Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[Frozen Angel]

when and if you have time, I would like to know your opinion about the wagon/votes on you and professotic if possible (at this time)

Radja (5) T-Bone, Past Present Future, furtiveglance, MMR, Mathblade [E-4]
professotic (4) Mastina, Yume, Enchant, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Maid Cafe

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Maid Cafe

hey whats the thought process here

[Radja]

when and if you have time, I would like to know your opinion about the wagon/votes on you and professotic if possible (at this time)

Radja (5) T-Bone, Past Present Future, furtiveglance, MMR, Mathblade [E-4]
professotic (4) Mastina, Yume, Enchant, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

T-Bone's was weird to me, but doesn't really bother me much
PPF: idk, didn't stand out to me
furtiveglance: bad naked vote
MMR: idk, didn't stand out to me
Math: I thought he was agreeing with me but then voted me, kinda weird

I have no clue why professotic is getting votes, so I would love to hear why.

(so basically I don't remember PPF and MMR's votes on me from my quick read through)
I also try not to care about people voting me. I just want to do my thing and if that isn't enough to get people to think I'm town, then I guess it's up to the rest of the players to understand who was mafia driving my wagon.

[Yume]

Hello

[Bunnyonce]

Lol really?

Like this is ridiculous.

Mastina I think scum slipped hard with the 6.
No one bothers to track her down or ask why until Bunny,

Instead people focus on FA minutia that’s absolutely less than what Mastina did.

Titus who is a person who loves to read by mech didn’t point anything out? Instead she wants Bunny who quite frankly is one of the few towntold people in my catch-up and professor why? That makes no sense. She’d also support a lurker wagon on my slot specifically despite the many lurkers.

StD is very tunnelled if town at this point to argue FA is scum but yet not notice Mastina mech

The arguments are contradictory and non existent.

Instead you just call the slots “Townie” and therefore I am scum.

That conclusion doesn’t follow any premise. It’s well known that I tend to disagree with popular opinion at times no matter my alignment.

This entrance I assure you is 100% something I have done as town and I will do and continue to do so.

This is a whole lot of nothing burger.

I have played with

mastina

and, in my experience, it is absolutely in her meta to make assumptions like this and follow up on them.

~Greeting

[Radja]

Hello

Prods- You must post

game advancing content

at least once every 36 hours or I will Prod you.

[Bunnyonce]

I'm still here, still haven't properly read. My less-busy section of week is approaching and I'll do a proper reading then, pinky swear.

For now though, rough instinct says MathBlade Town.

Why? And can you answer 313?

~Greeting

[Bunnyonce]

Feelings are not a towntell or scum tell. Only tell by feelings is when you see a pattern of them that make sense together or prove they were faked. the pattern can be by meta ofcourse too with lesser validity.

but you cant use your own meta to make a read on another person feelings.

Of course I can. I'm not some kind of robot, and I don't think

STD

is either. A lot of human thought patterns are shared.

~Greeting

[MathBlade]

Lol really?

Like this is ridiculous.

Mastina I think scum slipped hard with the 6.
No one bothers to track her down or ask why until Bunny,

Instead people focus on FA minutia that’s absolutely less than what Mastina did.

Titus who is a person who loves to read by mech didn’t point anything out? Instead she wants Bunny who quite frankly is one of the few towntold people in my catch-up and professor why? That makes no sense. She’d also support a lurker wagon on my slot specifically despite the many lurkers.

StD is very tunnelled if town at this point to argue FA is scum but yet not notice Mastina mech

The arguments are contradictory and non existent.

Instead you just call the slots “Townie” and therefore I am scum.

That conclusion doesn’t follow any premise. It’s well known that I tend to disagree with popular opinion at times no matter my alignment.

This entrance I assure you is 100% something I have done as town and I will do and continue to do so.

This is a whole lot of nothing burger.

I have played with

mastina

and, in my experience, it is absolutely in her meta to make assumptions like this and follow up on them.

~Greeting

I have played a lot with Mastina as well.

When her statements have foundational merit and emotions and match a logic (even if I disagree) she’s likely town.

