Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[Past Present Future]

I don’t follow your question though. So not sure what you want comment on otherwise

Well first off, Prof is dumbtelling about the setup for the second time now and people have explained to him that it’s multiball and considering he’s in a hydra, does tictac not know this either?

Secondly, he is suddenly questioning his read on you yet agreeing with your Mastina sr? Does that not make you wonder at all?

If someone was sheeping my vote but then expressed doubt on my slot, I’d definitely be questioning that.

[MathBlade]

I don’t follow your question though. So not sure what you want comment on otherwise

Well first off, Prof is dumbtelling about the setup for the second time now and people have explained to him that it’s multiball and considering he’s in a hydra, does tictac not know this either?

Secondly, he is suddenly questioning his read on you yet agreeing with your Mastina sr? Does that not make you wonder at all?

If someone was sheeping my vote but then expressed doubt on my slot, I’d definitely be questioning that.

That is a good point.

I will think on that a bit.

I am also being deliberate in trying *not* to be the focus of attention believe it or not.

The one thing I am pretty sure of is Mastina is scum or she is so far separated from my TRs and my alignment that she’s de facto scum. If a scum from another team wants to help me elim scum from another I am not exactly going to say no.

[Frozen Angel]

Mastina using more words doesnt make something less or more logical

neither bolding it

the only thing it does is it makes it like you really want others to feel like you're passionate about something. yet I'm not sure whats there to be even passionate about as you're practically repeating your non existant logics in 200 different forms in back to back posts and act as if you're angry for some reason for posting them?!

who even asked you about my meta in first place that you went all this way to post about it in such fashion?

and your logic/not your mech spec about numbers doesn't justify the full team list thing that you keep posting. if this is from town, its like throwing random names and hoping one would stick yet it seems way more calculated than that.

so vote stays

[Past Present Future]

This is just comedic at how bad this is.

I just *cant*

Like you’re walking in a heavenly bakery and calling it hell bad.

I’m sorry but for anyone who thinks Mastina isn’t a wolf.
Mastina is just straight out blatantly lying and being fake.

And not just about meta.

This is just comedic at how bad this is.

I just *cant*

Like you’re walking in a heavenly bakery and calling it hell bad.

And before anyone complains this one post is completely cooked up to sort one and exactly one specific slot and I will check my cookies to see if they understand the context of why I was laughing at Mastina’s posts so damn hard.

Not a single one of these posts is going to convince anyone of anything - especially that’s she’s scum. I thought for sure Drap had to be scum in LOST for completely ignoring my posts and deathtunnelling me for idiotic reasons but sadly, he seriously was that bad and if town here, has learned basically nothing from that game. Sorry Drap but if you’re town here, do better. No one is going to either spam or AtE me into thinking anything.

Nancy — I will be blunt here. Quite possibly too blunt here.

I am giving your slot a chance to be sorted.

Show Titus this exchange.

I am pretty shiro she will see what I am saying here and that Mastina is either scum or so atrociously bad here she might as well be.

I’m not saying I agree with her reads but I actually think she believes them. I’m saying her recent posts don’t looked fake to me. That scumgame you linked earlier looked extremely obviously fake to me but this looks to me like Pokemon Battles’ Mastina, just the way she’s expressing her thoughts. If you have a Mastina scumgame where she did that, feel free to link it but this looks like town!Mastina to me.

[Past Present Future]

I don’t follow your question though. So not sure what you want comment on otherwise

Well first off, Prof is dumbtelling about the setup for the second time now and people have explained to him that it’s multiball and considering he’s in a hydra, does tictac not know this either?

Secondly, he is suddenly questioning his read on you yet agreeing with your Mastina sr? Does that not make you wonder at all?

If someone was sheeping my vote but then expressed doubt on my slot, I’d definitely be questioning that.

That is a good point.

I will think on that a bit.

I am also being deliberate in trying *not* to be the focus of attention believe it or not.

The one thing I am pretty sure of is Mastina is scum or she is so far separated from my TRs and my alignment that she’s de facto scum. If a scum from another team wants to help me elim scum from another I am not exactly going to say no.

