Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[MegAzumarill]

VC 1.0.7

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Radja (5) T-Bone, Past Present Future, furtiveglance, MMR, Mathblade [E-4]

professotic (4) Mastina, Yume, Enchant, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

Mastina (2) professotic, Frozen Angel

MMR (1) Maid Cafe
furtiveglance (1) Bunnyonce
T-Bone (1) Radical Rat

Not Voting (3) Radja, Child of Fairies, Save the Dragons,

With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-10-28 10:23:41)*

*Deadline will not officially decrease below 4 days until a replacement is found for Child of Fairies.

[MMR]

How is knowing that will help you read my slot?

I was trying to see which part of your scum meta that mastina was using to SR you.

Because meta is easy to use as a basis for a SR if there isn't anything obvscum on the slot.
And ngl I still dislike mastina's reads on Math and Yume.
Both feel too OOG based as their content respectively don't feel like they connect with mastina's reads on both slots.
-Rubella

If you found that out let me know as well please

yet still doesn't answer my question. why you specifically asked about distancing and what would knowing that do to sort my slot out for you without any other flips in game?

Distancing was the only part of your scum meta that anybody was mentioned so I asked mastina about it.
If I had known anything else, I would have asked mastina about them to make sure that she isn't just trying to get a easy read on you and then if you don't flip scum, use meta as a reason to weasel out.
-Rubella

[mastina]

Crap I have a very important post about why I think there is at least one scumteam with 3 players and that they have TMI'd this to be the case and why I think that,
And I was gonna write it tonight,
But like: I am half an hour late for bed so I can't. (I'm somewhat miffed since I got a SURPRISE!!! double-shift today meaning I had to work an extra 5 hours. Guess which 5 hours I was planning to post in this game today during??? )

I DO think that at least one scumteam TMI'd there being a scumteam of 3 tho--in part because of the reactions to my post, and them thinking "oh mastina scumslipped she's one of the other scumteam".

Will explain what I mean tomorrow but I'm VERY confident in this because I know something the other scumteam doesn't. (Well, two things. One being that I am town.)

So I think they fucked themselves over, I just can't tell you why until tomorrow (assuming no bullshit happens to eat up tomorrow, too). Sleep needed now, I'm only gonna get 5.5 at most so like--if I were to write that post I'd only get at most 5. (It'd take half an hour minimum to write.) Literally genuinely can't.

But will tomorrow.

[mastina]

(I'm somewhat miffed since I got a SURPRISE!!! double-shift today meaning I had to work an extra 5 hours. Guess which 5 hours I was planning to post in this game today during??? )

(Obviously quite angry about this btw since it genuinely means the entirety of today was lost to work. Woke up, was barely not late for work. Worked my normal work schedule. Then, BAM. Had to work a second shift of equal length to the first. Then the moment I got home, busy doing prep for tomorrow, and even hauling my ass trying to not be late, I am half an hour late. So I'm not exaggerating in having lost an ENTIRE day to work and I am quite miffed about it.)

[mastina]

Crap I have a very important post about why I think there is at least one scumteam with 3 players and that they have TMI'd this to be the case and why I think that,
And I was gonna write it tonight,

(Basically I think we have guaranteed scum here--it's not a surefire thing for both teams to be teams of 3, but I am convinced there is at least one team of 3, and that team of 3 believed that I am on the other scumteam and by virtue of them being a team of 3, they assumed their mirror is also a team of 3, and assuming that, assumed that my mention of 6 scum was a scumslip of me being on the other team. Ironically in the process scumslipping themselves. Where they TMI'd in response to what they thought was TMI.)

[mastina]

(I promise I can explain better when not late for bed.)

[MMR]

I DO think that at least one scumteam TMI'd there being a scumteam of 3 tho--in part because of the reactions to my post, and them thinking "oh mastina scumslipped she's one of the other scumteam".