Here however they don’t. It’s a lot of complicated vacuous questions.

And the ones that aren’t vacuous (if I am generous) are factually correct but misleading.

Therefore I think she’s scum.

[Past Present Future]

I am Talia. Believe it or not, it's true. As true as the fact that Aegon the Conqueror had two wives.

Yo

VOTE: professotic

Hello

Not impressed with this. Where’s your explanation for your vote?

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: Yume

This is reminding me of ToBeOrNotToBe.

[MathBlade]

A good way to read Mastina is if without looking at her ISO you get a general sense of thoughts of the game.

If you don’t get that it’s because she’s not looking at the whole game.

[Past Present Future]

A good way to read Mastina is if without looking at her ISO you get a general sense of thoughts of the game.

If you don’t get that it’s because she’s not looking at the whole game.

Can you give examples from her town and scum games? Because I’ve seen plenty of Mastina town games where some of her reads have made 0 sense to me.

[MathBlade]

A good way to read Mastina is if without looking at her ISO you get a general sense of thoughts of the game.

If you don’t get that it’s because she’s not looking at the whole game.

Can you give examples from her town and scum games? Because I’ve seen plenty of Mastina town games where some of her reads have made 0 sense to me.

It’s not so much whether Mastina makes sense but if she has an overarching view or not.

It’s super late here I will try tonight but might wait until tomorrow

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=87275

Scum game.

Here her main topic or thread was Chrono trigger / cross sprinkled with reads

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13202853

Town post in her ISO.

She considers the relationships between others and takes a broader view of the game.

To be clear she could scumread me and be town, she’d be hilariously wrong, but she could.

Instead she has empty statements and doesn’t look at the game as a whole.

[MathBlade]

Going to bed now

Hopefully that explains my thoughts but if not will try again tomorrow

[MMR]

I'm probably overreacting.

Mastina is a slot I'd like to sort later. I think this is just what she does and if it's entirely random she's scum but if it makes some sense she's probably town. I am leaning toward the latter.

I don't think that you are overreacting.
138 definitely reads like shade, to me, coming from FA.
It's completely understandable and NAI to not understand the mech in a closed setup.
VOTE: FA
-Rubella

I posted the line I find that post alarming in response to mastina's almost hard townread on the slot - implying that I don't see how such a thing could give her an almost locked town read on the slot when it can be easily faked. There is absolutely no context in which you could have misunderstood it as a scum read on the slot so I can't believe you with that.

STD's becoming hard defensive about it and not engaging with me when asked about other slots was in fact over reaction but yours attempt to create a wagon over it felt way more self-aware and intentional.

and again since its being questioned - what I find alarming:

- People chatting about some mech speculations in a closed setup
- Someone dropping a line with a I don't know and don't wanna know attidue like there is something to know to make it believable they are in a not giving a f state

The IDGAF state can be easily faked. Its absolutely not deserving for that townread and has to be monitored

I think that I get you now.
When I first read 138, I genuinely thought that you were trying to shade STD by accusing him of faking confusion when to me, he felt like he actually was lost.
I do agree with you that mastina's read on STD is a bit off. I don't feel like his content at the time when she made the read, was exactly that Towny.
UNVOTE: FA for now.
I need to reaccess my reads.
-Rubella

I just wanna know if there was a chat between heads for when this vote was casted, between the vote and unvote and when vote was uncasted or not

its kinda important to me

Had to double check the time stamps for this, but I wasn't around when that vote happened, just Rubella and Mumps. The unvote happened before I could comment on it, though I'd made it clear my suspicion was on Bunny at the time. Mumps didn't seem to have a major opinion about you yet, but suspected T-Bone and Radja and wanted to vote there instead, before Math then caught his attention sometime later. Rubella did want to reassess, and the unvote timing coincides with his "reassess" post in our PT.

If it matters, no one's really talking about you atm. Mainly just discussing Drapion revealing that he's TSE and how that affects meta reads/explains a few things.