And fypov it’s impossible for her to be town and wrong?

[Frozen Angel]

I’m not saying I agree with her reads but I actually think she believes them. I’m saying her recent posts don’t looked fake to me. That scumgame you linked earlier looked extremely obviously fake to me but this looks to me like Pokemon Battles’ Mastina, just the way she’s expressing her thoughts. If you have a Mastina scumgame where she did that, feel free to link it but this looks like town!Mastina to me.

No I actually think she is acting hard to make you think she believes them. there is a huge logic gap between what direction she is pushing and the conclusions she get that she is just filling in between with long repetitive posting

I actually think she is looking for some scum too in middle of those fluff, but I feel like she is more interested in her own status and to act like a frustrated "leader" than to solve the game and I find that just scum motivated

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89363

This is scum!Mastina in a multiball

I called out her and flavor leaf’s actions to a T and no one believed me. It was infuriating.

So if Mastina talks enough I believe I can figure her out and her buddies.

I just need her not to spam the thread with absolute crap.

She might be scum who believes me scum,

But I find that very unlikely.

Like shooting star unlikely.

[MathBlade]

And if she is town she really needs to reread those posts she says belong in the scum PT

Because that interpretation is really shooting blanks

[MathBlade]

She’s pushing me because I am an absolute threat to her.

My opinion is that she needs me to be scum versus believing I am.

[Past Present Future]

Mastina using more words doesnt make something less or more logical

neither bolding it

the only thing it does is it makes it like you really want others to feel like you're passionate about something. yet I'm not sure whats there to be even passionate about as you're practically repeating your non existant logics in 200 different forms in back to back posts and act as if you're angry for some reason for posting them?!

who even asked you about my meta in first place that you went all this way to post about it in such fashion?

and your logic/not your mech spec about numbers doesn't justify the full team list thing that you keep posting. if this is from town, its like throwing random names and hoping one would stick yet it seems way more calculated than that.

so vote stays

Idk it sounds like pretty much every game I’ve ever played with Mastina. Except of course with the games where she didn’t do that and she was far more likely to be scum in those. Like the scumgame Math linked, she sounds really different here.

Especially the most recent posts.

[Frozen Angel]

And fypov it’s impossible for her to be town and wrong?

nothing is ever impossible. one can claim scum and be town. can't understimate humanity or consider your guesses about them certain and to claim you have it all figured out

but seriously check 737:

Maybe mastina would like to finally confirm for us if she thinks FA is in her scum or town meta?

I already did, repeatedly.

My stance on FA I really don't get why y'all don't understand it, I'm being as clear as I can.

Frozen Angel has a night/day difference between her towngame and scumgame.
This is very damn strongly obvious. Her alignments could not be more distinct.

I

know

the differences IN the meta. I can identify the differences between one meta and the other. Just by her entrance into this game, I could tell FA was playing to her standard play as her alignment.
As in, if this is FA as town it is 100% her towngame;
If this is FA as scum it is 100% her scumgame.

If I have seen her towngame recently, I would instantly be able to tell her alignment in every game--because her play in this game is 100% matching to her meta, just by remembering what her towngame is, I'd be able to tell if it were matching that or matching the opposite.

If I had seen her scumgame recently, would instantly be able to tell her alignment in every game--because her play in this game is 100% matching to her meta, just by remembering what her scumgame is, I'd be able to tell if it were matching that or matching the opposite.

FA's metas are distinct enough that I can instantly tell when she is playing to one of them.

But my memory is rusted enough that it's not 100% on which is which.

I am like 90% sure that this is the scum meta.
But I am 100% sure that she is playing 100% to the typical meta for her current alignment.

If I had seen FA more recently, I'd be able to make the 90% into a 100% and that would make me 100% sure on her 100% playing 100% to that alignment.
But the 90% on a 100% is still pretty damn high.

The only thing that keeps it from being the most lockread of lockread is being rusty on FA gameplay.

Her alignment is transparently obvious if you've played with her recently. It is 100% her Xgame, where X = her alignment this game. If you've seen her play, and if you know about the night/day difference, then you should be able to tell what X equals, and therefore have a 100% guaranteed accuracy on FA.

