Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[professotic]

Lmao.


Mastina saying “oh TicTac but I don’t wanna explain why they wolf”
Lmao.

Look Mastina let me make something clear.
My name is Professor Drapion. I am a high tier player.
I decided to be a hydra with a randomly chosen player known as TicTac.
I have no idea how this dude plays but I do know that in Hydra Chat this man told me that you should be town reading us but you aren’t and he said you should know his meta better.
You also haven’t mentioned my side of the hydra once.

Your read on us is fake and isn’t genuine, your vote on us has no meaning.
Either get a real reason for wolf reading us and explain that reason, or admit your read is fake and get a new one.

[professotic]

I feel like Bunny and Mastina have high partner equity tbh.

I disagree. I can’t figure out who with but it’s unlikely bunny. I don’t think she points out the question that no one else did if aligned with Mastina

It’s the way bunny reacted to Furtive.


Also it’s more likely a wolf responds to their partner like that.
Seen it done before, easy to accomplish.

[mastina]

Mastina, where's the Korina read coming from? They've done literally nothing and are getting replaced, so I don't see how they can be anything but null

Seconded. Korina tends to flake as both alignments.

So does Yume, that doesn't mean you can't get a read on Yume based on her time in the game, including her first post.

Same concept for Korina. Korina can flake as either alignment--but Korina's singular post was still a scum entrance.

VOTE: enchant
Will read later
Also

@mod - reoccurring v/la monday/tuesday

This post has absolutely zero rvs vibes to it and yet absolutely zero content to it.

Korina said "will read later"--in other words, the Enchant vote is not based on any content in the game so far.

Yet Korina's vote on Enchant was blank. Empty. Reasonless.

There was no flair to it.

There was no reasoning given. There was no statement behind the Enchant vote. No joke. Nothing. Just a naked Enchant vote--that by Korina's "will read later", was not off of anything Korina had read. Korina gave no context behind the Enchant vote. Korina gave no justification for it. If Korina had read the game, then an Enchant vote could make sense. If Korina gave a reason for voting Enchant then it would make sense as an RVS.

But a naked vote that implies reading, while having stated you haven't read, is a scum post.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Mastina

Guess we’re doing this then since you refuse to “re-evaluate” (since you never really evaluate being scum)

There’s millions of different reasons for that Korina vote. You’re adding inferences that just aren’t there.

She could have looked at enchant’s jokey entry post
She could have skimmed that page and saw it there

The fact is we don’t know.

I do however know that I am town.

If you’re going to spam the game with irrelevant bullshit without explaining what I am doing that is scummy and focusing on inane boring irrelevant stuff then let’s go.

You’re either elimmed or I get to E-1 I claim then you’re elimmed.

So I get a scum elim either way it’s just a matter of how destructive you are going to be Mastina.

[mastina]

Lol really?
Like this is ridiculous.

Mastina I think scum slipped hard with the 6.

By the way: this is MathBlade doing the "projecting the reason for the scumread he THINKS they have" thing.

Which is a signature of his scumgame.

As per usual, he got it wrong.

As a matter of fact, yes! I DO think that MathBlade scumslipped hard with his mention of the 6.

But you know where I said that?

Spoiler: spoilered for length

I have a very important post about why I think there is at least one scumteam with 3 players and that they have TMI'd this to be the case and why I think that,
I DO think that at least one scumteam TMI'd there being a scumteam of 3 tho--in part because of the reactions to my post, and them thinking "oh mastina scumslipped she's one of the other scumteam".
Will explain what I mean tomorrow but I'm VERY confident in this because I know something the other scumteam doesn't. (Well, two things. One being that I am town.)
So I think they fucked themselves over.

Crap I have a very important post about why I think there is at least one scumteam with 3 players and that they have TMI'd this to be the case and why I think that,
And I was gonna write it tonight,

(Basically I think we have guaranteed scum here--it's not a surefire thing for both teams to be teams of 3, but I am convinced there is at least one team of 3, and that team of 3 believed that I am on the other scumteam and by virtue of them being a team of 3, they assumed their mirror is also a team of 3, and assuming that, assumed that my mention of 6 scum was a scumslip of me being on the other team. Ironically in the process scumslipping themselves. Where they TMI'd in response to what they thought was TMI.)