Looking forward to this.
-Rubella

[Frozen Angel]

Crap I have a very important post about why I think there is at least one scumteam with 3 players and that they have TMI'd this to be the case and why I think that,
And I was gonna write it tonight,

(Basically I think we have guaranteed scum here--it's not a surefire thing for both teams to be teams of 3, but I am convinced there is at least one team of 3, and that team of 3 believed that I am on the other scumteam and by virtue of them being a team of 3, they assumed their mirror is also a team of 3, and assuming that, assumed that my mention of 6 scum was a scumslip of me being on the other team. Ironically in the process scumslipping themselves. Where they TMI'd in response to what they thought was TMI.)

no one assumed the teams are symmetric unless if I missed something?

the only post about it that I found upon a fast recheck was my mech spec here:

About Radja, I need more to see from them but I fos-ed their push on bunny in early game and that still stands as it was done without taking a stance himself

still would wanna focus more on Mastina and MMR for now

pedit:

The game has 4 phases, dusk, noon, dawn, night in which dusk and dawn are like day phases and noon and night are like night phases. we also have 2 scum groups known as solar cult and lunar cult based on info we have.

2+2 theory making says noon is when solar cult has power or more power and night is when lunar cult has power or more power that made the design of these 4 phases necessary.

so it can be a mechanic reducing scum powers for balance reasons of a bastard game

Makes sense. I can buy 6 scum then but I worry mastina doesn't have enough SRs.

Also its a fallacy to assume both groups are symmetric. they can be 2 and 3 or even 1 and 3/4

we don't know what we're dealing with at all and it all depends on their power range. why would you assume a cult starts with multiple players if it exists?

that was not a reply to you or anyone. it was just me completing my own observation about the possible number of scum and how it can possibly be 5 or 4 with non symmetric systems as we don't know what are scum powers


unless if you know, cause you keep saying the other scum team with some sort of emphasis and you're quiet sure about 6 scum total when no one can't possibly do such math at this moment without having more information?

[Frozen Angel]

I'm probably overreacting.

Mastina is a slot I'd like to sort later. I think this is just what she does and if it's entirely random she's scum but if it makes some sense she's probably town. I am leaning toward the latter.

I don't think that you are overreacting.
138 definitely reads like shade, to me, coming from FA.
It's completely understandable and NAI to not understand the mech in a closed setup.
VOTE: FA
-Rubella

I posted the line I find that post alarming in response to mastina's almost hard townread on the slot - implying that I don't see how such a thing could give her an almost locked town read on the slot when it can be easily faked. There is absolutely no context in which you could have misunderstood it as a scum read on the slot so I can't believe you with that.

STD's becoming hard defensive about it and not engaging with me when asked about other slots was in fact over reaction but yours attempt to create a wagon over it felt way more self-aware and intentional.

and again since its being questioned - what I find alarming:

- People chatting about some mech speculations in a closed setup
- Someone dropping a line with a I don't know and don't wanna know attidue like there is something to know to make it believable they are in a not giving a f state

The IDGAF state can be easily faked. Its absolutely not deserving for that townread and has to be monitored

I think that I get you now.
When I first read 138, I genuinely thought that you were trying to shade STD by accusing him of faking confusion when to me, he felt like he actually was lost.
I do agree with you that mastina's read on STD is a bit off. I don't feel like his content at the time when she made the read, was exactly that Towny.
UNVOTE: FA for now.
I need to reaccess my reads.
-Rubella

I just wanna know if there was a chat between heads for when this vote was casted, between the vote and unvote and when vote was uncasted or not

its kinda important to me

Had to double check the time stamps for this, but I wasn't around when that vote happened, just Rubella and Mumps. The unvote happened before I could comment on it, though I'd made it clear my suspicion was on Bunny at the time. Mumps didn't seem to have a major opinion about you yet, but suspected T-Bone and Radja and wanted to vote there instead, before Math then caught his attention sometime later. Rubella did want to reassess, and the unvote timing coincides with his "reassess" post in our PT.

If it matters, no one's really talking about you atm. Mainly just discussing Drapion revealing that he's TSE and how that affects meta reads/explains a few things.

-Measles

I think your heads differences of opinion is hurting the image I'm making about your slot in my head as the multiple inconsistencies I'm detecting at some parts of your play were between different heads of your hydra or could be influenced by different heads of the hydra

I still don't get neither the vote nor unvote there by Rubella however. Felt too opportunistic on the vote and felt too fakely progressed of a thought with unvote to me.