I just haven't played with her recently--thus, I need to look it up.
When I actually do my research and refresh my memory on which meta is which, I will know FA's alignment 100% because she is 100% playing to her meta for her current alignment and I know the differences between her two metas.


OH I JUST FIGURED OUT A MUCH SIMPLER WAY TO EXPLAIN ALL OF THIS.

Imagine that we're talking about Creature.
Say you know that Creature posts a shitload as one alignment, and hardcore lurks as the other.
You see this trait present in the current game, where he is either posting a shitload, or he is hardcore lurking. Not an in-between. 100% posting a shitload, or 100% hardcore lurking.

You know that this stark contrast is alignment-indicative for Creature.

But you don't remember which is which.
You're

pretty

sure that the hardcore lurking meta is the scum one. So, say this is a game where Creature is hardcore lurking. You are thus

pretty

sure that Creature is scum. You KNOW that he has a night/day difference between the town/scum metas, you can SEE the difference in live time by seeing that he is hardcore lurking and know that hardcore lurking is either the brightest of bright days or the darkest of dark nights in being a huge alignment indicators.
But you're rusty on Creature and can't FOR SURE remember it, in spite of being pretty sure it's the scum meta.


...Does that make sense?

That's my read on FA.
I am

pretty

sure that this meta is FA's scum one. So I am

pretty

sure that FA is scum. I KNOW she has a night/day difference between the town/scum metas, can SEE the difference in live time. But I'm rusty on FA and can't FOR SURE remember it, in spite of being pretty sure it's the scum meta.

sorry for the headache of this post ^ and me showing it to you all again

This is the second time she made a large post about meta reading me that can be tldr'ed in "I think this fits her scum meta"

She keeps using the word 100% to make it look stronger but she fails to explain the connection or the meta and she is filling the entire post with the same sentences like "her town meta is completely distinct from her scum meta" and stuff like that to make it look its more than what it is?! she keeps going back and forth on same points "I'm rusty about her" to distance and then dive back in the same repeated sentence to make it look like she believes it.

I'm going to call this pure act.

from what I remember of mastina she always likes to take control, she might not make full connections to push a direction and skip few steps, drop shallow reads as strong ones and all that. But to go a step further to actually act like there is more to things than what she is saying when its blatant that there isn't? I think its just scum mastina

I would expect to be able to see where she is coming from - and not just about myself if it wasn't she faking her progression on things

[MathBlade]

I don’t follow your question though. So not sure what you want comment on otherwise

Well first off, Prof is dumbtelling about the setup for the second time now and people have explained to him that it’s multiball and considering he’s in a hydra, does tictac not know this either?

Secondly, he is suddenly questioning his read on you yet agreeing with your Mastina sr? Does that not make you wonder at all?

If someone was sheeping my vote but then expressed doubt on my slot, I’d definitely be questioning that.

That is a good point.

I will think on that a bit.

I am also being deliberate in trying *not* to be the focus of attention believe it or not.

The one thing I am pretty sure of is Mastina is scum or she is so far separated from my TRs and my alignment that she’s de facto scum. If a scum from another team wants to help me elim scum from another I am not exactly going to say no.

And fypov it’s impossible for her to be town and wrong?

I already gave a 5% chance for that

I just think that if she is that 5% she’s being completely destructive to that objective

She’s not making me “spew” she’s not doing anything to sort partners she just declared a horrible team and checked out.

She’s just spamming me scum the whole time. It’s not productive at all.

[MathBlade]

In other words if she is in that 5% I would advocate for her policy elim and not lose a bit of sleep over it.

And I rarely ever advocate for policy.

That should tell you just how much I expect town!Mastina to see that.

[Frozen Angel]

and to show you why her logis sounds disconnected and why I think she is just filling it in, in the middle with lots of words check this out:

Lol really?
Like this is ridiculous.

Btw this is a sentence that never comes from MathBlade as town.

Like.

If you know MathBlade as a player.

You KNOW that MathBlade doesn't think this way as town in a way to generate a "lol really? This is ridiculous".