There’s probably at least one scumteam of 3, which believes that I scumslipped.

Now, for the proof.
Okay, so basically:

REJOICE! For your SAVIOR is--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.

Hi I am a maso--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.

Hi, I am town.

(Okay but for real, I intend to be a BEACON this game, REVEALING the TRUE COLORS of all.)

These were my opening posts in the game.

Read them, and think about them from the perspective of this being a game where:
We don't know if it's normal mafia multiball without extremely special flair,
We don't know if it's a cult game with usual cult mechanics,
And we don't know if it's somewhere between the two extremes.

We don't know if we start the game with only two scum (altho we can infer it's doubtful), we don't know if we start the game with eight scum (altho I laid out why I believe that's doubtful), we don't know that the scumteams are symmetrical, we don't know that the scumteams have the same mechanics, we don't know how many scum are on a team.

To be fair, unless the mod specifically gave them information about their opposing scumteam, the scum don't know if the scum have the same mechanics/size as each other. However, you get the idea. The town doesn't know

anything

about the scum, other than that there are two different scumteams. That's it. That's what they know.

Okay, so given that:
The proof of what I'm saying is in my opening post:
My opening post implies that there’s cult recruitment. I roleplayed abandoning a claim of leading a cult, and roleplayed abandoning a cult-fakeclaiming-Mason claim.

If there were two scumteams of 1-2 each with a recruitment mechanic, they would view my post as a scumslip. (Or, heck, even if only one scumteam was that way.) My opening two posts can--very very easily--be read as me being cult. I am known for being an incredibly cheeky scumfuck. I am known for claiming mason as a cult leader. I am known for not bothering to hide that I am scum and being very open as to the how and the mechanics used, telling huge truths.

Including being the type to be cheeky enough to claim scum in my first post--I've done it before, multiple times. (I can show those scumteams if you want to see the examples yourselves, but yes, scumastina is known for that sort of thing.)


Alright, so let's break this down so far, to make sure you're following.
REMEMBER:
We don't know if it's normal mafia multiball without extremely special flair, a cult game with usual cult mechanics, or somewhere between the two extremes. We don't know how many scum start in the game, if the scumteams are symmetrical, or if the scum share the same mechanics.

My opening post was one that could be seen as either a deliberate cheeky scumfuck post,
Or even as an accidental scumslip.

"mastina slipped that this is a cult game where the scum have voting powers".
That is an argument that could have easily been made by players.
"mastina is being a cheeky scumfuck telling us that she's a cultist in her first post".
That is an argument that could have easily been made by players.

Nobody did, though. Nobody thought that my opening post was a scumslip. Nobody thought that my opening post was me being a cheeky scumfuck.

If there were a scumteam of 1-2 scum, why didn't they think I was their counterpart?

They might not want to say it's a scumslip per se, but they could still use it as a reason to push me. They could scumread me, they could press me, without revealing their TMI. If someone were on a scumteam of 1-2 and saw my opening post, they would think my opening post was TMI. And thinking that, they could use this to push me. Except nobody did. The first vote on me?

VOTE: mastina

This, which was

after

my post 92, and

after

the first player calling attention to my 92.

Which suggests that there isn't actually two factions of 1-2.

If there was two factions of 1-2, they should've seen my

opening

post as the scumslip

. Yet they didn't.

So, what does that tell you?

That at least one faction has three, and precisely three, members.

And this faction genuinely believes that I TMI'd thanks to THEM having TMI.

Notably, proof of this is in MathBlade's replacement.

REJOICE! For your SAVIOR is--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.
Hi I am a maso--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.
Hi, I am town.

Wdm cult game
Cult is just flavor, it's not confirmed they can convert.

