anyway it kind of turned me off to Alisae's approach here and I've never responded well to a player's AtE(Norwe). So that's it in a nut shell.

actually i still don't really get this bc looking at the timeline of things, you voted norwee based off mastina's confidence there and that was well before alisae started saying that they 100% tr norwee. they call norwee towny in 279, but say they're still sorting him, and their first like really confident statement of norwee town is 602. but you voted norwee before that, in 583

so it wasn't about you being turned off by alisae's approach, it was about mastina

so why would this context make you MORE inclined to encourage the approach that you found frustrating in the previous game by following someone expressing a 97.5% confidence read?

the way you explain it here it sounds like you're saying you don't want to give alisae's read the requested weight but like mastina is doing exactly the same thing from the other direction