If I had the time/motivation I guarantee you I could deep dive this to show MathBlade doesn't do that post as town. MathBlade as town has an entirely different way of expressing his thoughts. He doesn't think this way as town. When he feels like he is being ignored, when he feels like he is being disrespected, when he feels like he is dealing with a town in the wrong, he can post something like "this is ridiculous". Where there's a frustration in him.

But when he has a scumread as town, he doesn't feel the need to go "lol really". Instead, he just pushes them. He sees them as scum, he pushes them as scum. He doesn't care what the player in question says.

Yet here, he did. The "lol really, this is ridiculous" spews him as scum, because MathBlade as scum

does

respond to the pressure. MathBlade as scum knows that scumreads on him are legitimate. He can believe they come from scum in multiball, sure--but he knows that the suspicion on him is a threat.

I can summarize it this way.
MathBlade as town has conviction--with one player he is allegedly scumreading displaying a scumread on him, he isn't fazed by that.

MathBlade as scum sees threats--with a player scumreading him, he needs to work on neutralizing the threat.

The language used betrays this. He's not seeing me as scum that he needs to push;
He sees me as a threat that he needs to remove.

Thus.
Scum.

Math didn't look fazed there? and he was scumreading you before your read on him so why you think she faked the read on your slot to neutralize a threat when there were none when he actually pushed you?!

you know what

VOTE: Mastina

I think I'm fed with inconsistencies

The event timeline was:
- math joined game
- math pushed mastina
- mastina pushed back at math, called him scummy, said math fazed out and wanted to remove a threat.

she lost her own narrative here. Math didn't start the push on mastina slot after mastinas scum read for math to find it a threat?

-----------


or look at her large post about numbers and "scum slips"

her claim that math scum slipped comes first and then she tries to connect that sentence with whats present instead of solving the game based on whats there and making declarations

math post only says why are you certain there are 6 scum in game. and a completely separate fact repeat that the opening post doesn't say if its a cult game or not

yet mastina is putting these two together to claim math claimed one team is with 1 member to push mastina with it when it never happened?

The observation and math mastina originally had to claim there are 6 scums in game makes no sense on its own regardless. The number of scum is heavily dependant on a factor we don't know and that is power range of scum roles. yet somehow questioning that doesn't fit a town mind set for mastina cause she wanted to claim math scum slipped with numbers

that's how I see things right now

[MathBlade]

And fypov it’s impossible for her to be town and wrong?

nothing is ever impossible. one can claim scum and be town. can't understimate humanity or consider your guesses about them certain and to claim you have it all figured out

but seriously check 737:

Maybe mastina would like to finally confirm for us if she thinks FA is in her scum or town meta?

I already did, repeatedly.

My stance on FA I really don't get why y'all don't understand it, I'm being as clear as I can.

Frozen Angel has a night/day difference between her towngame and scumgame.
This is very damn strongly obvious. Her alignments could not be more distinct.

I

know

the differences IN the meta. I can identify the differences between one meta and the other. Just by her entrance into this game, I could tell FA was playing to her standard play as her alignment.
As in, if this is FA as town it is 100% her towngame;
If this is FA as scum it is 100% her scumgame.

If I have seen her towngame recently, I would instantly be able to tell her alignment in every game--because her play in this game is 100% matching to her meta, just by remembering what her towngame is, I'd be able to tell if it were matching that or matching the opposite.

If I had seen her scumgame recently, would instantly be able to tell her alignment in every game--because her play in this game is 100% matching to her meta, just by remembering what her scumgame is, I'd be able to tell if it were matching that or matching the opposite.

FA's metas are distinct enough that I can instantly tell when she is playing to one of them.

But my memory is rusted enough that it's not 100% on which is which.

I am like 90% sure that this is the scum meta.
But I am 100% sure that she is playing 100% to the typical meta for her current alignment.

If I had seen FA more recently, I'd be able to make the 90% into a 100% and that would make me 100% sure on her 100% playing 100% to that alignment.
But the 90% on a 100% is still pretty damn high.