Not sure about this post. The OP says cult conversion is neither confirmed nor denied.
Has there been an explicit message somewhere I missed?

Notice something?

In this post, MathBlade sees me imply a 1-2 member cult mafia faction but

doesn't think it's suspicious

.

(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but for

now

, this'll do.)

This post by Mastina is suspicious.
It’s clear from the presenters here we don’t know if cult can recruit.
Yet somehow Mastina ends up on 6 because why?
VOTE: mastina

Yet here, me stating ~6 scum, MathBlade sees as suspect.

So the crux of the issue then becomes:

Why was the 3-man scumteam callout considered a scumslip, but the 1-2-man cult callout

not

considered a scumslip?

If MathBlade were town, then

my very first post

should have pinged him as a scumslip showing TMI of a 1-2-man cult.
If MathBlade were a member of a 1-2-man scumteam, he should have thought my opening post was a scumslip showing TMI of being his opposite.

But MathBlade didn't react to my first post being a cult game callout.

MathBlade only reacted to my post where I made the callout of a

three-man

scumteam.

And this is true of all the players who have gone on to suspect me.
Their pressure on me didn't begin until

after

144.

(Side-note, Bunnyonce might be scum, too, but if so is on the

opposite

team.)

So what does all of this mean?

That there is a scumteam with three members, who believed that my callout of there being six scum in the game was me as the opposite scumteam doing a TMI scumslip--when themselves ironically TMI'ing.

I still think that team is {MathBlade, professotic, Frozen Angel}, but obviously, I am behind and need to read the game.

MathBlade thought that I was saying he was scum for thinking 6 scum. While I DO, it wasn't until 602 that I did.

So why was it that MathBlade assumed it way way way back in 365? Let's quote 364.

VOTE: Scarecrow

VOTE: mastina

FoS on Titus. Don’t see how she’s getting her reads.

FoS on StD

Oh yeah MathBlade's lockscum here; he's literally voting/pushing the four towniest* slots in the game.

(*Admittedly one of them, me, requires knowledge of my alignment. I've not towned it up yet. But MathBlade is literally FoSing/voting three of the towniest slots in the game, with me as a fourth--I get that MathBlade can have bad towngames, but this is not an entrance MathBlade ever has as town.

There's a lot more, but tbh I wasn't planning on posting here today at all. In fact I explicitly was trying to take today as a rest day. But I couldn't let this go unsaid; MathBlade is 200% scum here. The above is a big reason but there's more reasons beyond that; I can explain those reasons when I actually feel like posting.)

MathBlade's 365 was in direct response to 364.

So tell me:

What in my 364 made MathBlade think that my scumread on him came from mentioning the 6 scum?

I

did

develop a stronger scumread on MathBlade for that--

250 posts later

.
But nothing in 364 even

remotely

hints on it. I genuinely didn't even have the THOUGHT until Yesterday at ~4 PM.

I developed the scumslip of 6 scum theory on Sunday, at 4 PM pacific

. (I have it in my diary/journal to myself. Obviously, no screenshots since said diary is personal, but like. I was at work. I had a flash of inspiration while I was guarding at 3:45 or so. So at 4, I wrote it down to make sure I didn't forget.)

So HOW did MathBlade think I had that theory when it wasn't until a

full 24 hours later

that I developed it???

MathBlade thought I was scumreading him for 6 scum, a full 24 hours before I developed the 6 scum tmi scumslip theory.

From a post that was self-explanatory in why I was scumreading him.

I said that MathBlade was scum for scumreading the four towniest slots in the game--how, from a post saying MB is scum for scumreading the 4 towniest slots in the game, did MB get "mastina is scumreading me for 6 scum theory" from a post that had nothing of the sort?

It's MathBlade projecting because he knows the scumslip he made.

[MathBlade]

Lol really?
Like this is ridiculous.

Mastina I think scum slipped hard with the 6.

By the way: this is MathBlade doing the "projecting the reason for the scumread he THINKS they have" thing.

Which is a signature of his scumgame.