[Radja]

About Radja, I need more to see from them but I fos-ed their push on bunny in early game and that still stands as it was done without taking a stance himself

Bunny's take on you was off so I stand by my comments.
Why are you saying I didn't take a stance?

[Radja]

"Both Aisa and I think Frozen Angel is town for this post."

I actually felt like it wasn't worded for a wishy washy read. I felt it was worded strongly for a wishy washy read and then you went downgrading it as it went questioned. It just doesn't fit with tone is all I'm saying but I'm just gonna keep note of that for now

Why do you think that the way I phrase my posts is alignment indicative?

~Greeting

I just said it bugged me cause it has tone-meaning inconsistency. It's not "alignment indicative" on its own at least.

what are your reads besides that "level 0" town read on my slot from everything else that's being said?

I don't believe you'd expect me to declare you town with 100% certainty so early. But I do think that post is indicative of you being town. I don't think that if you were scum, you'd make such a post just to maintain a facade.

As for my other reads, I will speak of them later. Maybe after I've consulted with Aisa first.

~Greeting

I actually didn't expect anyone to declare me town or a town read for that post in any way cause its clarealy and so obviously not alignment indicative - at least not on its own -. It can be from a town perception analyzing the game and mod post and talking out loud about something I bet more people thought about as well but probably kept silent about it or from a scum informed perspective looking like they are dropping value in the game while adding almost nothing to the table

But that doesn't matter to me as much as how you contradicted yourself on tone there in a way later on, at first saying yeah its a town read and both heads of hydra fully agree and then falling back on the read and claiming its just a hunch practically without any other development in game to justify the tone switch. Like I don't hold people responsible that much for their page 2 reads but I'm looking for people developments from one point to another to judge if it was faked or not

Then there is Radja still fixating on the read itself there without declaring a read for himself. He keeps suggesting it was faked without taking that stance I mean.

let me rephrase that, I think Radja could have announce his own read on the thing he is pushing Bunnyonce for at this point or at least to say its NAI instead of sidelining on the read itself, dropping lines about how its faked without him declaring that he thinks that what it was.

Scarecrow or mastina having different takes on it doesn't concern me at all. Its the attidues behind side taking that's not felling right in this interaction

I thought it was pretty obvious it was NAI for me

You never even responded to this.
Congrats, you won my vote
VOTE: Frozen Angel

[Radja]

VOTE: Radja

Still a iffy on Bunny but Radja’s posts look to be possibly agenda driven, that and Greeting usually sounds stilted in pretty much every game.

~Nancy

so what's my agenda here?

[Frozen Angel]

For some reason, I missed that post somehow and is first time I see it

anyways if it was NAI for you "obviously" why didn't you react to other people making reads based on it and you just bunny

[Frozen Angel]

Scarecrow mastina and I think maidcafe and math all commented on it and made a read too

what was special about bunny there?

[Radja]

Both Aisa and I think Frozen Angel is town for this post.

~Greeting

Why?

Speaking for myself: the mechanical speculation and her enthusiasm seemed towny.

I guess you could argue that's a level 0 take, but whatever.

-Aisa

I mean, I'd probably argue that it's very easily faked.

I’d argue not.

I think she believes the mech spec whatever her alignment. I have seen FA mech spec and it’s similar. Granted it was years ago but I think some things don’t change easily.

You're saying I'm right to think that FA's mech spec is NAI then, right??

[Radja]

I already said I mixed up Radja with Ranta if you read.

Well that doesn’t really help me then does it because I’ve never even heard of them.

@Radja, can you link some scumgames of yours for me?

I've only finished a game just now(where I was town), and haven't really played in forever.
I can't remember when I've last played as scum. I also used to play on a million alts, so I can't really be bothered to find them?

this is my only recent game.

[Frozen Angel]

Both Aisa and I think Frozen Angel is town for this post.

~Greeting

Why?

Speaking for myself: the mechanical speculation and her enthusiasm seemed towny.

I guess you could argue that's a level 0 take, but whatever.