The only thing that keeps it from being the most lockread of lockread is being rusty on FA gameplay.

Her alignment is transparently obvious if you've played with her recently. It is 100% her Xgame, where X = her alignment this game. If you've seen her play, and if you know about the night/day difference, then you should be able to tell what X equals, and therefore have a 100% guaranteed accuracy on FA.

I just haven't played with her recently--thus, I need to look it up.
When I actually do my research and refresh my memory on which meta is which, I will know FA's alignment 100% because she is 100% playing to her meta for her current alignment and I know the differences between her two metas.


OH I JUST FIGURED OUT A MUCH SIMPLER WAY TO EXPLAIN ALL OF THIS.

Imagine that we're talking about Creature.
Say you know that Creature posts a shitload as one alignment, and hardcore lurks as the other.
You see this trait present in the current game, where he is either posting a shitload, or he is hardcore lurking. Not an in-between. 100% posting a shitload, or 100% hardcore lurking.

You know that this stark contrast is alignment-indicative for Creature.

But you don't remember which is which.
You're

pretty

sure that the hardcore lurking meta is the scum one. So, say this is a game where Creature is hardcore lurking. You are thus

pretty

sure that Creature is scum. You KNOW that he has a night/day difference between the town/scum metas, you can SEE the difference in live time by seeing that he is hardcore lurking and know that hardcore lurking is either the brightest of bright days or the darkest of dark nights in being a huge alignment indicators.
But you're rusty on Creature and can't FOR SURE remember it, in spite of being pretty sure it's the scum meta.


...Does that make sense?

That's my read on FA.
I am

pretty

sure that this meta is FA's scum one. So I am

pretty

sure that FA is scum. I KNOW she has a night/day difference between the town/scum metas, can SEE the difference in live time. But I'm rusty on FA and can't FOR SURE remember it, in spite of being pretty sure it's the scum meta.

sorry for the headache of this post ^ and me showing it to you all again

This is the second time she made a large post about meta reading me that can be tldr'ed in "I think this fits her scum meta"

She keeps using the word 100% to make it look stronger but she fails to explain the connection or the meta and she is filling the entire post with the same sentences like "her town meta is completely distinct from her scum meta" and stuff like that to make it look its more than what it is?! she keeps going back and forth on same points "I'm rusty about her" to distance and then dive back in the same repeated sentence to make it look like she believes it.

I'm going to call this pure act.

from what I remember of mastina she always likes to take control, she might not make full connections to push a direction and skip few steps, drop shallow reads as strong ones and all that. But to go a step further to actually act like there is more to things than what she is saying when its blatant that there isn't? I think its just scum mastina

I would expect to be able to see where she is coming from - and not just about myself if it wasn't she faking her progression on things

+1 much better version of what I said earlier

[Frozen Angel]

@FA, what do you think of Radja's explanation of why they commented on our post, but not other similar posts?

I'm not sure

he said he saw the post but yet didnt catch that they never made a comment about them earlier?

I had a reason when I asked them to analyze those two wagons. I specially wanted to know what they think about Scarecrow progressions and the votes made

but he didnt talk about the second wagon and Scarecrow's vote again and he just said he doesn't understand the votes on prof there

so I've decided to wait a bit and see further posts from radja to see in which direction he will go on his own when he has time and returns to game

[Past Present Future]

That NQNMB game does give me pause. There is an extremely obvious Mastina scumtell in that game, which she also did something similar to it in the game I was referencing. I would link it but it’s on an non-outed alt of mine.

[MathBlade]

Any questions before I go to bed?

I am anticipating a shit show at work tomorrow so I may not be able to post. I will check in the AM then 50/50 if I can post.

[MathBlade]

That NQNMB game does give me pause. There is an extremely obvious Mastina scumtell in that game, which she also did something similar to it in the game I was referencing. I would link it but it’s on an non-outed alt of mine.

I linked the game to make an argument not to out alts.

If it helps you sort Mastina and myself good.

Again my posts are cooking and I know Titus is busy but that post I asked you to show her hopefully will explain a lot if you’re town. Or will at least point her at things she needs to see if she is town.