As per usual, he got it wrong.

As a matter of fact, yes! I DO think that MathBlade scumslipped hard with his mention of the 6.

But you know where I said that?

Spoiler: spoilered for length

I have a very important post about why I think there is at least one scumteam with 3 players and that they have TMI'd this to be the case and why I think that,
I DO think that at least one scumteam TMI'd there being a scumteam of 3 tho--in part because of the reactions to my post, and them thinking "oh mastina scumslipped she's one of the other scumteam".
Will explain what I mean tomorrow but I'm VERY confident in this because I know something the other scumteam doesn't. (Well, two things. One being that I am town.)
So I think they fucked themselves over.

Crap I have a very important post about why I think there is at least one scumteam with 3 players and that they have TMI'd this to be the case and why I think that,
And I was gonna write it tonight,

(Basically I think we have guaranteed scum here--it's not a surefire thing for both teams to be teams of 3, but I am convinced there is at least one team of 3, and that team of 3 believed that I am on the other scumteam and by virtue of them being a team of 3, they assumed their mirror is also a team of 3, and assuming that, assumed that my mention of 6 scum was a scumslip of me being on the other team. Ironically in the process scumslipping themselves. Where they TMI'd in response to what they thought was TMI.)

There’s probably at least one scumteam of 3, which believes that I scumslipped.

Now, for the proof.
Okay, so basically:

REJOICE! For your SAVIOR is--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.

Hi I am a maso--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.

Hi, I am town.

(Okay but for real, I intend to be a BEACON this game, REVEALING the TRUE COLORS of all.)

These were my opening posts in the game.

Read them, and think about them from the perspective of this being a game where:
We don't know if it's normal mafia multiball without extremely special flair,
We don't know if it's a cult game with usual cult mechanics,
And we don't know if it's somewhere between the two extremes.

We don't know if we start the game with only two scum (altho we can infer it's doubtful), we don't know if we start the game with eight scum (altho I laid out why I believe that's doubtful), we don't know that the scumteams are symmetrical, we don't know that the scumteams have the same mechanics, we don't know how many scum are on a team.

To be fair, unless the mod specifically gave them information about their opposing scumteam, the scum don't know if the scum have the same mechanics/size as each other. However, you get the idea. The town doesn't know

anything

about the scum, other than that there are two different scumteams. That's it. That's what they know.

Okay, so given that:
The proof of what I'm saying is in my opening post:
My opening post implies that there’s cult recruitment. I roleplayed abandoning a claim of leading a cult, and roleplayed abandoning a cult-fakeclaiming-Mason claim.

If there were two scumteams of 1-2 each with a recruitment mechanic, they would view my post as a scumslip. (Or, heck, even if only one scumteam was that way.) My opening two posts can--very very easily--be read as me being cult. I am known for being an incredibly cheeky scumfuck. I am known for claiming mason as a cult leader. I am known for not bothering to hide that I am scum and being very open as to the how and the mechanics used, telling huge truths.

Including being the type to be cheeky enough to claim scum in my first post--I've done it before, multiple times. (I can show those scumteams if you want to see the examples yourselves, but yes, scumastina is known for that sort of thing.)


Alright, so let's break this down so far, to make sure you're following.
REMEMBER:
We don't know if it's normal mafia multiball without extremely special flair, a cult game with usual cult mechanics, or somewhere between the two extremes. We don't know how many scum start in the game, if the scumteams are symmetrical, or if the scum share the same mechanics.

My opening post was one that could be seen as either a deliberate cheeky scumfuck post,
Or even as an accidental scumslip.

"mastina slipped that this is a cult game where the scum have voting powers".
That is an argument that could have easily been made by players.
"mastina is being a cheeky scumfuck telling us that she's a cultist in her first post".
That is an argument that could have easily been made by players.

Nobody did, though. Nobody thought that my opening post was a scumslip. Nobody thought that my opening post was me being a cheeky scumfuck.

If there were a scumteam of 1-2 scum, why didn't they think I was their counterpart?