-Measles

I think your heads differences of opinion is hurting the image I'm making about your slot in my head as the multiple inconsistencies I'm detecting at some parts of your play were between different heads of your hydra or could be influenced by different heads of the hydra

I still don't get neither the vote nor unvote there by Rubella however. Felt too opportunistic on the vote and felt too fakely progressed of a thought with unvote to me.

I hadn't read the Hydra Chat when I made the vote.
I had greatly disliked the way you interacted with STD and I didn't wanted to look like I was shading you so I placed the vote.
When I read the Hydra Chat and after your latter interactions began to feel not so bad, I decided to unvote you so that I could reaccess my read.
I think that your latest posts are actually pretty good and I liked how you still tried to interacted with my slot instead of shutting down like I would've expected you to do as scum.
-Rubella

[Radja]

Lol really?

Like this is ridiculous.

Mastina I think scum slipped hard with the 6.
No one bothers to track her down or ask why until Bunny,

Instead people focus on FA minutia that’s absolutely less than what Mastina did.

Titus who is a person who loves to read by mech didn’t point anything out? Instead she wants Bunny who quite frankly is one of the few towntold people in my catch-up and professor why? That makes no sense. She’d also support a lurker wagon on my slot specifically despite the many lurkers.

StD is very tunnelled if town at this point to argue FA is scum but yet not notice Mastina mech

The arguments are contradictory and non existent.

Instead you just call the slots “Townie” and therefore I am scum.

That conclusion doesn’t follow any premise. It’s well known that I tend to disagree with popular opinion at times no matter my alignment.

This entrance I assure you is 100% something I have done as town and I will do and continue to do so.

This is a whole lot of nothing burger.

I have played with

mastina

and, in my experience, it is absolutely in her meta to make assumptions like this and follow up on them.

~Greeting

I have played a lot with Mastina as well.

When her statements have foundational merit and emotions and match a logic (even if I disagree) she’s likely town.

Here however they don’t. It’s a lot of complicated vacuous questions.

And the ones that aren’t vacuous (if I am generous) are factually correct but misleading.

Therefore I think she’s scum.

So why are you voting me then? I haven't really participated much, so your read on me can't be that strong, right?

[Radja]

Both Aisa and I think Frozen Angel is town for this post.

~Greeting

Why?

Speaking for myself: the mechanical speculation and her enthusiasm seemed towny.

I guess you could argue that's a level 0 take, but whatever.

-Aisa

I mean, I'd probably argue that it's very easily faked.

I’d argue not.

I think she believes the mech spec whatever her alignment. I have seen FA mech spec and it’s similar. Granted it was years ago but I think some things don’t change easily.

You're saying I'm right to think that FA's mech spec is NAI then, right??

also you should answer this and explain why you're voting me if I'm reading this correctly

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Maid Cafe

hey whats the thought process here

They = sus, all bad posts.

[Radja]

MMR is town, PPF townlean, professotic townlean. I could vote Bunnyonce or T-Bone, but I'll choose when I've read more

I feel like this game has been going for a while now and there's many slots that haven't really done much.

Enchant

?

T-Bone

?

furtiveglance

?

~Greeting

I'm sorry for this. I think prof is town and there are some very bad votes on them.

I want to vote Dingle for their bandwagoning crimes

VOTE: Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

VOTE: Radja

VOTE: Maid Cafe

VOTE: Maid Cafe

hey whats the thought process here

They = sus, all bad posts.

I could say the same about you tbh.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Maid Cafe

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Catching up, haven't spoken to klick.
Page 19: klick feels a little better about drap, says the alt makes sense. T bone is probably town. The radja/ranta convo feels like busy work from PPF

I don't think prof and math are alinged. Fa is probably town. Klick feels slightly more null about the MMR slot and I did like roden's posting.

@titus, what is a town fos? Can you expand to us a bit in general?

Mech talk, my fave.
Math is not that hard to read: I want to point to pyp.

I don't hate tituus' reads but that's not enough scum reads. Although I've lost a few hard scum reads in my catch up. Still could vote for radja, maid cafe, maybe PPF. Want so much more from furtive, yume and like at least two other slots who I've literally forgotten exist.

-bella, with the flu.will catch up with klick tonight.