And if I am dead tomorrow *whelp*

[Past Present Future]

That NQNMB game does give me pause. There is an extremely obvious Mastina scumtell in that game, which she also did something similar to it in the game I was referencing. I would link it but it’s on an non-outed alt of mine.

I linked the game to make an argument not to out alts.

If it helps you sort Mastina and myself good.

Again my posts are cooking and I know Titus is busy but that post I asked you to show her hopefully will explain a lot if you’re town. Or will at least point her at things she needs to see if she is town.

And if I am dead tomorrow *whelp*

No you haven’t, I’m saying if I linked the game I’m referring to it would out my alt. I’ll show it to her but I keep opening the thread expecting to see a post from her and it’s just really frustrating that it hasn’t happened yet. :/

[MathBlade]

That NQNMB game does give me pause. There is an extremely obvious Mastina scumtell in that game, which she also did something similar to it in the game I was referencing. I would link it but it’s on an non-outed alt of mine.

I linked the game to make an argument not to out alts.

If it helps you sort Mastina and myself good.

Again my posts are cooking and I know Titus is busy but that post I asked you to show her hopefully will explain a lot if you’re town. Or I will at least shoot my shot so that I can at least point her at things she needs to see if she is town.

And if I am dead tomorrow *whelp*

No you haven’t, I’m saying if I linked the game I’m referring to it would out my alt. I’ll show it to her but I keep opening the thread expecting to see a post from her and it’s just really frustrating that it hasn’t happened yet. :/

Yeah :/ I TR your head and SR the Titus head obviously one of those premises is false

So I am trying to figure out a way to get Titus engaged with things she loves.

[MathBlade]

That NQNMB game does give me pause. There is an extremely obvious Mastina scumtell in that game, which she also did something similar to it in the game I was referencing. I would link it but it’s on an non-outed alt of mine.

I linked the game to make an argument not to out alts.

If it helps you sort Mastina and myself good.

Again my posts are cooking and I know Titus is busy but that post I asked you to show her hopefully will explain a lot if you’re town. Or I will at least shoot my shot so that I can at least point her at things she needs to see if she is town.

And if I am dead tomorrow *whelp*

No you haven’t, I’m saying if I linked the game I’m referring to it would out my alt. I’ll show it to her but I keep opening the thread expecting to see a post from her and it’s just really frustrating that it hasn’t happened yet. :/

Yeah :/ I TR your head and SR the Titus head obviously one of those premises is false

So I am trying to figure out a way to get Titus engaged with things she loves.

Part of this cut off because mobile

But I am trying to shoot my shot at getting her engaged by posting things she loves

[Past Present Future]

Nancy tells me there's questions for me. I will look at them tomorrow.

However, I am in a hydra this game to help manage activity levels with RL. Nancy is the lead. Nancy has control of our vote.

However from a selective skim I see Math just saying he's right and everyone who disagrees is bad or scum. If there's specific questions, I'll answer tomorrow.

It's almost midnight here.

Also Cookies is my joke with Shiro. If you want to bond, you'll have to accept we're irrational numbers flaws and all.

~Titus

[Frozen Angel]

However from a selective skim I see Math just saying he's right and everyone who disagrees is bad or scum. If there's specific questions, I'll answer tomorrow.

what gave you that impression?

[MathBlade]

Nancy tells me there's questions for me. I will look at them tomorrow.

However, I am in a hydra this game to help manage activity levels with RL. Nancy is the lead. Nancy has control of our vote.

However from a selective skim I see Math just saying he's right and everyone who disagrees is bad or scum. If there's specific questions, I'll answer tomorrow.

It's almost midnight here.

Also Cookies is my joke with Shiro. If you want to bond, you'll have to accept we're irrational numbers flaws and all.

~Titus

I wanna cry at how close you are to seeing something.

Yes cookies is your joke with Shiro.

Like if you’re town you’re like *right there* if you can see the itty bitty pieces of what’s there then look at those posts for the itty bitty pieces and why what Mastina is doing even giving her the benefit of the doubt she is town is so destructive.

I WANT to not have to make any more posts or as little as possible for days.