-Aisa

I mean, I'd probably argue that it's very easily faked.

ok, why?
are u trying to correct a mistake u think bun is making, or perspective taking 2 read bun? any result, even if weak?

I think its bad that you townread FA for it.
That puts you down on the ladder for me.

I think its very possible you fabricated that read to position yourself close to FA, who usually is a very active player(been a while since I've played, but that's how I remember it)

The reason I said what I said is the way you worded your push against bunny. without clearly specifying you are pushing the mech spec to be NAI back then you were using the wording in a way to push that "it was faked" or that "bunny fabricated the read" which is what I meant when I said without taking a stance.

It didn't feel like it was coming from an unbiased perspective the way you persued it which is what I put the FOS on back then and why I used such wording.

[Radja]

I skimmed most of the game(except for the last couple of pages, ran out of time)

I don't understand the professortic wagon at all.
So if someone could explain it to me like I'm 5, that would be amazing.

furtiveglance's vote on me is awful by the way.
I'll try to keep up but I'm very disconnected here. Now I remember why I never played any large games.

Go Micro Queue!

[Frozen Angel]

So it seems that Noon is the night phase for the Solar cult and the night is the night phase for the Lunar cult. In other words, based on flavor we can guess that the cults are even/off phase mechanically. But guess we'll see when we go

This is probably a +town observation?

Bunnyonce says the exact same thing and can be town for it as well

58 reaffirms that Bunnyonce is obvtown

Most of my reads are the exact opposite of how mastina reads them and that confuses me

why you didn't react to this post the same way you did to Bunny

[Radja]

Scarecrow mastina and I think maidcafe and math all commented on it and made a read too

what was special about bunny there?

I guess they didn't stand out? Or they happened after I stopped reading the game?

When my mind is convinced I've caught something off, I don't let it go very easily.

[Frozen Angel]

I posted the one that was before you stopped paying attention the game at post 96 it was also related to your bunny read in some ways yet you skipped it

I just want to know if you analyzed any other elements of Bunny post to make that push or did you simply go after them for them having a different impression than you about a posted observation

[Radja]

Both Aisa and I think Frozen Angel is town for this post.

~Greeting

Why?

Speaking for myself: the mechanical speculation and her enthusiasm seemed towny.

I guess you could argue that's a level 0 take, but whatever.

-Aisa

I mean, I'd probably argue that it's very easily faked.

ok, why?
are u trying to correct a mistake u think bun is making, or perspective taking 2 read bun? any result, even if weak?

I think its bad that you townread FA for it.
That puts you down on the ladder for me.

I think its very possible you fabricated that read to position yourself close to FA, who usually is a very active player(been a while since I've played, but that's how I remember it)

The reason I said what I said is the way you worded your push against bunny. without clearly specifying you are pushing the mech spec to be NAI back then you were using the wording in a way to push that "it was faked" or that "bunny fabricated the read" which is what I meant when I said without taking a stance.

It didn't feel like it was coming from an unbiased perspective the way you persued it which is what I put the FOS on back then and why I used such wording.

I can see that.
It was early game and I wanted to get something going. That stood out to me so I commented on it.
Do I think Bunny is scum? I don't know. Do I think it's worth taking into account? Absolutely.
I expect people to know what I'm doing I guess.

Bunny's further posts seem to have improved, so I'm fine with letting it go for now.

[Frozen Angel]

so there was nothing distinct about Bunny's take on the observation for you to push that route and you just went there cause it was first thing you saw about it?

[Radja]

I posted the one that was before you stopped paying attention the game at post 96 it was also related to your bunny read in some ways yet you skipped it

I just want to know if you analyzed any other elements of Bunny post to make that push or did you simply go after them for them having a different impression than you about a posted observation

I actually did see that post but I didn't see the point in having a double discussion about the same thing.
Now that you mention it, I think it's pretty weird that it Scarecrow ignores my take on it entirely and just townreads you and Bunny for it.
I need to get into the game more. I'm not doing a great job.
So I guess the wagon on me isn't as bad as I want it to be.

[Radja]

so there was nothing distinct about Bunny's take on the observation for you to push that route and you just went there cause it was first thing you saw about it?

it was the first thing in the game that I saw that was off.
That's it.