They might not want to say it's a scumslip per se, but they could still use it as a reason to push me. They could scumread me, they could press me, without revealing their TMI. If someone were on a scumteam of 1-2 and saw my opening post, they would think my opening post was TMI. And thinking that, they could use this to push me. Except nobody did. The first vote on me?

VOTE: mastina

This, which was

after

my post 92, and

after

the first player calling attention to my 92.

Which suggests that there isn't actually two factions of 1-2.

If there was two factions of 1-2, they should've seen my

opening

post as the scumslip

. Yet they didn't.

So, what does that tell you?

That at least one faction has three, and precisely three, members.

And this faction genuinely believes that I TMI'd thanks to THEM having TMI.

Notably, proof of this is in MathBlade's replacement.

REJOICE! For your SAVIOR is--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.
Hi I am a maso--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.
Hi, I am town.

Wdm cult game
Cult is just flavor, it's not confirmed they can convert.

Not sure about this post. The OP says cult conversion is neither confirmed nor denied.
Has there been an explicit message somewhere I missed?

Notice something?

In this post, MathBlade sees me imply a 1-2 member cult mafia faction but

doesn't think it's suspicious

.

(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but for

now

, this'll do.)

This post by Mastina is suspicious.
It’s clear from the presenters here we don’t know if cult can recruit.
Yet somehow Mastina ends up on 6 because why?
VOTE: mastina

Yet here, me stating ~6 scum, MathBlade sees as suspect.

So the crux of the issue then becomes:

Why was the 3-man scumteam callout considered a scumslip, but the 1-2-man cult callout

not

considered a scumslip?

If MathBlade were town, then

my very first post

should have pinged him as a scumslip showing TMI of a 1-2-man cult.
If MathBlade were a member of a 1-2-man scumteam, he should have thought my opening post was a scumslip showing TMI of being his opposite.

But MathBlade didn't react to my first post being a cult game callout.

MathBlade only reacted to my post where I made the callout of a

three-man

scumteam.

And this is true of all the players who have gone on to suspect me.
Their pressure on me didn't begin until

after

144.

(Side-note, Bunnyonce might be scum, too, but if so is on the

opposite

team.)

So what does all of this mean?

That there is a scumteam with three members, who believed that my callout of there being six scum in the game was me as the opposite scumteam doing a TMI scumslip--when themselves ironically TMI'ing.

I still think that team is {MathBlade, professotic, Frozen Angel}, but obviously, I am behind and need to read the game.

MathBlade thought that I was saying he was scum for thinking 6 scum. While I DO, it wasn't until 602 that I did.

So why was it that MathBlade assumed it way way way back in 365? Let's quote 364.

VOTE: Scarecrow

VOTE: mastina

FoS on Titus. Don’t see how she’s getting her reads.

FoS on StD

Oh yeah MathBlade's lockscum here; he's literally voting/pushing the four towniest* slots in the game.

(*Admittedly one of them, me, requires knowledge of my alignment. I've not towned it up yet. But MathBlade is literally FoSing/voting three of the towniest slots in the game, with me as a fourth--I get that MathBlade can have bad towngames, but this is not an entrance MathBlade ever has as town.

There's a lot more, but tbh I wasn't planning on posting here today at all. In fact I explicitly was trying to take today as a rest day. But I couldn't let this go unsaid; MathBlade is 200% scum here. The above is a big reason but there's more reasons beyond that; I can explain those reasons when I actually feel like posting.)

MathBlade's 365 was in direct response to 364.

So tell me:

What in my 364 made MathBlade think that my scumread on him came from mentioning the 6 scum?

I

did

develop a stronger scumread on MathBlade for that--

250 posts later

.
But nothing in 364 even

remotely

hints on it. I genuinely didn't even have the THOUGHT until Yesterday at ~4 PM.

I developed the scumslip of 6 scum theory on Sunday, at 4 PM pacific

. (I have it in my diary/journal to myself. Obviously, no screenshots since said diary is personal, but like. I was at work. I had a flash of inspiration while I was guarding at 3:45 or so. So at 4, I wrote it down to make sure I didn't forget.)

So HOW did MathBlade think I had that theory when it wasn't until a

full 24 hours later

that I developed it???

MathBlade thought I was scumreading him for 6 scum, a full 24 hours before I developed the 6 scum tmi scumslip theory.

From a post that was self-explanatory in why I was scumreading him.

I said that MathBlade was scum for scumreading the four towniest slots in the game--how, from a post saying MB is scum for scumreading the 4 towniest slots in the game, did MB get "mastina is scumreading me for 6 scum theory" from a post that had nothing of the sort?

It's MathBlade projecting because he knows the scumslip he made.

This is damn near Trumpian in nature.

You are again adding things that aren’t there.

The first half of 365 is why you’re doing what you’re doing.

The second half is elaborating on those reads.

You’re connecting the first and the second when I did not quote that post in that manner.

Like what the absolute duck is going on in your head that this is even a remotely viable argument?

[mastina]

I liked most of mastina's reads but I 100% disagree on her read on Math.
He could be wrong in his reads but I don't think that it makes him scum.

Sure, in of itself, MathBlade can have a towngame that atrocious. Scumreading four of the towniest slots in the game isn't impossible.

But it's also who the names are in question.
And MathBlade's experience with the players.
And then on top of that, the reasons for the reads.
And how he is pushing them.

The reads themselves are not in of themselves damning. If you want to have basic respect for MathBlade's competency as a town player, you should be at being

that

off-base and THAT wrong and THAT out-of-touch. But admittedly, it's not impossible; MathBlade has bad towngames.

The reasons used, the players the reads are on, and his experience with them? All of those make it a

lot

more damning.

There is also the gamestate in question. MathBlade's suspicion on those players is strategic. It is his attempt to give scum a way back into the game.

Literally everything MathBlade is doing is scum this game, and I mean it. Everything. He is not remotely his town self. None of his towntells are present.

[MathBlade]

Lol really?

Like this is ridiculous.

Mastina I think scum slipped hard with the 6.
No one bothers to track her down or ask why until Bunny,

Instead people focus on FA minutia that’s absolutely less than what Mastina did.

——— ^^ Comments on why Mastina is scum ——

——- VV Comments on the reads and players mentioned where I elaborate on my concerns —-

Titus who is a person who loves to read by mech didn’t point anything out? Instead she wants Bunny who quite frankly is one of the few towntold people in my catch-up and professor why? That makes no sense. She’d also support a lurker wagon on my slot specifically despite the many lurkers.

StD is very tunnelled if town at this point to argue FA is scum but yet not notice Mastina mech

The arguments are contradictory and non existent.

Instead you just call the slots “Townie” and therefore I am scum.

That conclusion doesn’t follow any premise. It’s well known that I tend to disagree with popular opinion at times no matter my alignment.

This entrance I assure you is 100% something I have done as town and I will do and continue to do so.

This is a whole lot of nothing burger.

Like if you’re going to discuss something at least put in the post.

[mastina]

It’s well known that I tend to disagree with popular opinion at times no matter my alignment.

Sure, but this is you doing that as scum under the belief you would do it as town--but the way you did it betrayed being scum.

[MathBlade]

I liked most of mastina's reads but I 100% disagree on her read on Math.
He could be wrong in his reads but I don't think that it makes him scum.

Sure, in of itself, MathBlade can have a towngame that atrocious. Scumreading four of the towniest slots in the game isn't impossible.

But it's also who the names are in question.
And MathBlade's experience with the players.
And then on top of that, the reasons for the reads.
And how he is pushing them.

The reads themselves are not in of themselves damning. If you want to have basic respect for MathBlade's competency as a town player, you should be at being

that

off-base and THAT wrong and THAT out-of-touch. But admittedly, it's not impossible; MathBlade has bad towngames.

The reasons used, the players the reads are on, and his experience with them? All of those make it a

lot

more damning.

There is also the gamestate in question. MathBlade's suspicion on those players is strategic. It is his attempt to give scum a way back into the game.

Literally everything MathBlade is doing is scum this game, and I mean it. Everything. He is not remotely his town self. None of his towntells are present.

Oh honey I am so looking forward and salivating your scum flip so damn hard.

This is

exactly

my laid back strategic puzzle piece moving town game.

I am 95% sure you are scum here because you haven’t seen the many many many hints if you are scum as to just how dead you are if you some how successful in miselimming me.

I was content to let you spew but this is downright ridiculous.

[mastina]

Flail harder

Btw I'm like 90% sure MathBlade uses the phrase "flail harder" disproportionately as scum.

He

has

used it as town--but I'm pretty sure it's a scumtell.
In the sense of an actual tell.

A tell that is not 100%. It's not like every usage of "flail harder" from MathBlade is gonna be scum.

But I'd wager that it's well above 50.

In the ~75% (give or take 10%) range.

Where ~75% of the time it's MB as scum and only ~25% as town.

So, a tell that indicates MathBlade as scum but doesn't outright confirm he is.

Given the mountain of evidence against him tho, it certainly seems to be the 75%!

[MegAzumarill]

Reminder to keep things civil. Nobody has crossed that line yet but I don't want people to start to.

[mastina]

If I had to guess at scumteams, my current guess would be {FA, professotic, MathBlade} | {Bunnyonce, Radja?, ???}.
But obviously not final.

Btw I stand by this solve, so far.

I'm not gonna be able to get caught up tonight. (If I'm not in bed an hour from now I'm late, and at the rate I'm going I ain't getting to page 30.)

But so far, everything points to the {FA, professotic, MathBlade} scumteam, and I think Bunnyonce is scum but Bunnyonce individually has anti-partner tells with literally all three of FA/professotic/MB, so Bunnyonce looks like scum but can't be scum with those three. (And yes those three all match as scum with each other.)

[MathBlade]

If you’re town on that 5% odds you are, back the fuck off. Now.

Let me go back to lurking and actually provide your overview of the entire game.

Provide a view of both/all scum teams I know you’re capable of doing,

A good half if not more realizes exactly what I am doing here Mastina.

You are quite literally dead wrong pretty soon if you don’t re-evaluate.

It’s only a matter of when, not if.

And I am going to step away before I get too angry to post

[Radical Rat]

I'm here, mostly prodging tbh.

Still haven't gotten around to reading properly, and I apologize for that, but I will say that based on just this page, MathBlade vs mastina is either TvT or two opposing scum factions.

It's hard for me to go into detail on, since I haven't actually... Read details.
But they do both seem genuinely convinced in pushing each other. It doesn't look manufactured from at least this bit of the argument.

As for which I personally think is the case... That'd require reading, which I WILL do... Eventually.

[MathBlade]

One last thing sorry

I am trying to lurk and trying to listen for a very important reason because if I become tunnel me it’s even more disastrous than usual for my tunnel game. If that doesn’t spell out

exactly

why I am playing this game the way I am and why I want people to provide that overview it will become painfully apparent.

For today I claim 1 shot video game player troubleshooter abandoned children (it’s a video game like XCOM look it up it’s quite fun)

[mastina]

Mathblade replaces Korina.

Confirming my replace in. I am working so haven’t read.
Anywhere I should read on my break?

Btw to give an idea of how scum MathBlade is, even this first post is minor scum. It's admittedly only like 2%, 52-48, but ever so

slightly

, this is a scum entrance from MathBlade.

Did you bother to calculate the standard deviation Mastina?

The numbers I used are estimations, never precise percentages. I use percentage numbers to give a visual descriptor to people. 'ever so slightly' is considered vague, '52%' quantifies it. The 52% is not actually a real quantity, but it is useful shorthand to give a number that helps people understand what 'ever so slightly' is meant to be.

In this case specifically, the replacement is ever so slightly scum because it looks like scum that has to catch up in two different topics, rather than just one. It feels like scum that needs time to adjust. The wording used is important. It looks like a post specifically meant to appease the town, rather than a genuine request. It looks like a post that is made to not look suspicious. Rather than a post actually gathering info.

It's only slightly, because obviously, you make similar posts as both alignments when replacing in.

But, the 2% is notable--2% on its own might not be enough.

2% on top of the myriad of other reasons?

THAT, on the other hand......

[MathBlade]

So in other words you made it up.

I really have to quit posting now.

[mastina]

Yay welcome to people who claim to read me yet almost no one on MS can.
What’s new?

This is basically a scumfession from MathBlade--

If he thought I was scum, then he wouldn't think I was reading him wrong, now, would he?

If I were scum, then my read on him would be a scum agenda.

So him saying this is basically him saying I am town.

[mastina]

Mastina is proving herself scum here.

I might not have townned it up pre-Saturday, I'd be the first to admit that.

But from Saturday onward there is zero universe where anyone who's played with me can genuinely think I'm scum.

[mastina]

If you did an actual analysis versus computation you’d have noticed a common word pattern.

Oh I did. It's the word pattern that makes it a tell.

It's annoyingly hard to

explain

, because how do I explain one word pattern being town versus one pattern being scum? I don't know how.

But I did that work and this is your scum patterns.

[mastina]

She has an emotional “tell” to me. That’s not the right phrasing but I can’t think of better.

She sure does!

She's displayed it already.

And I am pretty sure she showed the scum version of it.

[mastina]

I'm still here, still haven't properly read. My less-busy section of week is approaching and I'll do a proper reading then, pinky swear.
For now though, rough instinct says MathBlade Town.

Hmm.

VOTE: professotic
I can't really quantify it, but it feels like they're playing looking for someone to kill rather than looking for scum. Just the way they're engaging feels... Wrong.

Mastina, where's the Korina read coming from? They've done literally nothing and are getting replaced, so I don't see how they can be anything but null

Oh I think I found the third scum on the Bunnyone scumteam!

I actually think I'm more sure on RR being scum than on Radja, tbh.

Radical Rat isn't scum with any of FA/professotic/MathBlade but I think he's scum now.

(I don't remember why I had him as town but looking at this post, it just ~clicked~.)

So that's:
SCUM TEAM ONE: {FA, professotic, MathBlade}

SCUM TEAM TWO: {Bunnyonce, Radical Rat, ?Radja?}.

[mastina]

Actually, no.
I reread our Hydra Chat and I was right beforehand.
My memory's bad.
-Rubella

So you and Ircher think Math’s town and Roden is the one who’s sr him. Got it.
I haven’t heard any self-pitying posts about popularly yet, so I’ll take that as good sign for now. No offence @Math but if you ever do that I’ll yeet you into next week.
eta: just saw MMR’s most recent post, Ircher hasn’t expressed a read.
@Math it’s fine. <3

Don’t worry. I don’t think I will be yeeted this game.
Call it a good hunch.
I think today goes (barring wild swings) professor wagon dies or maybe not but I won’t join it.
I give professor wagon a 75% chance of collapse here as it seems like a remnant of RVS.
Then we see if theory of scumfluence is right.

Btw if you want more proof Math's scum here, remember who Math pushed as scum?
How MathBlade was calling Titus scum?
Titus is a part of PPF.

Does this look like a post where town is talking to a slot they scumread?

Sure doesn't look like it to me!

MathBlade knows that Past Present Future are town--which makes you wonder why he called them scum in the first place.

Almost like...he had an agenda.

A scum one.

[mastina]

Let me say this much.
PPF, Mastina and Radical are NEVER all town.
They contain at minimum 1 wolf, I don’t directly think all 3 are wolves but 2 is decently probable.

Oh you have a fairly good odds of being right on RR but PPF and I are both 100% town and this was not a post made actually expecting there to be a scum within. You thought it was three town so if there's scum in there it's purely coincidental tbh.